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10/14/2009  10:58 PM
^ mda was outcoached. sixers had no answer to the knicks length, and it showed on defense. instead of mda bringing the knicks inside the three point line and taking advantage on offense. mda handed the sixers an easy brick win-- sixers grabbed and ran the knicks bricks back for an easy two.
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10/14/2009  11:02 PM
I have to disagree about MDA. He knows offense and gimmicky basketball. It has been done before and it doesn't work. He needs to get a guy with a strong personality who also is a defense first coach to balance his outscore the opponent philosophy.
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10/14/2009  11:10 PM
Posted by coolbeans:

^ mda was outcoached. sixers had no answer to the knicks length, and it showed on defense. instead of mda bringing the knicks inside the three point line and taking advantage on offense. mda handed the sixers an easy brick win-- sixers grabbed and ran the knicks bricks back for an easy two.

You don't know what MDA was doing with his team. To suggest that he doesn't know what he's doing is ridiculous! Go read his Bio and see what this man has done in his career and then think again. We're freakin fortunate to have a coach of his caliber with the embarrassment of Dolan's running of the franchise into the ground. This is not indicative of what MDA's teams usually do. The players are failing to play up to their potential at this point. He didn't just now forget everything he knows about coaching. He's not on the floor failing to execute the plays.

If you know anything about MDA's system he doesn't call out every play like JVG or other old style coaches. He teaches players to think the game for themselves and either you learn to do that on a high level and win, or you don't. This is a process!
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10/14/2009  11:22 PM
Actually quite a bit was written about MDA and his system and it was well documented that he did not appear to be a good fit with the roster but came for the money and the fact that Donnie Walsh was not making demands for him to coach defense. He plays a gimmicky style and with the right roster it was successful to a point. His teaching involved short practices, expecting guys to play like professionals on defense, and relying on his point guard to lead the team on and off the court when he was in Phoenix. If you like D'Antoni be glad that the Knicks had an owner that was willing to outbid and a gm who was willing to accept him without the demands to coach defense that caused him to leave Phoenix and not take the Bulls job.
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10/14/2009  11:33 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by coolbeans:

^ mda was outcoached. sixers had no answer to the knicks length, and it showed on defense. instead of mda bringing the knicks inside the three point line and taking advantage on offense. mda handed the sixers an easy brick win-- sixers grabbed and ran the knicks bricks back for an easy two.

You don't know what MDA was doing with his team. To suggest that he doesn't know what he's doing is ridiculous! Go read his Bio and see what this man has done in his career and then think again. We're freakin fortunate to have a coach of his caliber with the embarrassment of Dolan's running of the franchise into the ground. This is not indicative of what MDA's teams usually do. The players are failing to play up to their potential at this point. He didn't just now forget everything he knows about coaching. He's not on the floor failing to execute the plays.

If you know anything about MDA's system he doesn't call out every play like JVG or other old style coaches. He teaches players to think the game for themselves and either you learn to do that on a high level and win, or you don't. This is a process!

i'm a d'antoni fan - i want that guy coaching the raptors - but like many coaches - he needs to prove himself at another spot to show he wasn't just the right guy at the right place at the right time.

riley had a HOF starting 5 in la - but he was proven as great after his stops in ny and miami.
larry brown has won in many cities with many different type of players/teams.
sloan had two HOF'ers, lost them and is right back winning 50 games a year.
adelman won 50+ games with 3 different teams.

these are great coaches.

what makes d'antoni a better coach than someone like doc rivers or byron scott? imho, he still has alot to prove.
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10/15/2009  12:30 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by coolbeans:

^ mda was outcoached. sixers had no answer to the knicks length, and it showed on defense. instead of mda bringing the knicks inside the three point line and taking advantage on offense. mda handed the sixers an easy brick win-- sixers grabbed and ran the knicks bricks back for an easy two.

You don't know what MDA was doing with his team. To suggest that he doesn't know what he's doing is ridiculous! Go read his Bio and see what this man has done in his career and then think again. We're freakin fortunate to have a coach of his caliber with the embarrassment of Dolan's running of the franchise into the ground. This is not indicative of what MDA's teams usually do. The players are failing to play up to their potential at this point. He didn't just now forget everything he knows about coaching. He's not on the floor failing to execute the plays.

If you know anything about MDA's system he doesn't call out every play like JVG or other old style coaches. He teaches players to think the game for themselves and either you learn to do that on a high level and win, or you don't. This is a process!

i'm a d'antoni fan - i want that guy coaching the raptors - but like many coaches - he needs to prove himself at another spot to show he wasn't just the right guy at the right place at the right time.

riley had a HOF starting 5 in la - but he was proven as great after his stops in ny and miami.
larry brown has won in many cities with many different type of players/teams.
sloan had two HOF'ers, lost them and is right back winning 50 games a year.
adelman won 50+ games with 3 different teams.

these are great coaches.

what makes d'antoni a better coach than someone like doc rivers or byron scott? imho, he still has alot to prove.

