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thejerk
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10/29/2009  8:23 AM
Stephen Curry had a nice little game in his debut. 4 steals, 7 assists, it kind of sucks we couldnt grab him, hopefully Hill works out for us but we may have missed out.
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10/29/2009  8:56 AM
thejerk wrote:Stephen Curry had a nice little game in his debut. 4 steals, 7 assists, it kind of sucks we couldnt grab him, hopefully Hill works out for us but we may have missed out.

definitely man...him and gallo would be rippin' it up right now!

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10/29/2009  9:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2009  9:07 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
thejerk wrote:Stephen Curry had a nice little game in his debut. 4 steals, 7 assists, it kind of sucks we couldnt grab him, hopefully Hill works out for us but we may have missed out.

definitely man...him and gallo would be rippin' it up right now!

Curry started the game off poorly and then helped bring them back.

Let's see Gallo rip it when the Knicks are not down 30. He was -11 mainly because he threw up 3 or 4 bricks in a row in the first half that led to Miami advancing a lead which got out of hand.
Also if we take 40 3s a game we will lose 50 games.

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10/29/2009  9:07 AM
bishop wrote:The best big man in the league doesn't come close to 25 and 15, what did Dwight average last season 20 and 14? Yet you have Blair getting Shaq's rookie numbers all of a sudden.

Numbers tend to level off as playing time increases, players get tired, are less effective, etc.

Blair is good but take it easy with 25 and 15, lets see if he can average a double double over the course of a season first.

It sounds insane to mention 25-15 but from getting sneak peeks at him--all I can say is I am confident that he is ALREADY the best rebounder in the nBA and would grab 15-18 boards per 36 minutes of play--now can he get 20-22 points taking down 15-18 rebounds--he would have a serious chance. He has shown a great ability to put up points with his rebounds in his first 9 games. He has Dennis Rodman rebounding ability--he has that Moses Malone type of offensive rebounding--where he can put up a shot miss and just get that rebound and put it back in+ he's skilled in the post.

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10/29/2009  9:12 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
thejerk wrote:Stephen Curry had a nice little game in his debut. 4 steals, 7 assists, it kind of sucks we couldnt grab him, hopefully Hill works out for us but we may have missed out.

definitely man...him and gallo would be rippin' it up right now!

Curry started the game off poorly and then helped bring them back.

Let's see Gallo rip it when the Knicks are not down 30. He was -11 mainly because he threw up 3 or 4 bricks in a row in the first half that led to Miami advancing a lead which got out of hand.
Also if we take 40 3s a game we will lose 50 games.

gallo had a rough start and they did get cold when the second unit came in, but gallo had confidence and got his shot back. he played much better than al. nate didn't really do much coming off the bench when we needed his spark.

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10/29/2009  9:17 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
thejerk wrote:Stephen Curry had a nice little game in his debut. 4 steals, 7 assists, it kind of sucks we couldnt grab him, hopefully Hill works out for us but we may have missed out.

definitely man...him and gallo would be rippin' it up right now!

Curry started the game off poorly and then helped bring them back.

Let's see Gallo rip it when the Knicks are not down 30. He was -11 mainly because he threw up 3 or 4 bricks in a row in the first half that led to Miami advancing a lead which got out of hand.
Also if we take 40 3s a game we will lose 50 games.

gallo had a rough start and they did get cold when the second unit came in, but gallo had confidence and got his shot back. he played much better than al. nate didn't really do much coming off the bench when we needed his spark.

It's good that he hit some shots but how much does it count down 30? It's good especially since he shot less than 20% in the exhibition season and started off with three bricks. So we take the good from it but we remember that he's got to help do that when the game counts.

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10/29/2009  10:06 AM
Funny how even this thread eventually landed on Gallo even though we have a Knick game thread already....

Anyone think that Hill could be a good player one day?

His game doesnt look anywhere near NBA right now, that fadeaway at the end of the game didnt look right, did we pick a bench player? I know its early but considering we dont have a number one next year, we really needed to nail this pick and I not so sure about that right now.

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10/29/2009  10:28 AM
thejerk wrote:Funny how even this thread eventually landed on Gallo even though we have a Knick game thread already....

Anyone think that Hill could be a good player one day?

