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10/31/2009  10:23 AM
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CrushAlot wrote:I totally agree about it being on D'Antoni. I think that the canceling of morning shoot around on game days at home needs to be changed because these guys need to be working to improve constantly. One of the criticisms of D'Antoni coming from Phoenix was that he relied on veterans to police the team, set the tone, control the locker room etc. This team needs the marquee coach to do that. They also need to be held accountable, required to practice hard, and they need him to adjust his system to suit his players. He has been getting a pass for along time. I am sure that if the Knicks sign LeBron he will win 50 plus games. But there probably isn't a coach in the NBA that couldn't do that. He needs to do something now with this team. Training camp just ended. He had the eyes and ears of these guys for along time and they should have come out prepared and playing with passion.

The coach is the boss of the players and the GM is the boss of the coach. There should be a professionalism in place where if something is going wrong--i.e the players are fcking around right before the game and not taking it seriously--that is on the coach and GM for LETTING it get there.
How about you fck around and you get suspended for two games without pay. There is no accountability with the Knicks--Dolan doesnt give a rats arse Donnie Walsh is 68 and Mike D is a carefree player's coach. I think the coach who is making 6mm per should be mortified that Duhon said that.

I agree 100%, we need to start seeing fines and suspensions for poor behavior. A friend of mines brother is the asst. trainer for the Knicks he told me last year that was the main problem all these years, players **** off and no1 is held accountable. They need to enforce fines and suspensions.

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10/31/2009  10:36 AM
http://www.msg.com/knicks/knicks-postgame.html

here is the video of Duhan

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10/31/2009  10:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2009  10:45 AM
Props to Duhon ? For that critical turnover ?

When he plays bad like his usual self you guys want to create a "Doodoo" thread, and now he plays a little better while we still lost and you want to give him props ? I don't care what his opinion is on how lackadaisical this team looked during the lay up drills, apparently he or the team didn't do a damn thing about it. This thread is awful. We give props when we lose.

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10/31/2009  11:15 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Props to Duhon ? For that critical turnover ?

When he plays bad like his usual self you guys want to create a "Doodoo" thread, and now he plays a little better while we still lost and you want to give him props ? I don't care what his opinion is on how lackadaisical this team looked during the lay up drills, apparently he or the team didn't do a damn thing about it. This thread is awful. We give props when we lose.

I don't think anyone should give props. I do think I would be mortified if someone was paying me 6mm per year to keep a professional order and one of my employees spoke out like that.

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10/31/2009  11:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2009  11:37 AM
We have a young team and there is no veteran leadership, of course we are going to be immature. This being said players like nate always clowning around doesnt help, at first it was fun to watch, but as this team continues to lose, its getting old real quick.
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10/31/2009  11:42 AM
There are definitely going to be consequences for Duhon's comments. MDA needs to get this team focused on winning games. Every game needs to be thought of as a war and the players need to be focused on the enemy and the game plan for defeating him. There are just too many bad shots and defensive misques. THis team needs a strong leader badly.
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10/31/2009  11:46 AM
One personm cannot change a culture that has been in place for the last 10 years and D'antoni is the wrong person to try to change it. Certain people are not geared to do certain things and this is one of those situations. Larry Brown couldn't change this with all his antics and criticisms, in fact he got run out the door. If you want this organization to act professional changes gotta happen at the top, we may well blame teh coach or point fingers but that is not going to acheive anything.
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10/31/2009  11:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2009  11:50 AM
loweyecue wrote:One personm cannot change a culture that has been in place for the last 10 years and D'antoni is the wrong person to try to change it. Certain people are not geared to do certain things and this is one of those situations. Larry Brown couldn't change this with all his antics and criticisms, in fact he got run out the door. If you want this organization to act professional changes gotta happen at the top, we may well blame teh coach or point fingers but that is not going to acheive anything.

I think it starts with the players. The guys at the top (Walsh and D'antoni) are OK besides that imbecil of an owner we have. I think we're all upset here because of what the players have done for the past 2 games, and that is nothing.

We don't have anyone on our roster right now that can transform into a leader. I'd like to see Gallo become one but he's years away. Our best chance is this offseason.

