but jordan hill does not look bad out there. why isn't he playing? he looks decent. play him. at least give him the chance. we had no one, NO ONE, to guard al horford tonight. why not try jordan hill. he's our biggest player, he tries and he can't possibly be worse than jeffries.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:missing jennings is going to hurt for a while.

but jordan hill does not look bad out there. why isn't he playing? he looks decent. play him. at least give him the chance. we had no one, NO ONE, to guard al horford tonight. why not try jordan hill. he's our biggest player, he tries and he can't possibly be worse than jeffries.

That is kind of a mystery. We are 1-8 and have no life. What is the downside of playing Hill? We gave Douglas a chance and he responded--now it is fair time to give Hill a 24-30 minute run for a few games at C and move Lee to Pf. I think we need to try more size in the middle.

we already know hill has a better jumper than jeffries.

d'antoni is horrible.

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:It really sucks that guys like JW, BRIGGS, and myself were screaming about how loaded of a PG class this was and that's exactly what we didn't take. I was high on Flynn, BRIGGS was high on Evans, etc... so apparent to everyone that likes NCAA hoops at all. Turns out the consellation prizes (Lawson/Teague/Jennings) are pretty damn good too--which is what everyone knew.

I'm not sour on Hill, but damnit, it would have been nice to have had Lawson/Teague/Jennings and Douglas tandem.

no offense but what difference does it make that you guys were high on Flynn & Evans, those guys were taken before we had a chance to draft anyone... & i don't remember hearing anyone touting guys like Ty Lawson or Jeff Teague w/our #8 pick... if ur argument is we should have traded down to get more value then that's a different story, but the story still hasn't been told yet on Jordan Hill, i don't see how anyone can possibly say we made a mistake by drafting him.

btw, JW44 wanted Derozan just like i did.

Do you need a hug dude? I wasn't jabbing (honestly I just forgot to mention, you know your stuff, chill--deep breaths), your boy would have been better than Hill (who no one really wanted, just was kind of okay with). My point was all Walsh had to do was select a PG and the team would be better off right now than it is. And everyone was aware the draft was weak overall at every position but point.

I remember chatting with you that ig Jennings was available it was a no-brainer to select him. I remember fighting that battle with you. Was that good enough for you?

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:It really sucks that guys like JW, BRIGGS, and myself were screaming about how loaded of a PG class this was and that's exactly what we didn't take. I was high on Flynn, BRIGGS was high on Evans, etc... so apparent to everyone that likes NCAA hoops at all. Turns out the consellation prizes (Lawson/Teague/Jennings) are pretty damn good too--which is what everyone knew.

I'm not sour on Hill, but damnit, it would have been nice to have had Lawson/Teague/Jennings and Douglas tandem.

no offense but what difference does it make that you guys were high on Flynn & Evans, those guys were taken before we had a chance to draft anyone... & i don't remember hearing anyone touting guys like Ty Lawson or Jeff Teague w/our #8 pick... if ur argument is we should have traded down to get more value then that's a different story, but the story still hasn't been told yet on Jordan Hill, i don't see how anyone can possibly say we made a mistake by drafting him.

btw, JW44 wanted Derozan just like i did.

Do you need a hug dude? I wasn't jabbing (honestly I just forgot to mention, you know your stuff, chill--deep breaths), your boy would have been better than Hill (who no one really wanted, just was kind of okay with). My point was all Walsh had to do was select a PG and the team would be better off right now than it is. And everyone was aware the draft was weak overall at every position but point.

I remember chatting with you that ig Jennings was available it was a no-brainer to select him. I remember fighting that battle with you. Was that good enough for you?

ok, i have no idea where the need a hug sarcasm is coming from or why ur getting ur panties up in a bunch about it like u are, i wasn't looking for props from you w/that response... i was just pointing out that it's pointless to say you wanted guys who were taken before our turn at #8, & noting that JW44 wasn't on the bandwagon to get a PG like u said he was... hey, i wanted Blake Griffin first & foremost & so did BRIGGS & plenty of others around here... matter of fact i seem to remember BRIGGS & some others around here being very high on Hasheem Thabeet & BJ Mullens too... do u see anyone calling them out for being wrong about being high on guys who haven't yet shown much in the NBA? so why is Jordan Hill not afforded the same patience?

again, what difference does that make? we didn't have a chance to draft Evans, Flynn, Rubio or Curry... we got Jordan Hill who Walsh had pegged as the next BPA after he wasn't able to get the guys who he wanted to get... so far it looks like he may have whiffed on Jennings but u can't say he whiffed on taking Hill until you've actually seen him get a fair amount of minutes to show u what he can do... maybe you should give urself a hug dude, seems like u need one.

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm not sour on Hill, but damnit, it would have been nice to have had Lawson/Teague/Jennings and Douglas tandem.

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Do you need a hug dude? I wasn't jabbing (honestly I just forgot to mention, you know your stuff, chill--deep breaths), your boy would have been better than Hill (who no one really wanted, just was kind of okay with). My point was all Walsh had to do was select a PG and the team would be better off right now than it is. And everyone was aware the draft was weak overall at every position but point.

I remember chatting with you that ig Jennings was available it was a no-brainer to select him. I remember fighting that battle with you. Was that good enough for you?

what's wrong with Douglas? Part of what the Knicks need is a guard who stays in front of his man.

I think I've went out of my way in numerous other threads to stick up for Douglas... like here

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm unsure if TD has the passing/court vision to be a quality starting PG in the league. I don't worry about his physical gifts though because I think he has a stellar combination of physical gifts: height/wingspan/speed/strength. I'm more concerned about how all the physical stuff interacts than whether or not you can check wingspan box

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=32873&page=4

My original point was it would have been nice to have all 48 minutes taken care of--especially considering what's going out there now. The Knicks also need two more guards. Douglas looks like he's one. But that's it.

To answer your question, the obvious chink in Douglas' armor is his distribution skills. I know that he's proven that he can distribute. He needs to prove he can do it consistently.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

MS wrote:He whiffed on his pick again. I don't care how good Hill is going to be he isn't a difference making player. He is a background player that gets some hustle points. He is a dime a dozen. He takes two projects with ceilings that aren't that high.

Jennings destroys the nuggs for 32pts 9ass and Donnie best answer is he wasn't familiar with him. We are so ****ed as a franchise it's a joke. You can't watch these guys.

These guys are getting a pass right now. Ariza for the mid-level where was donnie on that, where was he on the nate/jeff deal, where was he on gordon/randolph/lopez, duhon is a joke, roberson was a joke, darko is a joke, and hill??? We should have just resigned Frye if we wanted a soft jump shooter from arizona.

You raelly have to question what he is doing. Douglas can play, but he isn't building a foundation.

+1

Amazing post. Donnie basically blamed Jennings for not going to the EuroBasket camp. Nice one... So our draft prep came down to one day?

Hill is a dime a dozen.

Jennings/Derozan/Holiday in my opinion are special types of players

when a young kid is a no-show to a big event, it should make a GM pause. in fact, like 9 teams paused.