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JohnWallace44
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10/18/2009  9:56 PM
Redcru, give me a break. Seriously that is the most insane post I've seen.

Kobe came straight from highschool.

Dirk was a rail thin experiment.

Folks can say relax all they want, but all we've seen so far is that we'd have been better off throwing darts in the last few drafts than to follow Walsh.

Go ahead and try it. Put up the next ten picks after we selected in the last two drafts on a board and toss darts. What do you come up with? I guarantee you better results than Walsh has come up with.
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10/18/2009  10:46 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Redcru, give me a break. Seriously that is the most insane post I've seen.

Kobe came straight from highschool.

Dirk was a rail thin experiment.

Folks can say relax all they want, but all we've seen so far is that we'd have been better off throwing darts in the last few drafts than to follow Walsh.

Go ahead and try it. Put up the next ten picks after we selected in the last two drafts on a board and toss darts. What do you come up with? I guarantee you better results than Walsh has come up with.

What is your proof of this exactly? How can an real solid position be taken regarding a kid who is only 21 and has 28 games under his belt, all of which played with a back that needed surgery. I just don't get the point of trying to make it seem like we know what the final product is gonna be. He could be a bust, just ok, pretty good or great, but we can't possibly know which at this point. Just as other players seem like they're showing greatness already, but that could be a mirage too. Some guys start off like they're gonna take off, but never get any better or just don't seem to be difference makers in terms of wins or losses. What i've seen of Gallo is that when he plays well, we win or at least play well.
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10/18/2009  11:17 PM
Two other things that really concern me about the Gallo pick. One was that everyone knew the Knicks were picking him. The other was that Kiki said that there were known issues with his back before the draft. No one has ever come out and refuted Kiki's statement.
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10/18/2009  11:26 PM
King - is Dirk that much faster than Gallo? I mean, there are plenty of big men that are mobile that aren't quick like a guard. Yet they are effective.
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10/18/2009  11:27 PM
7 L.A. Clippers Eric Gordon - SG
8 Milwaukee Joe Alexander - SF
9 Charlotte D.J. Augustin - PG
10 New Jersey Brook Lopez - C
11 Indiana
traded to Portland Jerryd Bayless - PG
12 Sacramento Jason Thompson - PF
13 Portland
traded to Indiana Brandon Rush - SG
14 Golden State Anthony Randolph - PF
15 Phoenix
from Atlanta Robin Lopez - C
16 Philadelphia Marreese Speights - C
17 Toronto
Roy Hibbert - C
18 Washington JaVale McGee - PF
19 Cleveland J.J. Hickson - PF
20 Charlotte
from Denver Alexis Ajinca - PF
21 New Jersey
from Dallas Ryan Anderson - PF
22 Orlando Courtney Lee - SG
23 Utah Kosta Koufos - C
24 Seattle
from Phoenix Serge Ibaka - PF
25 Houston Nicolas Batum - SF
26 San Antonio George Hill - PG
27 New Orleans Darrell Arthur - PF
28 Memphis
from L.A. Lakers Donte Greene - SF
29 Detroit D.J. White - PF
30 Boston J. R. Giddens - SG
That is the rest of the first round. There are twelve guys there that I think will be as good or better than Gallo. There are eight guys on that list that I would trade Gallo for straight up without a second thought. I don't know about throwing darts but the Knicks had a tremendous opportunity to get a talented player for the next ten years. I hope Gallo is that guy but I will be pleasantly surprised if he lives up to his draft status.
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10/18/2009  11:36 PM
all i know is that there were 4 other prospects that were widely being talked about around here if we stayed at #6... those guys were Bayless, Gordon, Lopez & Randolph... so far 3 of those guys have shown more in their rookie seasons than Gallo has, but those guys didn't have back issues all of last season either... Bayless who was probably the most popular choice around here around draft night has done nothing whatsoever so far in his rookie season... doesn't mean he's gonna be a bust any more than it means that Gallo will be one either... let these kids get more games under their belt before casting final judgements on how good they'll turn out to be... plenty of very good NBA players have had slow starts to their NBA careers numbers wise & they turned out just fine... they can't all come in & dominate like Lebron James.
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10/19/2009  2:35 AM
So basically those who are down Gallo are just gonna ignore the back injury and surgery! I don't get it! Most of the other draftees had no excuse for poor performance and every opportunity to shine. Gallo can't help having his rookie yr marred by injury and his surgery set his development and conditioning back. It seems simple to me.
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10/19/2009  7:20 AM
I watched the replay of the game last night...I must admit I got a little nervous watching Gallo on the defensive end. He made the kid from MSU look like Jordan. Not in panic mode;but, it was concerning.
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10/19/2009  9:09 AM
If he is playing tentatively, not driving to the basket, and seemingly out of shape by the end of the season, I will be worried. The fact that he is not shooting that well at this point indicates that he is not all the way back from his surgery, because that is the one thing we all know he can do as well as anyone.

His defense has actually been the best part of his game during the pre-season, IMO. He has a great deal of awareness for a young player, but lets face it, he was not drafted to be a defensive stopper, or for that matter, simply a jump shooter.

I think that when he fills out (at least +15 lbs., he is going to end up at the PF position, by the way. He is just too long for the 3.

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10/19/2009  9:16 AM
Bring back Lampe
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10/19/2009  9:34 AM
I don't think anything is wrong with Gallo's play. I think the game is still a little too fast for him now and he should catch up to it at some point. His shot will come in time. He is not the most athletic guy out there by far and I don't look for him to become more athletic as he grows older. It doesn't work like that.