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10/31/2009  12:04 PM
I disagree about it starting with the players. I think it starts with management. The players are going to do what they are allowed to do. The team just broke training camp and already they are having problems with preperation, intensity, commitment, and professionalism. This team is not a bunch of bad guys. They might not have the most talent but coming out of training camp they should be a reflection of their coach and what he taught them and prepared them for. This goes on the coach. He is in charge of the players and he has a reputation of being a players coach and relying on his veterans to police the team. That worked when he had the perfect roster and perfect group of character guys in Phoenix. He was given a tremendous opportunity in Phoenix and his non traditional style of offense and running a team worked. That is not the situation in NY and he needs to recognize that and get his team prepared, and adjust his approach to make things work here. Lack of professionalism and preperation is not a roster problem it is a coach problem.
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10/31/2009  1:10 PM
I was not giving Duhan props for his Game, not even close.. he was AWFUL.. One of the worst.

Him and Chandler have regressed, I say start Nate and Gallo at this point...

I was just Giving Duhan props for having the balls to finally address the bull**** that goes on before games with this team

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10/31/2009  1:19 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
loweyecue wrote:One personm cannot change a culture that has been in place for the last 10 years and D'antoni is the wrong person to try to change it. Certain people are not geared to do certain things and this is one of those situations. Larry Brown couldn't change this with all his antics and criticisms, in fact he got run out the door. If you want this organization to act professional changes gotta happen at the top, we may well blame teh coach or point fingers but that is not going to acheive anything.

I think it starts with the players. The guys at the top (Walsh and D'antoni) are OK besides that imbecil of an owner we have. I think we're all upset here because of what the players have done for the past 2 games, and that is nothing.

We don't have anyone on our roster right now that can transform into a leader. I'd like to see Gallo become one but he's years away. Our best chance is this offseason.

I agree with you about Gallinari as a future leader. I also think that Douglas has some potential.

This is a player's league, and ultimately you have to have guys on the floor who are willing to do what the coaching staff wants them to do and have guys on the floor who are willing to push, or pull their teammates in the right direction.

However you also need players who are willing to be led. In a strict sense, a leader is someone who has followers. When I was a organizer back in the days we had two kinds of leaders. We liked, and were always looking for a person in the organization who could be a front person with the public (something Harrington seems to be trying to do), but we loved the person who could make some calls and bring 10+ people with them to a protest meeting. If you don't have people willing to follow you and do what they tell you to do, you can't be a true leader.

I am not sure that we have any players at this point who fit into the second leadership category. Garnett seems to have become the kind of leader we need on this team, but he came to the Celtics with a history of great play and a leadership attitude. Guys like Bird, Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and even Ewing were leaders, and not only because they put up the numbers. Perhaps Duhon is attempting to take some control and responsibility as a leader, but guys have to be willing to follow him, and if the coach likes what he is seeing from him, he has to be willing to minimize the playing time of the guys who are not falling in line.

Ultimately, unless we import a leader type player, you have to hope that Gallo continues to improve and gains acceptance with his teammates so that he can become a floor leader. He is vocal on D, and seems to understand what is going on both ends of the court, and it looks like he is going to be one of our late game go to players as he continues to evolve- all being things which make it easier to be accepted as a leader. He also makes mistakes, but he is surprisingly combative with opponents who seem to have instructions to intimidate him physically. Don't think that teammates are blind to the fact that he is mixing it up with guys who are trying to rough him up and not backing. He is earning his respect in the trenches, and his own players and those on other teams see this.

Douglas has to crack the starting lineup, of course, but he has the kind of intensity and silent confidence that may allow him to emerge as a leader. He also hustles his butt off, and leads by example with his aggressive play. I think he will emerge as a legitimate rotational player at some point in the first 3rd of the season, and be a 10 PPG/ 4 APG/ 2 SPG 20 MPG rotational player by the end of the year. PG's are natural leaders on a team, and I think that Douglas, because of his game and hustle, will eventually rise to a leadership role on this team, hopefully sooner, rather than later.

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10/31/2009  1:28 PM
I'll give him credit when he tries to address this on court rather that in post-game interviews.
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10/31/2009  1:47 PM
He is one guy on a team. There is one guy over the team and that guy, the coach needs to address.
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10/31/2009  2:02 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I disagree about it starting with the players. I think it starts with management. The players are going to do what they are allowed to do. The team just broke training camp and already they are having problems with preperation, intensity, commitment, and professionalism. This team is not a bunch of bad guys. They might not have the most talent but coming out of training camp they should be a reflection of their coach and what he taught them and prepared them for. This goes on the coach. He is in charge of the players and he has a reputation of being a players coach and relying on his veterans to police the team. That worked when he had the perfect roster and perfect group of character guys in Phoenix. He was given a tremendous opportunity in Phoenix and his non traditional style of offense and running a team worked. That is not the situation in NY and he needs to recognize that and get his team prepared, and adjust his approach to make things work here. Lack of professionalism and preperation is not a roster problem it is a coach problem.

