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10/13/2009  8:15 AM
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by the way JrZyHuStLa, where do you stand on the issue and what principles is your opinion based on?
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10/13/2009  9:53 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Orangeblob - do you think professional athletes will be forced to choose sides?

Ok if we assume the he is allowed to buy a team despite his drug abusing, non exercising past...NO, players will not be forced to choose sides. While many very soft people talk him up as an EVIL BOOGEY MANNNN, he is absolutely not. He would walk in there like any other owner, the hype would blow over as the very soft people find another person to bash in the media, and the players will continue playing for their million dollar checks, having very little contact with the owner.
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10/13/2009  10:34 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Nalod - it might not be so simple in this case

Especially with players who are game changers

Think of a player like Dwight Howard, who is intelligent and politically active, making a career franchise decision


or even Lebron, who is mature beyond his years

Do fans really want to see those players forced into a corner?

MEarl,

IM not saying your wrong in theory, but Football free agents are a different animal and the rules are different. This guy is not going to be the primary owner or involved like Snyder or Jones is.

Think about the fact football even endorsed this clown to be on MNF to begin with! He was a clown before he got that gig. He will very much have to lay low on the Vicadins and keep his views a bit more mainstream or it would be magnified.

The sad thing is Rush is not even close to being that bad but the fact is he has a huge audiance. Please understand Im not defending him here, but the guy panders to his audiance who is the majority so he is not called out every time. I think a black owner who is equally outspoken would come off as "militant" saying the same thing in reverse! And in this country reverse racism is more accepted but not if you owned a football team!

I prefer to see black ownership group in the NFL instead of the ass called Rush. The model of the Carolina Panthers Of an ex player who made big money outside of football come back and own a team was a very impressive model. I would like to see not some starphuch kind of thing with but a real stable ownership group with the money to succeed. In basketball, the Bobcats owner Bob Johnson underestimated his market challange and did not commit the funds to make it work. Im not saying losing money is a smart thing, but you gotta put a good product out there and spend some money. Putting Jordan in place is a starphuch. At least he was smart enough to hire larry brown with his juice card full to turn the team over. Larry did a hell of a job last year! I think Johnson would love to sell the team.

I think Magic Johnson has been a great success story and more important as a role model of a man who made it big on one level and kept going despite his medical problem. I really dig it when pro players go on to become Docters, go into politics, or build empires as its a better role model for kids. Kevin Johnson is the mayor of Sacremento, Dave Bing in Detroit, Bill Bradley, Mutumbo, etc etc......Sports hero's with brains who build upon success.

Maybe Imus needs to get on that ownership group!

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10/13/2009  10:49 AM
orangeblobman - I think you might want to consider your stance from another perspective.

How many Jewish athletes do you think would look forward to receiving a paycheck from an owner who happens to be a Nazi supporter with a nationally syndicated radio show?
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10/13/2009  2:23 PM
Posted by misterearl:

orangeblobman - I think you might want to consider your stance from another perspective.

How many Jewish athletes do you think would look forward to receiving a paycheck from an owner who happens to be a Nazi supporter with a nationally syndicated radio show?

Earl, Does Rush, a stupid man pandering for ratings with bad stabs at humor compare with an individual who condones genecide of people? If he outwardly supports the reinstatement of Slavery I think that would be a parallel.

I think a real point of contention would be is does the Edward D. Jones stadium have any public money in it? Tax subsidiaries? Any public funding at all? If so, and since people of all race do pay taxes then public money supporting a racist jerk would be offending. Given the anti-trust exemptions the Government allows to professional sports leagues I would think this ownership group with Limbaugh is really in bad taste and goes over the line. His radio show is not a public owned or supported entity. If he was on public radio I would then offer the same opinion that he should be thrown off it.

Bottom line is would He be bad for Rams Football and its profitability to itself and the league? Would taxpayers stand up and protest his inclusion?



[Edited by - nalod on 13-10-2009 2:25 PM]
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10/13/2009  10:58 PM
Limbaugh is cunning individual. Not smart mind you, but he's quite cunning and he is a master manipulator. He knows this is a win/win proposition ---obviously if his bid is a successful one then he wins.