dude also won in Europe. A lot. Doesn't mean it naturally transfers to the NBA for every team he coaches, but that's a pretty good resume.
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10/15/2009  1:09 AM
Thank you Martin!!! This is a guy that actually created a philosophy and style of play that has effected the league. Even other coaches acknowledge his BB knowledge and innovation. He will eventually get more players and he'll win here. MDA won't change his style cuz it's more than a few gimmick plays! How many current coaches have come up with a new approach to the game that actually impacted the league? It's more than just jackin up jumpers as so many suggest.
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10/15/2009  11:24 AM
Phil Jax calls the D'antoni offense "Speedball". It's a gimmick. If you gave Dantoni Tim Duncan he would probably not change his style.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/15/2009  11:45 AM
Posted by kam77:

Phil Jax calls the D'antoni offense "Speedball". It's a gimmick. If you gave Dantoni Tim Duncan he would probably not change his style.

what makes you come to that conclusion?
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10/15/2009  11:55 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by kam77:

Phil Jax calls the D'antoni offense "Speedball". It's a gimmick. If you gave Dantoni Tim Duncan he would probably not change his style.

what makes you come to that conclusion?

When he was first hired here he said he didn't have to coach like he did in PHX. He said he could adapt to his players. Many people said that the roster we had was not suited to run and gun, but D'antoni went ahead and tried to instill SSOL anyway.

You are what you are. Coaches don't change what makes them succesful. Maybe one or two genius coaches can, but most of these guys are glorified offensive/defensive coordinators and will fall back on what they know had worked for them in the past.

I don't see D'antoni as a Coaching genius. Offensive genius maybe. But not one capable of succeeding outside of his system.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/15/2009  12:06 PM
You ever notice how everytime a coach comes here the conclusion is that they really aren't that good? Lenny Wilkens, LB, D'Antoni. They all apparently can't coach. The only guys that could coach were Van Gundy and Riley. They also happened to be the only guys that came here with a top 50 player of all time on their rosters.
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10/15/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

You ever notice how everytime a coach comes here the conclusion is that they really aren't that good? Lenny Wilkens, LB, D'Antoni. They all apparently can't coach. The only guys that could coach were Van Gundy and Riley. They also happened to be the only guys that came here with a top 50 player of all time on their rosters.

I LOVE how people here call it a gimmick too. It's f'in funny. Clearly D'Antoni has his theories on how bball should be played. He needs very good players to run his offense true. That is true. However, doesn't the same hold true for any offense or defense for that matter? Would Greg Popovich be a successful coach without Tim Duncan? Phil Jackson without Shaq, Kobe, MJ?

Would Mike Brown and Stan Van Gundy be getting all of their glory without LeBron and Dwight Howard? Would Jerry Sloan still be with the Jazz if it weren't for John Stockton and Karl Malone?

The answer to all of these questions is HELL NO! Every offense needs stars. The fact that people say "Oh well D'Antoni had Steve Nash and Marion and Amare ect.." is f'in ridiculous. Of course he needs great players! Every coach does. And there's not one coach that's going to make this team GOOD until we get the right group of players to suit a coaches style. And yes, he does need a very good PG. A Chris Duhon going out and drinking all the time is not going to cut it.
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10/15/2009  1:05 PM
I'm pretty sure I could coach Tim Duncan to NBA championship, even if I called out sick for The Finals
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10/15/2009  1:10 PM


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10/15/2009  1:17 PM
at least use the good photo

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10/15/2009  1:19 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

at least use the good photo


LOL. That's his playa status. The other pic is the "don't mess with me" status.
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10/15/2009  1:22 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

at least use the good photo


LOL. That's his playa status. The other pic is the "don't mess with me" status.

touche... definitely has a strong, versatile pimp hand
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10/15/2009  1:36 PM
MDA reminds me of the Video Professor at times:

With more hair, of course.


[Edited by - Paladin55 on 10-15-2009 1:37 PM]
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10/15/2009  1:37 PM
Tell me something, why would D'Antoni adapt to his players when 75% of these guys may not even be here next season?

If D'Antoni had enough talent to get this team deep into the playoffs, I'm sure he would change/tweak his system to accomodate the players. What he has instead is a team that clearly has to overachieve to grab the final playoff spot. Walsh is building this roster to accomodate D'Antoni's system. Hell, Walsh brought him here to institute that same system.

We didn't have a winning team when D'Antoni was hired so why would D'Antoni change his system if the result will be losing either way? We are clearly building for the future so I don't see why people get so worried about 3 preseason games.

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10/15/2009  1:49 PM
Posted by s3231:

Tell me something, why would D'Antoni adapt to his players when 75% of these guys may not even be here next season?

If D'Antoni had enough talent to get this team deep into the playoffs, I'm sure he would change/tweak his system to accomodate the players. What he has instead is a team that clearly has to overachieve to grab the final playoff spot. Walsh is building this roster to accomodate D'Antoni's system. Hell, Walsh brought him here to institute that same system.

We didn't have a winning team when D'Antoni was hired so why would D'Antoni change his system if the result will be losing either way? We are clearly building for the future so I don't see why people get so worried about 3 preseason games.

Exactly.

I am all for a coach compromising, adapting to his players and whatnot...but they have to be actual players.

You can't reasonably ask mda to 'adapt' to these players....he must push the system, absolutely. now, suppose, say, we sign a legit superstar, then we can ask for adaptation if it is neccessary. The team as it is now just doesn't warrant anything but an iron fist on MDa's part.
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