His game doesnt look anywhere near NBA right now, that fadeaway at the end of the game didnt look right, did we pick a bench player? I know its early but considering we dont have a number one next year, we really needed to nail this pick and I not so sure about that right now.

if hill doesn't look like even a rotational player come december, either he's not that good or d'antoni is not good at developing guys. not talking about 35 mins, just talking about 10-15 mins to show he can play in the league and not look lost.

i'll tell you this much, derozan looked calm, poised and collected last night - looked like he belonged in the league. if a guy can't even do that after 6-8 weeks in the nba, then there might be problems.

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10/29/2009  10:53 AM
thejerk wrote:Funny how even this thread eventually landed on Gallo even though we have a Knick game thread already....

Anyone think that Hill could be a good player one day?

His game doesnt look anywhere near NBA right now, that fadeaway at the end of the game didnt look right, did we pick a bench player? I know its early but considering we dont have a number one next year, we really needed to nail this pick and I not so sure about that right now.

How can it not come back to the Knicks:)

My God was that a concerning game. We played Miami very very well last year--we could've won all 3 games. Last night we were absolutely pounded into submission looked lost on defense and took 40 3's.Is that good coaching? It's one game but you won't see a good team get mauled like that. So I can walk away from that game realizing quickly that this team is going no where. We can say 1 game--but let me in on a time when a good team is down 35 points mid way through the third period against a very average team on opening night.

I guess the team that looked the worst so far is Charlotte--so perhaps we can get a better gauge over the next two games. If we are going to win more than 35 games--have to beat Charlotte.

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10/29/2009  11:48 AM
djsunyc wrote:
thejerk wrote:Funny how even this thread eventually landed on Gallo even though we have a Knick game thread already....

Anyone think that Hill could be a good player one day?

His game doesnt look anywhere near NBA right now, that fadeaway at the end of the game didnt look right, did we pick a bench player? I know its early but considering we dont have a number one next year, we really needed to nail this pick and I not so sure about that right now.

if hill doesn't look like even a rotational player come december, either he's not that good or d'antoni is not good at developing guys. not talking about 35 mins, just talking about 10-15 mins to show he can play in the league and not look lost.

i'll tell you this much, derozan looked calm, poised and collected last night - looked like he belonged in the league. if a guy can't even do that after 6-8 weeks in the nba, then there might be problems.

No disrespect on the players we do have, but Lopez and DeMar would look good for the knicks right now.

I think if Lee keeps putting up numbers we might be able to trade him to a contender and get something from him or at least use him to dump Curry.

Isiah ruined us by giving up all these picks, and now he is getting into it with Magic, after he overdosed on meds, Zeke is retarded imo and Dolan is a bigger retard for hiring him.

Any chance Dolan sells this team already, he is the Daniel Snyder of the NBA, they both have no clue what they are doing. Hopefully Walsh can keep him in the background but he is a problem regardless.

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10/29/2009  12:13 PM
Ty Lawson with 17 & 6 in his NBA debut.
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10/29/2009  12:26 PM
I don't know about 25/15 but I'm with BRIGGS that Dejuan Blair is serious NBA player. NBA GMs outsmart themselves all the time. This kid blair was one of the top 5 players in the country. The only player who had a pro body like him is Blake Griffin.

Go use the search feature. I said I would pick him number 8 and all of you guys, especially NYK4ever told me I was crazy. Blair is legit. Hill is not as good talent as Blair let alone as good a basketball player.

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10/29/2009  1:04 PM
oohah wrote:I don't know about 25/15 but I'm with BRIGGS that Dejuan Blair is serious NBA player. NBA GMs outsmart themselves all the time. This kid blair was one of the top 5 players in the country. The only player who had a pro body like him is Blake Griffin.

Go use the search feature. I said I would pick him number 8 and all of you guys, especially NYK4ever told me I was crazy. Blair is legit. Hill is not as good talent as Blair let alone as good a basketball player.

oohah

No need to take him at 8 if you can get him at 29...Knicks had a real chance to improve themselves a lot by grabbing a point guard at 8...Jennings/Teague/Lawson. And grabbing Blair late.

If Hill was a must have, then yeah I'm with Donnie. But duke isnt anywhere close to being an NBA ballplayer. I'm still racking my brain trying to figure out what exactly Donnie saw in him.

Seems like Donnie bitched up and went safe.