But he knows after years of promoting racist propaganda he has no chance in hell of getting in. There is no where in the constitution where it talks about the right to own an NFL franchise. Free market is all about sound business decisions and its not good business to have an owner who is as divisive and polarizing as Limbaugh.

How are Black fans going to feel financially supporting the Rams? And we have already seen players recoil in protest at the mere thought of him having any sort of ownership stake in the Rams. I could just see him strutting around the practice field like a damn slave master. Bump that.

But see, his bid failing is just as big of a win. Then, he will be able to rile up his base by railing away against "Obama's America". He will tell his viewers " You see, in Obama's America a deserving man can be denied just because some radical liberals call him racist. These are scary times. Scary times indeed. I fear for our once great country!!"

[Edited by - sebstar on 10-13-2009 11:34 PM]
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10/13/2009  11:02 PM
and as for limbaugh owning an nfl team, his rather obvious love-hate (racist) views of black nfl players makes it rather twisted -- although also sadly true of some (often) white sports fans who harbor racist views of athletes of color, yet at the same time worship them and the teams...it falls into the same kind of history of racist views that contribute to stereotypes and white male's sometimes sense of inferiority towards black men, especially young ones.

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10/13/2009  11:16 PM
Nalod

Rush Limbaugh is many things but he is not stupid. To your point, in speaking of slavery Limbaugh commented. "I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

or

"You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed."

Your thoughts?
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10/13/2009  11:26 PM
I love this one. He exploited the worst disaster in American history a disaster that claimed over one-thousand lives, into a way to marginalize African Americans: Lazy shiftless Blacks who waited around for Govt. handouts and simply robbed and raped in the meantime. Hes burning for that one; that piece of shyt.


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10/13/2009  11:28 PM
sebstar, excellent point. Commissioner Goodell wants to preserve his cash machine and Limbaugh has the opportunity to play the innocent victim.

Fans just want to watch the game. For three hours on Sunday, NFL football provides more therapeutic value than most are willing to admit.

Or do you REALLY want to know what Tom Jackson, Cris Carter and Keyshawn Johnson think about being referred to as products of affirmative action?

C'MON MAN!
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10/14/2009  2:27 PM
What do I think? The guy is even worse than I have known. Im not familiar with those quotes.
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10/14/2009  2:42 PM
further developments on this:

NFL owners look at Rush and see next Marge Schott
By JIM LITKE (AP) – 10 hours ago

It's hard to imagine a room full of rich, mostly middle-aged white Republicans turning thumbs down on one of their own.

But wherever their real sympathies lie, NFL owners still value business more than principle. And when they looked at Rush Limbaugh, apparently what they envisioned was another Marge Schott — somebody who was going to cause them more trouble than he's worth.

So barely a week after the talk-radio king announced he was partnering with St. Louis Blues owner Dave Checketts in a bid to buy the league's St. Louis Rams, it fell to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to not-so-subtly inform Limbaugh that he was wasting his time.

"I have said many times before that we are all held to a higher standard here," Goodell said Tuesday at an owners meeting in Boston. "I think divisive comments are not what the NFL is all about. I would not want to see those kind of comments from people who are in a responsible position within the NFL. No. Absolutely not."

The commissioner also said the Rams' current owners updated the league about the potential sale, but specific groups weren't discussed. Whoever wins the bidding, though, would still need approval from 24 of the league's 32 teams, and Colts owner Jim Irsay became the first to say publicly what more than a few of his lodge brothers were thinking: There was no point asking for his vote.

"I, myself, couldn't even consider voting for him," Irsay said at the same owners meeting. "When there are comments that have been made that are inappropriate, incendiary and insensitive ... our words do damage, and it's something that we don't need."

Limbaugh complained in an e-mail response to The Associated Press that the media was using "totally made-up and fabricated quotes" to discredit his bid, which is a tactic he knows something about.

"It is regrettable that something I have dreamed about for years has taken this course. But the fight is worth it to me," he wrote. "I love the National Football League."

