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MS
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10/13/2009  11:18 AM
Gordon and Randolph are going to be the better players it's not even up for debate. Hopefully the kid gets it going because he does have winning qualities and a good stroke. He is not a starter, but I think you have to force feed him youre right. We aren't making the playoffs and we don't have a lottery pic so development is paramount.
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10/13/2009  11:34 AM
Posted by MS:

Gordon and Randolph are going to be the better players it's not even up for debate. Hopefully the kid gets it going because he does have winning qualities and a good stroke. He is not a starter, but I think you have to force feed him youre right. We aren't making the playoffs and we don't have a lottery pic so development is paramount.

Excuse me but did Gordon or Randolph have an injury that kept them from getting precious development time and required surgery and rehab, which again reduced training needed to improve? You can't say how good Gallo will eventually be yet! No one knows! Gordon is a good scorer and it seems Randolph will be a good player too. With Gallo not being able to go hard or play until September he's behind in his development. It's gonna take another year with no setbacks to really guage what he'll be. We just can't know.

What I do know is that for the most part even weak and hurt he's a plus player and we do better when he's in the game.
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10/13/2009  12:00 PM
Posted by MS:

Gordon and Randolph are going to be the better players it's not even up for debate. Hopefully the kid gets it going because he does have winning qualities and a good stroke. He is not a starter, but I think you have to force feed him youre right. We aren't making the playoffs and we don't have a lottery pic so development is paramount.
Gordon is a good scorer. I took him as more of a volume shooter and he's not. He can really put the ball in the basket at a good rate. However he's 6'2, doesnt defend, doesnt rebound and doesnt distribute. Maybe one day he will, but there are a lot of guys been around 5+ years and people are waiting for them to do something beside shoot. Sorry, but I'm taking the 6'10 guy

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10/13/2009  12:10 PM
My view is that more scoring alone doesn't make us better. We need other things and I feel Gallo brings a lot of those other things. This isn't a knock on Gordon, but I'd prefer if he was a PG at 6-2. He still gets the scoring done but we don't have a problem scoring. We need more D. I think Gallo will be fine on D. Add on his passing and great size and I feel he's a better pick. I haven't seen enough of Randolph but I like where he's headed. I doubt anyone would be unhappy if we took Randolph.
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10/13/2009  12:42 PM
Ok so Randolph is the better ball handler, finisher, defender and athlete than Gallo not to mention he isn't a bad shooter. He is the better player and will be the better player.

Gordon shot 45.6% as a rookie and is 6-4. He is a scorer and if you want to say he doesn't have the upside overal that's fine, but Gallo hasn't show anything to lead you to believe he is going to be a big time scorer. He will be a winning player, but he is very limited right now and part of that has to do with his legs, injury, and cultural adjustment period. Just for the record Ray Allen doesn't do anything except score and shoots at at 45% for his career. If you can score at will you have value especially with another big time player on the team.
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10/13/2009  12:56 PM
Posted by MS:

Ok so Randolph is the better ball handler, finisher, defender and athlete than Gallo not to mention he isn't a bad shooter. He is the better player and will be the better player.

Gordon shot 45.6% as a rookie and is 6-4. He is a scorer and if you want to say he doesn't have the upside overal that's fine, but Gallo hasn't show anything to lead you to believe he is going to be a big time scorer. He will be a winning player, but he is very limited right now and part of that has to do with his legs, injury, and cultural adjustment period. Just for the record Ray Allen doesn't do anything except score and shoots at at 45% for his career. If you can score at will you have value especially with another big time player on the team.
what games are you watching? Gordon doesnt defend anything or anyone. He doesnt facilitate any offense either. He never passes. He comes off screens and shoots. He dribbles and shoots. He penetrates for layups. If he can get into the paint he shoots. I cant fault those parts of his game cause he's good at it, but thats all he does. He has zero impact on the offense when he's not trying to score and he has zero impact on defense.

Now to be fair thats more than Gallo has because he's unproven. Gordon can score in the NBA. Gallo has yet to show us what kind of player he is or isnt.

For now I'm sticking with the 6'10 forward over the 6'2 shooting guard. Time will tell

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10/13/2009  1:06 PM
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No need to force feed or pull back on Gallo. If he earns a spot in the rotation he should play. If he earns a spot in the starting line-up he should be a starter. Good players with strong mental make up do not need to be babied or handed things. They should be given what they deserve. Right now, I don't see what he has done to earn a starting role(but I admit I'm basing that on just these preseason games). I do however think that D'Antoni has been pretty consistent at giving minutes to guys that have earned them.

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10/13/2009  1:08 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
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No need to force feed or pull back on Gallo. If he earns a spot in the rotation he should play. If he earns a spot in the starting line-up he should be a starter. Good players with strong mental make up do not need to be babied or handed things. They should be given what they deserve. Right now, I don't see what he has done to earn a starting role(but I admit I'm basing that on just these preseason games). I do however think that D'Antoni has been pretty consistent at giving minutes to guys that have earned them.

so what you are really saying is that good posters never ask for their postcount to be corrected, they just wait for it to happen?

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10/13/2009  1:10 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by MS:

Gordon and Randolph are going to be the better players it's not even up for debate. Hopefully the kid gets it going because he does have winning qualities and a good stroke. He is not a starter, but I think you have to force feed him youre right. We aren't making the playoffs and we don't have a lottery pic so development is paramount.

Excuse me but did Gordon or Randolph have an injury that kept them from getting precious development time and required surgery and rehab, which again reduced training needed to improve? You can't say how good Gallo will eventually be yet! No one knows! Gordon is a good scorer and it seems Randolph will be a good player too. With Gallo not being able to go hard or play until September he's behind in his development. It's gonna take another year with no setbacks to really guage what he'll be. We just can't know.

What I do know is that for the most part even weak and hurt he's a plus player and we do better when he's in the game.

not only that, reandolph was getting outplayed and in danger of losing his minutes to Brendan Wright until he hurt his shoulder..
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10/13/2009  1:26 PM
If you want to say a 20 year old that is averaging a double double with a blk in the preasason is getting outplayed and is in danger of losing minutes that's something to take up with the idiot head coach that has a guy starting one night and out of the rotation the next.

This kid is one of the most talented young players in the league right now.
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10/13/2009  1:59 PM
AR has KG potential. Right now he's ahead of Gallo no ifs ands or butts about it. He could just as easily be the next Tim Thomas... a guy loaded with talent that just never seems to "get it." I remember after Channing Frye put up 30/12/2 blocks in a Knick win guys around here wouldnt include him in a trade for KG because KG was too old. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder
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