It doesn't mean anything any more but that is why I thought we should be obligated to take D Blair with pick 29. He *clearly* showed he was a leader a winner tough as nails played with fierce intensity and was a force type player. It's not just picking Blair as a player but also as a guy who can truly help form a culture. Maybe not as a main franchise player but as a rotational player who demands respect. If you start filling your roster up with guys like Ty Lawson and Blair---you're going to do well.

I like Chris Bosh. I think he shows intelligence a tremendous amount of skill and leadership. Were not getting Wade and LBJ is probably a dream but if I could send a jet plane to toronto a minute after FA starts next year with a max contract--that is the guy I would go for hands down. We need a Chris Bosh and we should look directly at him if LBJ says not right now 10 seconds after midnight.

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10/31/2009  2:08 PM
elite got props from hahn on twitter for being the leader of the "fix the knicks layup line" movement. bout time after hahn dismissed your concerns in the chat a few says ago. now who's got insight? haha. good **** elite.
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10/31/2009  2:25 PM
Until Duhon quit partying all the time he cant be the leader of this team. Bottom line we have a lot of immature players that like to go out and arent professionals.
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10/31/2009  3:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2009  3:05 PM
Guys this is a team full of propspects and scrubs whatever way you look at it. But newbies like Gallo are not going to be able to lead from day 1, they have to establish themselves. Same would have held true for Blair if he was here. It is one thing to have leadership qualities which I believe Gallo has, and another thing to be able to lead a bunch of lazy veterans who have no ineterst in what's going on. Leaders dont evolve overnight they take time, give Gallo some time to see if he can be a leader.

I too want to see TD, Hill and Darko get more time on the floor. Results are not important this season and to be honest I had secretly wished Lee would have gone somewhere else. He is a complete waste of space on defense and takes away minutes from people who need them. And I dont give a rat's ass how many double doubles he gets unless he can be a leader and make us a winning team...which he will NEVER be able to do. Damn we need Rubio on this team and one solid vet like G Hill, how I wish he had taken that offer...:((

I also disagree with whoever said players will do whatever they can get away with, that is total BS. These are NOT college kids they are adults and professionals. When you have a culture where these same losers have been on the team for the last three years and they know they can win 33 games or less and get paid millions for not caring to show up, no coach on earth can motivate them. This is not something you can lay on the coach alone, he gets part of the blame for sue but so do the players, the GM and the owner. Culture change is not easy and it sure as heck doesn't happen over 3 preseason games. So what's with all this sky falling routine? Yes we suck as a basketball team and will continue to suck for the next 80 games, deal with it. We need to make sure we can come out of this with 3-4 good players who have good seasons going into 2010 with confidence.

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10/31/2009  3:18 PM
Duhon sucks and has been playing like he's been drinking way too much again.

The fools are Harrington, Nate, and Jordan Hill...just laughing it up all the time. Hill was constantly filmed laughing like crazy all game long the other night - Clyde brought it up that it was INEXCUSABLE to be doing that.

It's getting ridiculous in a hurry.

Mike D also is coaching like garbage. Toney Douglas and Darko get no burn but Jeffries and Duhon are logging full games. What gives with that?

Also what gives with having Al, Gallo, Darko all capable of posting up - just plain chucking threes all game long?

I really don't like what is going on and that's EXACTLY why I shut that **** off last night. I won't give them long tonight either. It's just not worth it especially with the World Series going on anyway.

These clowns are pissing me off.

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10/31/2009  4:03 PM
duhon can say what he wants but when i went to 2 games lats year, he was dancing to the music and goofing off with nate during layup lines...
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10/31/2009  4:24 PM
MDA is who he is. You give him decent players and he'll get more out of them than expected. On this team it will be harder to do since we clearly don't have enough leadership on the floor. Duhon shouldve stepped at that time and said somehing!!! Pull the team together and get them focused!

You could bash MDA over this but if the team was knocking down shots this wouldn't come up! Losing breeds all kinds of discontent. They just need a win.

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