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10/29/2009  1:07 PM
sebstar wrote:
No need to take him at 8 if you can get him at 29...Knicks had a real chance to improve themselves a lot by grabbing a point guard at 8...Jennings/Teague/Lawson. And grabbing Blair late.

If Hill was a must have, then yeah I'm with Donnie. But duke isnt anywhere close to being an NBA ballplayer. I'm still racking my brain trying to figure out what exactly Donnie saw in him.

Seems like Donnie bitched up and went safe.

I was shocked that Blair did not get taken by #15, so I would have grabbed him early, but yes, Jennings would have been a good pick at #8 too. Again, GMs outsmarting themselves.

I don't think of Hill as a safe pick at all. Terrence Williams is safe. Toney Douglas is safe. Hill is a project and he doesn't have unbelievable talent at the NBA level to justify taking such an unpolished player. I don't think that makes for a safe pick.

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10/29/2009  1:09 PM
Safe only in regards to the fact that Hill was a projected lottery pick, so Donnie wasnt going to get killed.

But yeah, his talent damn sure wasnt safe. Duke sucks.

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10/29/2009  1:12 PM
oohah wrote:I don't know about 25/15 but I'm with BRIGGS that Dejuan Blair is serious NBA player. NBA GMs outsmart themselves all the time. This kid blair was one of the top 5 players in the country. The only player who had a pro body like him is Blake Griffin.

Go use the search feature. I said I would pick him number 8 and all of you guys, especially NYK4ever told me I was crazy. Blair is legit. Hill is not as good talent as Blair let alone as good a basketball player.

oohah

two knee operations on a guy who carries a lot of weight
He's 6'6
His production is hard to evaluate because he's playing with all stars.

If your a playoff team looking for a good bench player that can come in and help you right away than Blair is a no brainer. If you looking for a rotation guy for years to come than Blair is a bad bet. Malik Rose looked good on that team. I think he was like 12/9 over a 10 game playoff run before he got that big contract.

All that aside make me a list of
6'6 power forwards in the NBA

I like him too.. I just cant fault Knick management or anyone else for passing on him

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10/29/2009  1:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2009  1:38 PM
fishmike wrote:two knee operations on a guy who carries a lot of weight
He's 6'6
His production is hard to evaluate because he's playing with all stars.

If your a playoff team looking for a good bench player that can come in and help you right away than Blair is a no brainer. If you looking for a rotation guy for years to come than Blair is a bad bet. Malik Rose looked good on that team. I think he was like 12/9 over a 10 game playoff run before he got that big contract.

All that aside make me a list of
6'6 power forwards in the NBA

I like him too.. I just cant fault Knick management or anyone else for passing on him

Blair never missed a game or practice at Pitt...yes, the knee injuries are concerning, so were Danny Granger's knee troubles. Sweetney wasn't nearly as good and he had weight problems. Other players like LJ and Lionel Simmons had careers that were injury-marred - lots of players have their careers shortened by injury. Like I implied above, I'll take a short good career over a short crappy career.

And forget the 6'6 thing. If you are that good you're that good. But here are some similar sized current and historical PF's for you that have had reasonable to great success: Blake Griffin, Big Baby, Paul Millsapp, Chuck Hayes, Larry Johnson, Barkley. If I give it some thought we'll come up with a lot more similar-sized PF's who have had good careers. It ain't all about height. If you have the muscle and the game, you can make it happen at PF.

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10/29/2009  1:37 PM
Speaking of injuries, Blair is playing and Iron-Man Blake Griffin is already on his 3rd injury since being drafted. Predicting injuries is not really a good way to draft.

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10/29/2009  1:42 PM
oohah wrote:Speaking of injuries, Blair is playing and Iron-Man Blake Griffin is already on his 3rd injury since being drafted. Predicting injuries is not really a good way to draft.

oohah

whenever you have Blake Griffin and injury in the same sentence, you should add BUST.

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10/29/2009  1:43 PM
Milsap, Griffin.. all those guys are 6-8 or taller. Blair measured 6'5 out of shoes and 277 pounds. Throw in the knee surguries and I would call that more than a "concern."

The guy is a beast. Thats not up for debate. I watched him totally dismantle Thabeet. I thought he was going to pull Thabeet's arm out right off his body like that Hanz and Franz skit.

Your just talking about such a short shelf life.

Granger was a great and dynamic player and would have been a top 8 pick if he wasnt coming off an injury.

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