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11/1/2009  10:28 AM
He's 21 years old now. He'll continue working on his game and improving it. He's got all star written all over him. The only thing he needs to do is stay healthy.
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11/1/2009  10:28 AM
efw wrote:I honestly see him helping broker peace between the Israelis and the Pakistanis. Maybe not this year, but remember, he's only a rookie.

Yeah damn those Pakistanis and their West Bank cities. lol.

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11/1/2009  10:29 AM
McK1 wrote:not for nothing but if you give Steve Novak the green light to shoot 16 3's, you'll get similar results.

Luke Ridnour>>>>>>>>>>>Marbury

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11/1/2009  10:31 AM
firefly wrote:
McK1 wrote:not for nothing but if you give Steve Novak the green light to shoot 16 3's, you'll get similar results.

Luke Ridnour>>>>>>>>>>>Marbury

jennings>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rubio...and neither fact has anything to do with this.

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11/1/2009  10:35 AM
McK1 wrote:
firefly wrote:
McK1 wrote:not for nothing but if you give Steve Novak the green light to shoot 16 3's, you'll get similar results.

Luke Ridnour>>>>>>>>>>>Marbury

jennings>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rubio...and neither fact has anything to do with this.

I disagree with both statements of fact, especially considering your camparison of Jennings to Rubio is akin to comparing Jennings to someone youve never seen play in the NBA, for example, oh Ricky Rubio.

And my correlation to a statement you made a while back is made to show that you have a history of denigrating any Knick player by saying that an obviously vastly more limited player is better then the Knick player because the limited player, in this case Steve Novak, is comparable to the Knick player in one single aspect of their game. You were wrong then, and youre wrong now. Just my opinion of course, and I respect your right to your own.

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11/1/2009  10:45 AM
efw wrote:I honestly see him helping broker peace between the Israelis and the Pakistanis. Maybe not this year, but remember, he's only a rookie.

I think Kiki saw that potential and that was why the Nets were considering him despite the pre-existing back issue.

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11/1/2009  10:46 AM
compare them as talents Marbury was one of the most talented players to enter the league the last 20 years. compare them as floor leaders and teammates and ridnour has trumped Steph since 04.

steve novak is limited moreso by an idiot coach rather than ability. as for compaing him to gallo, novak's percentages and ability to hit 3's in volume (same thing we're praising Gallo for) was on full display last season when dumbleavy had no choice but to play him. if gallo is going to camp out behind the 3 pt line for the majority of his touches than really whats the difference?

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11/1/2009  10:54 AM
Comparing Gallo to Novak is folly in the extreme, unless your looking for extras for White Man Can Jump When 6"10: The Sequel.

3 games into his NBA career, teamsare already keying in on Gallo, hoping or assuming that the 3 is his only weapon. He is already making them pay as evidenced by his drives to the basket. Also, he is far more active on the defensiv end then Novak. Really, the comparison ends at the 3. Novak is a career .413% shooter, Gallo is at .463, .500 for this year so far. Im not really sure why this is even a discussion. Its obvious that Gallinari has more to his game and its that ability, and hence the requirement of opposing defenses to maintain relative honesty regarding his driving threat that is he defference between him and some other tall white guy who gets vertigo when he crosses the 3 point line.

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11/1/2009  11:11 AM
efw wrote:I honestly see him helping broker peace between the Israelis and the Pakistanis. Maybe not this year, but remember, he's only a rookie.

I am going to have to use this in the NYS Global Regents class I teach- might be on the next test.

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11/1/2009  11:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2009  11:12 AM
firefly wrote:Comparing Gallo to Novak is folly in the extreme, unless your looking for extras for White Man Can Jump When 6"10: The Sequel.

3 games into his NBA career, teamsare already keying in on Gallo, hoping or assuming that the 3 is his only weapon. He is already making them pay as evidenced by his drives to the basket. Also, he is far more active on the defensiv end then Novak. Really, the comparison ends at the 3. Novak is a career .413% shooter, Gallo is at .463, .500 for this year so far. Im not really sure why this is even a discussion. Its obvious that Gallinari has more to his game and its that ability, and hence the requirement of opposing defenses to maintain relative honesty regarding his driving threat that is he defference between him and some other tall white guy who gets vertigo when he crosses the 3 point line.

