Posted by sebstar:

Why motivate him in such a negative way? I'll tell you why, because this is very self-serving and hoe like, with his runaway ego being his only priority. Much like T.O.

So instead of our lack of success last year being any sort of referendum on his coaching abilities and the personnel decisions he's made, he runs to the media to let everybody know that he is fighting the good fight against his selfish, out-of-control, 5'9 guard who is to blame for our poor season.

LOl oh man, come on bro...

1. it is not a negative way, motivation comes in many different forms and many times a successful motivation by a coach is a composite of different techniques. this is his job and not yours to figure out, since this is the first such incident concerning nate, we can safely assume that mda has tried different things in private.

2. how does it serve mda's ego? i don't understand.

3. last year's success was in large part due to mda's coaching. mda didn't make any personel decisions.

4. he never said nate should be blamed, he only said that nate can push them over as a player, all things remaining constant, how does that blame nate?

Posted by sebstar:

Why motivate him in such a negative way? I'll tell you why, because this is very self-serving and hoe like, with his runaway ego being his only priority. Much like T.O.

So instead of our lack of success last year being any sort of referendum on his coaching abilities and the personnel decisions he's made, he runs to the media to let everybody know that he is fighting the good fight against his selfish, out-of-control, 5'9 guard who is to blame for our poor season.

Why is this a negative thing though? Look at my first post and you'll see why I said it's really not so negative.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by sebstar:

Why motivate him in such a negative way? I'll tell you why, because this is very self-serving and hoe like, with his runaway ego being his only priority. Much like T.O.

So instead of our lack of success last year being any sort of referendum on his coaching abilities and the personnel decisions he's made, he runs to the media to let everybody know that he is fighting the good fight against his selfish, out-of-control, 5'9 guard who is to blame for our poor season.

Why is this a negative thing though? Look at my first post and you'll see why I said it's really not so negative.

Well I cant say I know Nate well enough to say that this is something he will respond favorably too.

I will say that communicating in a confrontational tone on a one-on-one basis, often yields positive results, but this recent episode of verbal diarrhea from D'Antoni is pretty transparent considering he took it public. Plus, he attacked Nate on a personal matter saying that he would have gotten paid had he been a 'good boy'. First of all, those are straight lies and second no player wants to hear matters surrounding their pocket book questioned in such a manner.

Perhaps DAntoni would have a chip and would still be coaching in Phx if he wasnt such a self-obsessed, egomaniacal, loose cannon.

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3. last year's success was in large part due to mda's coaching. mda didn't make any personel decisions.

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by sebstar:

Why motivate him in such a negative way? I'll tell you why, because this is very self-serving and hoe like, with his runaway ego being his only priority. Much like T.O.

So instead of our lack of success last year being any sort of referendum on his coaching abilities and the personnel decisions he's made, he runs to the media to let everybody know that he is fighting the good fight against his selfish, out-of-control, 5'9 guard who is to blame for our poor season.

Why is this a negative thing though? Look at my first post and you'll see why I said it's really not so negative.

Well I cant say I know Nate well enough to say that this is something he will respond favorably too.

I will say that communicating in a confrontational tone on a one-on-one basis, often yields positive results, but this recent episode of verbal diarrhea from D'Antoni is pretty transparent considering he took it public. Plus, he attacked Nate on a personal matter saying that he would have gotten paid had he been a 'good boy'. First of all, those are straight lies and second no player wants to hear matters surrounding their pocket book questioned in such a manner.

Perhaps DAntoni would have a chip and would still be coaching in Phx if he wasnt such a self-obsessed, egomaniacal, loose cannon.

How is it straight lies? You don't think someone would have offered Nate the MLE? Economy? If he is a great 6th man, he would get an offer. He didn't. There were numerous reports of teams in the offseason being leery of offering Nate a multi-year considering his erratic behavior on the court. D'Antoni knows what he's talking about. He only saw one year of Nate and he came to the same conclusion I've had from watching him for four. He needs to get his act together. It only helps the team if he does. He's not throwing anyone under the bus because I'm positive he already told this to Nate before commenting in the papers and is simply saying it now to motivate him even more. D'Antoni isn't at fault here. If Nate is a true professional, he will heed his coaches' advice and change himself.

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by orangeblobman:

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3. last year's success was in large part due to mda's coaching. mda didn't make any personel decisions.

C'mon now. Be real

As real as the ground I walk on. If you're alluding to Stephon and Gallo, sure, he had input, be he was not wrong in either, and ultimately it was the Boss's call.