This isn't the first time, of course, the league has failed to return the affection. ESPN hired Limbaugh in 2003 to add some spark to the network's "NFL Sunday Countdown." But when he kicked up a firestorm with his uninformed opinion that Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because "the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," the NFL couldn't distance itself fast enough.

"ESPN knew what it was getting when they hired Rush Limbaugh," league vice president Joe Browne said at the time. "ESPN selects its on-air talent, not the NFL."

But the NFL selects its owners, and the people in charge know exactly what they would be in for if Limbaugh were allowed, even as a minority partner, to join the club. NFL Players Association head DeMaurice Smith, who is black, has urged players to speak out against Limbaugh's bid. Several have already done just that, and bad as the Rams are at the moment — they've lost 15 straight heading into Jacksonville this weekend — in a league where nearly two-thirds of the players are black, the team could wind up even worse.

Ultimately, that's why Limbaugh doesn't have a chance. Back in the day, Art Modell, who owned the Cleveland Browns, assessed the league's revenue sharing plan that enabled small-market teams like Green Bay to compete with the big boys and joked, "We're 26 Republicans who vote Socialist!"

When everybody is making money, the last thing they're apt to do is bring somebody on board who's going to make the mission harder.

Since Limbaugh mocked Chicago's bid committee when it got knocked out in the first round of balloting for the 2016 Olympics, what does it say that his own attempt to buy into the NFL's boys club likely won't even come to a vote? Only this: He didn't bother to do his homework, as the McNabb episode and his forced resignation from ESPN suggested; or else, he's not above pulling a cheap publicity stunt to get his name back in the headlines for a few days.

In a recent interview with NBC, Limbaugh was asked how much of what he said was strictly for entertainment purposes and how much of it he actually believed. Toward the end of a rambling answer, Limbaugh said, "Everybody that listens agrees with me," he said.

Or maybe not.

Jim Litke is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write to him at jlitke(at)ap.org

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10/15/2009  1:04 PM
i read in one of the papers today that checketts dumped him. obviously, rush never thought that he would actually be able to buy a team. so he used this as an orchestrated rallying point, and i think it worked...just look at this thread. you can say what you want about him, but he's no idiot.
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10/15/2009  1:11 PM
yup, checketts told him to take a hike yesterday.
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10/15/2009  2:09 PM
i don't know what checketts was thinking in the first place..how does he think this will reflect on him when he gets another group together? lol
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10/15/2009  7:50 PM
lol, I was watching Chris Mathews and Limbaugh was fairly close to the rhetoric I predicted he would spew, after he was withdrawn from ownership consideration. He definitely pinned it on the Obama Administration and said the resistance he was met with was an assault on rugged individualism and nod towards tyranny.... These heathens are so predictable.

BTW, Where was all this conservative caterwauling when Bill O'Reilly got Pepsi to drop Ludacris or when various conservatives would go after rock and rap groups for their words. What a bunch of hypocrites.
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10/15/2009  7:56 PM
Posted by sebstar:

lol, I was watching Chris Mathews and Limbaugh was fairly close to the rhetoric I predicted he would spew, after he was withdrawn from ownership consideration. He definitely pinned it on the Obama Administration and said the resistance he was met with was an assault on rugged individualism and nod towards tyranny.... These heathens are so predictable.

BTW, Where was all this conservative caterwauling when Bill O'Reilly got Pepsi to drop Ludacris or when various conservatives would go after rock and rap groups for their words. What a bunch of hypocrites.

you want to talk hypocrites?

how about the nfl owners that say it's not good to have an owner like rush, they say he spews 'divisive' speech. BUT THEN the same owners are the ones saying it's okay to have felons, drug addicts, dog killers, etc., playing on the field.

