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JrZyHuStLa
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10/22/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Walsh's problem has been the trades he hasn't made. Not dealing Nate and Jeffries looks stupid as hell right now, and even worse was not dealing Chandler and Jeffries for what would have been Curry/Rubio.

Maybe so, but its always better to not do anything than to take a ****, pick up a piece and see if it sticks against the wall.
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10/22/2009  12:21 PM
the only problem walsh has had is not enough assets to get deals done. i just don't believe washington was clamoring for a wilson chandler package for the 5 pick. im sure walsh tried to get that done and washington took the better offer from minnesota. mike miller makes so much more sense for washington than wilson does.

to me, complaining about the draft is meaningless. once we lost out on stephen curry there was no one else who was overwhelmingly a good fit. walsh did right to select BPA. you may disagree about BPA, but we won't know for a few years whether you're right. toney douglas seems like an inspired pick, at least.

really, once we lost out on stephen curry the draft was not going to help us this year. i hate don nelson - look at GSW's backcourt - monte ellis, stephen jackson, stephen curry, speedy claxon, acie law, cj watson, anthony morrow. that's ridiculous! i hate nellie.

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10/22/2009  12:24 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
The difference between Hill being a project on the Knicks and Holiday being a project on the Sixers is that the Sixers are a playoff team and we aren't.
Says who? They were .500 last year and lost the guy that made everything they do work. Their PG play makes ours look good. If you want to look at playoff teams that have a really good shot of not going back I would say Phili is candidate #1

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10/22/2009  12:27 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
The difference between Hill being a project on the Knicks and Holiday being a project on the Sixers is that the Sixers are a playoff team and we aren't.
Says who? They were .500 last year and lost the guy that made everything they do work. Their PG play makes ours look good. If you want to look at playoff teams that have a really good shot of not going back I would say Phili is candidate #1

true, but washington and detroit missed the playoffs last year and have a pretty good shot to go back.

i don't know if miami can have wade will them to the playoffs again, but we'll see. i could see wade breaking down and deciding to rest heading into his free agency.
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10/22/2009  2:13 PM
Walsh inherited a mess. He is done magic with the contracts so far. If he rids the NY of Curry and Jefferies before next year, he should be knighted.

As for his drafting. The jury is still out because Gallinari has been hurt. If he has a decent rookie year this year and show more potential, then last year will be a good draft for DW. TD looks impressive so far and Hill, well, I think with most picks you need to give it 3 years. Look at Frye, we all thought he as good his first year....then?
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10/22/2009  3:06 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford are not and will never be top 10 scorers. Furthermore, Zach has proven his numbers are worthless. Walsh's trades are not overrated. The fact is he created a plan and stuck to his plan through everything. He went about to making his plan reality by making those trades. Whether you like the plan/his moves or not is a different story but saying that what he did is overrated is false. It's not overrated to actually have a plan (as opposed to Isiah) and going about it the way you want it to. And really, what's so bad about cap space? I still see complaints but nobody telling me why it would be better to lose while capped out instead of losing with some cap space.

What? Zach and Jamal were top ten scorers when they were traded. That's a fact.

Zach and Craw's numbers might be meaningless, that's not an argument that I'm making. However, they've both been traded since after performing worse for the Clips and Warriors respectively.

Is it a miracle if other GM's pulled off the same thing with worse circumstances? I would say no.

Walsh was not able to turn our expiring deals a year ago into value, or Lee or Nate. We can't trade them now, so they're really just here to sell tickets.

Walsh isn't going anywhere. If he has some under the table deal to bring in LeBron then these picks and moves make more sense.

The problem with this plan is that if LeBron doesn't come, then there really isn't a player out there that's going to make us a championship contender, and we'll be under pressure to give out max $ to someone.

If the end game is that we're a 45 win team in 2010, then will we be saying that throwing away two years was worth it? That's pretty rough to me.

We're soon going to have to pay Chandler or let him go, and then we'll be dependent on Walsh's picks to supplement whatever FA's he gets. Those picks had better start coming through, or its going to be rough to contend for a championship no matter who is brought in here. Its not like we can sign 5 Max FA's. At some point Walsh has to hit on one of these picks.
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10/22/2009  4:02 PM
One pre season game means sht--you have to evaluate guys over years. Of course hot headed fans like myself who have 10 years of dissapointment can be fast on the trigger given what we haev gone through. That being said we missed out on Blair who I think is the new Elton Brand and couldve chnaged us. Heck if we really liked TD that much--we shouldve done what Houston did---buy that 32 pick and got both players. I dont see how you let a guy like Blair go with who our team is made up. forget the style of play--every team has a leader and a tough guy--if you look at the Celtics--you would think a great counter would be a D Blair.
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10/22/2009  4:13 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

One pre season game means sht--you have to evaluate guys over years. Of course hot headed fans like myself who have 10 years of dissapointment can be fast on the trigger given what we haev gone through. That being said we missed out on Blair who I think is the new Elton Brand and couldve chnaged us. Heck if we really liked TD that much--we shouldve done what Houston did---buy that 32 pick and got both players. I dont see how you let a guy like Blair go with who our team is made up. forget the style of play--every team has a leader and a tough guy--if you look at the Celtics--you would think a great counter would be a D Blair.

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10/23/2009  3:34 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by GKFv2:

Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford are not and will never be top 10 scorers. Furthermore, Zach has proven his numbers are worthless. Walsh's trades are not overrated. The fact is he created a plan and stuck to his plan through everything. He went about to making his plan reality by making those trades. Whether you like the plan/his moves or not is a different story but saying that what he did is overrated is false. It's not overrated to actually have a plan (as opposed to Isiah) and going about it the way you want it to. And really, what's so bad about cap space? I still see complaints but nobody telling me why it would be better to lose while capped out instead of losing with some cap space.

What? Zach and Jamal were top ten scorers when they were traded. That's a fact.

Zach and Craw's numbers might be meaningless, that's not an argument that I'm making. However, they've both been traded since after performing worse for the Clips and Warriors respectively.

Is it a miracle if other GM's pulled off the same thing with worse circumstances? I would say no.

Walsh was not able to turn our expiring deals a year ago into value, or Lee or Nate. We can't trade them now, so they're really just here to sell tickets.

Walsh isn't going anywhere. If he has some under the table deal to bring in LeBron then these picks and moves make more sense.

The problem with this plan is that if LeBron doesn't come, then there really isn't a player out there that's going to make us a championship contender, and we'll be under pressure to give out max $ to someone.

If the end game is that we're a 45 win team in 2010, then will we be saying that throwing away two years was worth it? That's pretty rough to me.

We're soon going to have to pay Chandler or let him go, and then we'll be dependent on Walsh's picks to supplement whatever FA's he gets. Those picks had better start coming through, or its going to be rough to contend for a championship no matter who is brought in here. Its not like we can sign 5 Max FA's. At some point Walsh has to hit on one of these picks.

What I don't understand is what is the panic for? Would we be better off with Zach and Crawford leading the way to the future? no. Would we have gotten anything of value for them? No. So in the end, we're doing what we're doing the cap space. If we sign someone, great. If we don't, well, we wouldn't be any better off with the alternative (aka capped out with crap players). So I'll take this option presented to me.
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