Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by King1:

Since you asked nicely I will do 1990-2000 and get the rest after breakfast.
1991 Dale Davis 13th pick great pick
1992 Malik Sealy 14th pick RIP bad paick
1993 Scott Haskin 14th pick bad pick never played
1994 Eric Piatkowski 15th pick bad pick
1995 Travis Best 23rd pick nice pick
1996 Erick Dampier 13th pic Kobe, Peja, J oneal, and Nash picked right after him.
1997 Austin Croshere 12th pick bad pick
1998 Al Harrington 25th pick good pick
1999 Vonteggo Cummings 26th pick who cares
2000 Primor Brezec 27th pick who cares.
9 drafts and he got three decent players, no all stars, and missed out on Kobe Bryant. 90's were great drafts for Walsh if you were a 6-8 no playing white guy.

You have a hard time with reading comprehension. I said late round round picks are a crapshoot. Match those up with any other GM's late round picks and it's all the same. You contended that he picked terrible LOTTERY picks. I told you to list them and you gave me mid-round and late round picks. Nice job.

Now I'm going to bring you up to speed because you clearly do 0 research. I would guess that's why you love Lee. You just look at the box score.

Malik Sealy in 1992 isn't a bad pick considering it ends up being a role players draft, with guys like Anthony Peeler and Robert Horry drafted ahead of him and Jon Barry and Doug Christie drafted after him. Shaq and Morning headline that draft class. Laettener and Gugliotta go in the top 6 and the only notable late selection is Sprewell at 26.

Haskins is his is worst pick of all. A clear failure there.

Piatkowski was drafted by the Indiana Pacers with the 15th pick of the 1994 NBA Draft. The Pacers immediately dealt his draft rights, along with Jerome Richardson and Malik Sealy, to the Los Angeles Clippers for Mark Jackson and the draft rights to Greg Minor.

Kobe Bryant didn't want to pay for anyone but LA so exclude him from the conversation. If you're going to mention Walsh passing on those guys, you might as well insult other great GM's of that time for passing on the same players. Hindsight is 20/20. Dampier at 10 isn't terrible but the players picked after him make it a bad selection. And to his credit, he later trades for Jermaine O'Neal.

Austin Croshere is drafted at 12. The most notable player(s) in the draft selected after him? Bobby Jackson and Derek Anderson.

Walsh drafted Vonteego Cummings, then immediately traded his draft rights and a future first-round draft pick for the draft rights to center Jeff Foster.

Walsh didn't select all stars because his teams already had a franchise guy and a solid to very good foundation around him. He didn't need to make lottery picks because he wasn't in the lottery. Walsh did well with the picks he was given. Some are mediocre, some bad and some very good. Any GM with those kind of picks in those drafts stacks up in similar fashion. Don't skew the facts.

Please, try again my man.

[Edited by - GKFv2 on 10-10-2009 10:57 AM]

King1-- this site is a little to knowledgeable to cut and paste a google search and use it as applied knowledge. I have to hand it to GKFv2, he knows his stuff.

Thank you sir.

Posted by King1:

GK no answer on Walsh loving Lee? You usually have an answer for everything. The only answer I have young grasshopper is Florida will beat LSU tonight, and Lee will have more points and more rebounds as a Knick then Charles Oakley. Only 4,711 rebounds and 4,393 points to go.

You have no answer for me so why would I answer you and your 30,000th David Lee post? We've been over this before. He can have more rebounds and whatever else than Oakley but nobody will ever respect Lee more than the Oak man. Oakley coined the term "no layup rule" with hos hard-nosed defense. David Lee coined the term "doorman" for his soft, non-existent defense. No comparison. I'm not discussing anything anymore with you. What's done is done. You want to address my point about Walsh, go ahead. Clearly you had nothing to say when I presented you with facts rather than your baseless 3 sentence posts. So address what I said or don't expect me to respond to you again. Good day.

Quit talking about defense as long as we run MDA system. This scheme it to outscore people. The glory days of fighting and good defense are over in New York.

Caseloads then that tell you where your franchise is because he is your best player

and next year Lee will be the second best player on the team after they resign him and sign a max player. Just accept it Knicks fans your stuck with Lee for the next 6 years

i dunno what u guys expected out of Hill but it was widely known that he would take a while to get a feel of the NBA game... he wasn't gonna come in & dominate right away... he's shown he has a solid midrange game, he can run the floor very well for a bigman, he's very athletic & gets after rebounds well when he's on the floor... his defense is gonna take time to develop, that's nothing new to us... none of our bigmen play a lick of defense other than Fishlips & Harrington so that's nothing new... Gallo's shown some glimpses but he's got a ways to go also... Amare Stoudamire blossomed into a superstar under MDA's tutorlage, i'm willing to give Hill time to mature learning under him too, but don't expect Hill to grow into a superstar player... IMHO other than DeRozan i don't see anyone else taken in the draft after our pick that has that type of potential either... i don't think i'd be hearing these complaints about BJ Mullens from you guys if we took him instead, why isn't Jordan Hill afforded the same patience?

[Edited by - TMS on 10-10-2009 6:22 PM]

Posted by King1:

and next year Lee will be the second best player on the team after they resign him and sign a max player. Just accept it Knicks fans your stuck with Lee for the next 6 years

This ain't no bad thing!

I think there is a major divide between the guys that look at things and the guys that see things. The lookers know that Jordan Hill is not reacting quickly and decide perhaps he is lazy or maybe just slow. More experienced observers see that Jordan's poor play is due to him having to learn so many new things at the same time. It almost always takes rookie players time to get up to the speed of the NBA, and it is actually to be expected.

I encourage the lookers to tell me how they know that Jordan Hill won't play much better after he becomes more comfortable with his new role on the New York Knicks?

Posted by King1:

Did I mention Lee he has put up better number than the last two drafts will and I like Gallinari. Hill has zero feel for the game and we needed someone that could help this team. We arent the spurs or lakers and let a player takes his time to be good. This team needws help now and Hill will never see the floor this year.

Do the Knicks "need" someone to help right away? Or did King1 "really, really, really want" someone that could help right away?

Barring a Lebron miracle this team is a few years away from competing. Like all bad lottery teams, we have time to develop our young players. I'm confused to why we think that we are different than other lottery teams