THAT is hypocrisy.

you're just a fascist, sebstar, and you don't even know it.
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•a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
•Neo-fascism is a post-World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism. The term neo-fascist may apply to groups that express a specific admiration for Benito Mussolini and Italian fascism or any other fascist leader/state. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(United_States)
•Fascism is a 1995 book edited by Roger Griffin. It is a reader, in the Oxford Readers series, which assembles the writings of various authors on the topic of fascism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(book)
•The word fascist is sometimes used to denigrate people, institutions, or groups that would not describe themselves as ideologically fascist, and that may not fall within the formal definition of the word. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(epithet)
•Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology and a corporatist economic ideology. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
•A political regime, usually totalitarian, ideologically based on centralized government, government control of business, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. ...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fascism
•Alternative spelling of fascism
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fascism
•fascist - an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views
•fascist - relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist propaganda"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
•The Fascist (Il Federale) is a 1961 Italian film directed by Luciano Salce. It was coproduced with France. It was also the first feature film scored by Ennio Morricone.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fascist
•"A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/terms.html
•A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms. ...
martiallaw911.info/glossary.htm
•A system of government that promotes extreme nationalism, repression, anticommunism, and is ruled by a dictator.
regentsprep.org/Regents/global/vocab/topic_alpha.cfm
•From the Latin fasces, a group of tightly bundled rods with an axe head protruding from one end, a Roman symbol of power and unity. ...
www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1451.html
•a philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, together with an ideology of belligerent ...
cidc.library.cornell.edu/dof/concepts.htm
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10/15/2009  8:43 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by sebstar:

lol, I was watching Chris Mathews and Limbaugh was fairly close to the rhetoric I predicted he would spew, after he was withdrawn from ownership consideration. He definitely pinned it on the Obama Administration and said the resistance he was met with was an assault on rugged individualism and nod towards tyranny.... These heathens are so predictable.

BTW, Where was all this conservative caterwauling when Bill O'Reilly got Pepsi to drop Ludacris or when various conservatives would go after rock and rap groups for their words. What a bunch of hypocrites.

you want to talk hypocrites?

how about the nfl owners that say it's not good to have an owner like rush, they say he spews 'divisive' speech. BUT THEN the same owners are the ones saying it's okay to have felons, drug addicts, dog killers, etc., playing on the field.

THAT is hypocrisy.

you're just a fascist, sebstar, and you don't even know it.

Rush is a drug addict too. Haha, you lose.

And where the hell does it say that is somebody's right to have an interest in an NFL franchise? .Face it, there are some pockets in our country where being an unrepentant bigot is good for business. There are some areas where it is not --- the NFL being one of them I guess. Its just bad for business as Rush would prove to be a P.R headache, but truth be told a lot of those NFL owners are probably avid listeners... they just care about money more than Rush.

I could listen to these right-wingers cry all day over this shyt.
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10/15/2009  9:50 PM
Posted by Nalod:

•a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
•Neo-fascism is a post-World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism. The term neo-fascist may apply to groups that express a specific admiration for Benito Mussolini and Italian fascism or any other fascist leader/state. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(United_States)
•Fascism is a 1995 book edited by Roger Griffin. It is a reader, in the Oxford Readers series, which assembles the writings of various authors on the topic of fascism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(book)
•The word fascist is sometimes used to denigrate people, institutions, or groups that would not describe themselves as ideologically fascist, and that may not fall within the formal definition of the word. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(epithet)
•Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology and a corporatist economic ideology. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
•A political regime, usually totalitarian, ideologically based on centralized government, government control of business, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. ...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fascism
•Alternative spelling of fascism
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fascism
•fascist - an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views
•fascist - relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist propaganda"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
•The Fascist (Il Federale) is a 1961 Italian film directed by Luciano Salce. It was coproduced with France. It was also the first feature film scored by Ennio Morricone.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fascist
•"A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/terms.html
•A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms. ...
martiallaw911.info/glossary.htm
•A system of government that promotes extreme nationalism, repression, anticommunism, and is ruled by a dictator.
regentsprep.org/Regents/global/vocab/topic_alpha.cfm
•From the Latin fasces, a group of tightly bundled rods with an axe head protruding from one end, a Roman symbol of power and unity. ...
www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1451.html
•a philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, together with an ideology of belligerent ...
cidc.library.cornell.edu/dof/concepts.htm

Nalod,

Thank you for posting this information because it seems like Fascism has been watered-down in recent American culture. It's clear that histoy's lessons have been lost on many it having that luxury of living in a free-society and where they've never experienced being terrorized or flat-out executed by their own government has lessened the significance of these terms.
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