I see Gallo putting on more weight but that may make him a true PF and will dash the hopes of many on this board (I'm not one of them) who long to see him play SF and SG. The true wild card in the whole Gallo saga is if his back is going to be a problem or not. Only time will tell.

Saying all of that, the only problem I do have with the whole Gallo situation is where we drafted him in the first place. If he were not drafted as high as he was, all of this would not be an issue. We could bring him along like any other project. Unfortunately, we are left with a 1st round project pick which to me makes no sense at all.

He has a lot to overcome and I hope he does become what so many on this board let their hopes lead them to believe he is.


[Edited by - Martice on 10-19-2009 09:35 AM]
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10/19/2009  9:37 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Bring back Lampe

I'm surprised there isn't a thread yet about Lampe - toying with starting one myself.

I would have loved to have brought him in, but with Milicic, I guess less of a reason to.

Still, I have a soft spot for him, partly because we drafted him, partly because he's Polish.
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10/19/2009  9:38 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by misterearl:

Bring back Lampe

I'm surprised there isn't a thread yet about Lampe - toying with starting one myself.

I would have loved to have brought him in, but with Milicic, I guess less of a reason to.

Still, I have a soft spot for him, partly because we drafted him, partly because he's Polish.

i used to own with lampe in nba live
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10/19/2009  9:50 AM
I think anyone who isn't worried about Gallo and the ability of Walsh to draft difference makers is really in denial.

You have to ask yourself will Gallo every be the player that we drafted, how injury prone will he be, and when are we going to see something that leads you to believe that he isn't just a Dennis Scott, Jason Kapono, etc.

I like Hedo, but if we are hoping this guy turns into Hedo he doesn't really have a high ceiling. When you have three possible All-Stars drafted right behind him it's time to hold Walsh accountable.

It is still early and he has plenty of time to turn it around, but he looks like a scrub right now. Anyone who says otherwise just isn't watching the games.
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10/19/2009  10:02 AM
Posted by MS:

I think anyone who isn't worried about Gallo and the ability of Walsh to draft difference makers is really in denial.

You have to ask yourself will Gallo every be the player that we drafted, how injury prone will he be, and when are we going to see something that leads you to believe that he isn't just a Dennis Scott, Jason Kapono, etc.

I like Hedo, but if we are hoping this guy turns into Hedo he doesn't really have a high ceiling. When you have three possible All-Stars drafted right behind him it's time to hold Walsh accountable.

It is still early and he has plenty of time to turn it around, but he looks like a scrub right now. Anyone who says otherwise just isn't watching the games.
good basketball people dont micro analyze their prospects minute by minute like people on this board do. Gallo has a skill set. How he's able to translate into winning games will take time and coaching to realize.
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10/19/2009  10:04 AM
you guys are going a little overboard here. upset gallo hasn't dominated in his first pre-season games?
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10/19/2009  10:05 AM
Posted by MS:
I think anyone who isn't worried about Gallo and the ability of Walsh to draft difference makers is really in denial.
whats the sample time we are talking about here? It is becoming more and more obvious that Gallo isnt going to just come in an give you 15/7/4 and be that high impact guy right out of the box. There is some kind of learning curve here. How big? I dont know

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10/19/2009  10:08 AM
Wait so nothing he did while injured last year counts? We've seen Gallo play a bit better. I don't know what the exact deal is but I think it's prudent to allow some reasonable time to see what he does. My impression is that he's a guy that doesn't like to admit when something is wrong. It took him a long time to admit his legs were weak tho we could all see it. I hope he's not hiding anything else. I think he's a no excuse type of guy and doesn't want to be seen as crying about discomfort or using anything as an excuse for poor performance.

TIME is the operative word. If he really just started being cleared to go at it in September that is not a lot of time to try and get in NBA shape after months of inactivity.
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10/19/2009  10:13 AM
Posted by Bippity01:
Posted by MS:

I think anyone who isn't worried about Gallo and the ability of Walsh to draft difference makers is really in denial.

You have to ask yourself will Gallo every be the player that we drafted, how injury prone will he be, and when are we going to see something that leads you to believe that he isn't just a Dennis Scott, Jason Kapono, etc.

I like Hedo, but if we are hoping this guy turns into Hedo he doesn't really have a high ceiling. When you have three possible All-Stars drafted right behind him it's time to hold Walsh accountable.

It is still early and he has plenty of time to turn it around, but he looks like a scrub right now. Anyone who says otherwise just isn't watching the games.
good basketball people dont micro analyze their prospects minute by minute like people on this board do. Gallo has a skill set. How he's able to translate into winning games will take time and coaching to realize.

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10/19/2009  10:22 AM
Posted by MS:

I think anyone who isn't worried about Gallo and the ability of Walsh to draft difference makers is really in denial.

You have to ask yourself will Gallo every be the player that we drafted, how injury prone will he be, and when are we going to see something that leads you to believe that he isn't just a Dennis Scott, Jason Kapono, etc.

I like Hedo, but if we are hoping this guy turns into Hedo he doesn't really have a high ceiling. When you have three possible All-Stars drafted right behind him it's time to hold Walsh accountable.

It is still early and he has plenty of time to turn it around, but he looks like a scrub right now. Anyone who says otherwise just isn't watching the games.

YESTERDAY I saw him drive left, take off and attempt a dunk going left,only to be fouled. otherwise he has a nice highligt move there... that is something dennis scott or kopono would never attempt or were not good enough to pull off.... especially kopono.. so I don't see any similarities there. Also I saw him get two clean blocks yesterday, I never saw dennis scott block a shot, and never saw Kopono in the lane...
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