8 free throws, 36 threes (out of 47 total field goal attempts)...minimal peripheral stats...maybe its how D'anphoni is using him but if he isn't hitting 3's, he is having little impact

and i think you have steve novak confused with matt bullard

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11/1/2009  11:14 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
efw wrote:I honestly see him helping broker peace between the Israelis and the Pakistanis. Maybe not this year, but remember, he's only a rookie.

I think Kiki saw that potential and that was why the Nets were considering him despite the pre-existing back issue.


I think you can make a legitimate case that Kiki saw a little bit of himself (Pre-Knicks/bad back Kiki)in Gallo's game.
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11/1/2009  11:31 AM
orangeblobman wrote:i love gallo and want him to succeed very badly, but in the back of my mind i fear for what you're saying. if you pay very close attention and look at his reactions to, for example, a ball at his feet. he has a very stiff motion as he bends down to get it, like someone trying to protect his back or unnaturally control his motion. but, maybe i'm wrong. i really, really hope i am, because this kid has MVP talent.

Easy there cowboy.

He looked like he was figuring it out last night and doing things that are not just role player plays. You don't draft Kyle Korver #6 overall. That's the problem with Gallo if he's only a three point shooter, but he started to do other things last night and that's a good sign. If the dude can get to the line a few times a game by driving on mismatched defenders, then he could consistently score in the 20's on this team and do it efficiently.

As far as him showing this type of diversified offense though... it is.. one game.

Looking forward to seeing another.

Most important thing here is for the Knicks to figure out if he's their go-to player, because they have no idea right now. If he can do this every night, then he is their go to guy and they can build off of that. If we go into every game not knowing what we're going to get from anyone... then we'll be battling for the worst record in the league with no lotto pick and FA's will be scared to sign here.

No pressure Gallo...

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11/1/2009  11:38 AM
It will be nice to see Gallo continue to develop confidence in his game. I d beleive that I would rather have Gallo take 16 3's than have Al, Nate, Duhon and Chandler take 4 each. Chandler should not take another 3 the entire season. Neither should Dudoo or Harrington. AND fast break 3's...OMG... so annoying.
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11/1/2009  11:43 AM
McK1 wrote:
firefly wrote:Comparing Gallo to Novak is folly in the extreme, unless your looking for extras for White Man Can Jump When 6"10: The Sequel.

3 games into his NBA career, teamsare already keying in on Gallo, hoping or assuming that the 3 is his only weapon. He is already making them pay as evidenced by his drives to the basket. Also, he is far more active on the defensiv end then Novak. Really, the comparison ends at the 3. Novak is a career .413% shooter, Gallo is at .463, .500 for this year so far. Im not really sure why this is even a discussion. Its obvious that Gallinari has more to his game and its that ability, and hence the requirement of opposing defenses to maintain relative honesty regarding his driving threat that is he defference between him and some other tall white guy who gets vertigo when he crosses the 3 point line.

8 free throws, 36 threes (out of 47 total field goal attempts)...minimal peripheral stats...maybe its how D'anphoni is using him but if he isn't hitting 3's, he is having little impact

and i think you have steve novak confused with matt bullard

A lot of hate, bro, a lot of hate.

He has been driving to the basket more recently, he is getting about 4-5 rebounds a game, and he has a few blocks and assists. He will get more assists as the handles the ball more. Hardly "minimal peripheral stats." Add to this the fact that he is a pretty dependable defender, who makes mistakes, but rarely shows a lack of effort.

Given the fact that he is still evolving as an NBA player, and is about 2+ years from being at his physical peak, I find it hard to believe that you are attacking his game as if it was a finished product. I don't necessarily expect him to continue playing the way he has in these 3 games, and I know that there will some ups and downs for him this year, but I find it hard to believe that you are being critical of one of the few delightful surprises we have had around here in a long time.

I saw him on the sideline talking to MDA alone on two occasions while he was waiting for play to start. You get the feeling that he is always asking questions about where he should be and how he should play. This kid is intelligent and learning each game he plays, and he is only 3 months past his 21st birthday, and about 30 games into his NBA career.

Stand back from the hate, observe, and gain some perspective, my friend.

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11/1/2009  11:43 AM
We saw this kind of stuff from Gallo's Euro vids and I think it's 100% what this kid is about. Remember that he WAS the go to guy on his teams in Europe!!! He just has to grow into that at this level. This is a confidence booster for him and his teammates to realize the proper pecking order here. He is the star on this team and they need to remember that and make sure to feed him and play off what he can create when the defense shifts his way.

Guys like him are a problem for defenses cuz there's not much you can do about a guy that big and mobile out on the perimeter. Sending help weakens your D and since Gallo has a great BB IQ and can pass it will open up all kinds of things down the line.

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11/1/2009  12:09 PM
Uptown wrote:If Gallo was wearing another uniform, Gallo would be exaulted as the next Dirk and the usual suspects would be killing Walsh for not drafting him. But since he's wearing the blue and orange, he's good but.....its only been three games. He's good but.....when he bends over to tie his shoes, he looks stiff. He's good but........I saw him laying on his stomach on the sideline. To sum it all up; Knicks = dumb management who cant do anything right. Rest of the league = smart and get every good player and diamond on the rough.

Haha so true man. Gotta love it though, New York is New York.

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11/1/2009  12:23 PM
franco12 wrote:this is all great, and I am really excited.

But during the other game (Bobcats), there was a shot of him lying down and they mentioned, I think, how Steve Nash would do the same thing for his back.

Game 2 of his second year, and he is already having to take extra care of his back?

Is it overreacting to be really kinda alarmed by the visual and thought of this???

Gallo did have surgery on his back only a few months back, was it 6? Although minor, it was surgery on the back and I don't think it's unusual for their to be some adjustment period even outside of the normal recovery period. Has his minutes been limited? Back-to-back games? Obvious stiff back when playing? Does he get shut down after large periods of non-activity.

Something to monitor, certainly, and we all hope those NBA chairs for players aren't uncomfortable for big men.

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11/1/2009  12:31 PM
McK1 wrote:
firefly wrote:Comparing Gallo to Novak is folly in the extreme, unless your looking for extras for White Man Can Jump When 6"10: The Sequel.

3 games into his NBA career, teamsare already keying in on Gallo, hoping or assuming that the 3 is his only weapon. He is already making them pay as evidenced by his drives to the basket. Also, he is far more active on the defensiv end then Novak. Really, the comparison ends at the 3. Novak is a career .413% shooter, Gallo is at .463, .500 for this year so far. Im not really sure why this is even a discussion. Its obvious that Gallinari has more to his game and its that ability, and hence the requirement of opposing defenses to maintain relative honesty regarding his driving threat that is he defference between him and some other tall white guy who gets vertigo when he crosses the 3 point line.

8 free throws, 36 threes (out of 47 total field goal attempts)...minimal peripheral stats...maybe its how D'anphoni is using him but if he isn't hitting 3's, he is having little impact

and i think you have steve novak confused with matt bullard

From Hollinger:

2008-09 season: Novak is as extreme a one-trick pony as the league has ever seen, but at least he knows it. Last season, he might have set the unofficial record for fewest dribbles by a non-center in one season. Novak catches and shoots, and if he doesn't have a shot, he moves the ball immediately.

As a result, Novak never turned the ball over. And I mean never. He led the NBA with miscues on only 4.9 percent of the possessions he used, one of several categories in which he was either at the very top or the very bottom of the charts.

Nearly three-quarters of his shots were 3-pointers, the most among power forwards. Conversely, he amassed the second-lowest free throw rate, which is unfortunate since he shot 91.3 percent from the line. He finished dead last among power forwards in blocks per minute and second to last in fouls and rebound rate.

It all worked because he knocked down shots. Novak hit 41.6 percent of his 3s and took them in enough quantity to average 17 points per 40 minutes. Overall, his 60.7 true shooting percentage ranked seventh among power forwards.

Scouting report: Now for the bad news: Novak can't guard anybody. He's too slow to defend the perimeter, but big post players bludgeon him under the basket because of his slim frame. He doesn't rebound or block shots and basically needs to "hide" on defense against a bad offensive player. As a result, his matchups require careful monitoring.

The benefit is that he can launch that gorgeous jumper. At 6-10 he can loft it up over closing defenders and his trigger is quick enough that he doesn't require a lot of clearance. Novak has no off-the-dribble game to speak of and doesn't create shots for others except by spacing the floor with the threat of his jumper, but that one skill is enough to label him a valuable offensive player.

2009-10 outlook: Novak signed the Clippers' qualifying offer for $1.03 million but returns to a murky playing time situation. The additions of Blake Griffin and Craig Smith and the return of Chris Kaman likely spell the end of Novak's time in the playing rotation, although it's possible he can steal some minutes as a small forward behind Al Thornton.

If he doesn't play, he still could return value for L.A. in a trade with a team needing a zone-buster off the bench. Novak's defensive shortcomings are so severe that he isn't suited for full-time duty, but as a back-of-the-rotation player, his deadly jump shot is a fantastic weapon for tactical strikes.

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11/1/2009  1:00 PM
Gallo 'bust'-ing out; Knicks to follow?

12:42 AM By Alan Hahn

Here's how you know Danilo Gallinari gets it.

Asked if he could enjoy his career-high 30-point performance in the furious overtime loss to the 76ers on Saturday, the 21-year-old said no.

"It doesn't mean nothing, we lost," he said. "I don't care how much I score or what I do. I just want to win with this team. My game is not important. We lost. I'm not happy."

A night after Chris Duhon called out his teammates for what he viewed as poor pregame focus before Friday's double-OT loss to the Bobcats, the Knicks had yet another awful first half against the red-hot Sixers. But they mounted another comeback -- again fueled by the shooting of Gallinari along with Al Harrington's determined offense in his new role off the bench -- and showed some more optimistic signs that there is something to work with here.

But unlike last season, when the Knicks seemed to feel good about merely competing in an 0-3 week against the Cavaliers, Lakers and Celtics, complacency wasn't allowed to grow around the post-game locker room of this 0-3 team.

"It's positives and negatives, but I think we need to focus on the negatives to get better," said Harrington, who ran his butt off up and down the floor in this game. "We just have to find a way to play with a sense of urgency. We can't keep giving teams 20-point leads, fighting back and then coming in here feeling good about ourselves. That's not what it's about."

The Sixers were just on fire for much of this game -- Lou Williams hit 10 of 12 from the floor...I mean... -- but the Knick defense was way too soft, especially on the inside, where the Sixers recorded 54 of their 141 points. Mike D'Antoni tried to make defense a focus in training camp and through the preseason, but in three regular season games so far, the same issues from the past are coming back: interior defense.

David Lee struggled in foul trouble once again and is clearly overmatched guarding centers and athletic bigs. Opponents have one simple remark in the scouting report on Lee: go right at him. It hurts the Knicks when he gets into foul trouble because he is so effective in the pick-and-roll. But they also can't afford to have him play a surrender defense (just puts two hands up) so he avoids foul trouble.

Darko Milicic (13:53) didn't bring much to the table tonight in that deparment and neither did Jared Jeffries, who looked rattled by the Garden crowd, which jeered him on three missed field goals.

This is where Jordan Hill is going to need to develop. You watch Marreese Speights (20 points, 10 rebounds, two blocks) and see a player Hill should emulate. The Knicks desperately need someone to emerge as a stopper in the paint.

* * *

Let the Gallinari Gushing begin. You don't hear much talk about the 2008 sixth overall pick being a bust anymore. In fact, if you ask Sixers forward Elton Brand, "he was defnitely worth the pick if you ask me."

Three-point specialist Jason Kapono was impressed, as he told Newsday's Mark Herrmann (a hockey pal who teamed up with me on the coverage tonight): "He can shoot it, man, he's tough."

* * *

Nate Robinson left the game in the fourth quarter with a sprained ankle. He left the Garden on crutches. We'll get an update on Sunday, but if he's going to miss any length of time, it makes Harrington's role as an scorer off the bench that much more important and, of course, it means important minutes for rookie Toney Douglas, who was left on the bench for this one in favor of Larry Hughes who played very well. We'll have more on him in the next blog.

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11/1/2009  1:08 PM
i like how he's playing these first 3 games & love that he's starting games now... the kid definitely has game, u'd have to be blind not to see it... it's funny the people who proclaimed this kid a bust before they'd ever seen him play don't have much to say when he has a good game.
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