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by sebstar:

Why motivate him in such a negative way? I'll tell you why, because this is very self-serving and hoe like, with his runaway ego being his only priority. Much like T.O.

So instead of our lack of success last year being any sort of referendum on his coaching abilities and the personnel decisions he's made, he runs to the media to let everybody know that he is fighting the good fight against his selfish, out-of-control, 5'9 guard who is to blame for our poor season.

Why is this a negative thing though? Look at my first post and you'll see why I said it's really not so negative.

Well I cant say I know Nate well enough to say that this is something he will respond favorably too.

I will say that communicating in a confrontational tone on a one-on-one basis, often yields positive results, but this recent episode of verbal diarrhea from D'Antoni is pretty transparent considering he took it public. Plus, he attacked Nate on a personal matter saying that he would have gotten paid had he been a 'good boy'. First of all, those are straight lies and second no player wants to hear matters surrounding their pocket book questioned in such a manner.

Perhaps DAntoni would have a chip and would still be coaching in Phx if he wasnt such a self-obsessed, egomaniacal, loose cannon.

How is it straight lies? You don't think someone would have offered Nate the MLE? Economy? If he is a great 6th man, he would get an offer. He didn't. There were numerous reports of teams in the offseason being leery of offering Nate a multi-year considering his erratic behavior on the court. D'Antoni knows what he's talking about. He only saw one year of Nate and he came to the same conclusion I've had from watching him for four. He needs to get his act together. It only helps the team if he does. He's not throwing anyone under the bus because I'm positive he already told this to Nate before commenting in the papers and is simply saying it now to motivate him even more. D'Antoni isn't at fault here. If Nate is a true professional, he will heed his coaches' advice and change himself.

Its a lie because not giving Nate a contract had 99% to do with Lebron and this current economic climate. If this were 2-3 years ago you think an early to mid 20 something year old player coming off of a 17 pt per game year wouldnt get a deal?????

And how does the same standard not apply for Lee? Its just a stupid ass statement. Bottom line.

[Edited by - sebstar on 10-08-2009 12:58 PM]

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by sebstar:

Why motivate him in such a negative way? I'll tell you why, because this is very self-serving and hoe like, with his runaway ego being his only priority. Much like T.O.

So instead of our lack of success last year being any sort of referendum on his coaching abilities and the personnel decisions he's made, he runs to the media to let everybody know that he is fighting the good fight against his selfish, out-of-control, 5'9 guard who is to blame for our poor season.

Why is this a negative thing though? Look at my first post and you'll see why I said it's really not so negative.

Well I cant say I know Nate well enough to say that this is something he will respond favorably too.

I will say that communicating in a confrontational tone on a one-on-one basis, often yields positive results, but this recent episode of verbal diarrhea from D'Antoni is pretty transparent considering he took it public. Plus, he attacked Nate on a personal matter saying that he would have gotten paid had he been a 'good boy'. First of all, those are straight lies and second no player wants to hear matters surrounding their pocket book questioned in such a manner.

Perhaps DAntoni would have a chip and would still be coaching in Phx if he wasnt such a self-obsessed, egomaniacal, loose cannon.

How is it straight lies? You don't think someone would have offered Nate the MLE? Economy? If he is a great 6th man, he would get an offer. He didn't. There were numerous reports of teams in the offseason being leery of offering Nate a multi-year considering his erratic behavior on the court. D'Antoni knows what he's talking about. He only saw one year of Nate and he came to the same conclusion I've had from watching him for four. He needs to get his act together. It only helps the team if he does. He's not throwing anyone under the bus because I'm positive he already told this to Nate before commenting in the papers and is simply saying it now to motivate him even more. D'Antoni isn't at fault here. If Nate is a true professional, he will heed his coaches' advice and change himself.

Its a lie because not giving Nate a contract had 99% to do with Lebron and this current economic climate. If this were 2-3 years you think an early to mid 20 something year old player coming off of a 17 pt per game year wouldnt get a deal?????

And how does the same standard not apply for Lee? Its just a stupid ass statement. Bottom line.

Sebstar, if Nate kept his emotions in check ALL the time (I thought he did much better last season, but MDA doesn't seem to agree with me) and played more consistently on the D' end, there's no doubt in my mind he'd get a multi year contract from us or another team. Heck, he would have been an all star if that were the case. I have no doubt in my mind about that, even with 2010 being the next season.

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Posted by fishmike:

Posted by sebstar:
Perhaps DAntoni would have a chip and would still be coaching in Phx if he wasnt such a self-obsessed, egomaniacal, loose cannon.

which great coach isnt?
Larry Brown, Phil Jackson, Riley, even our own little JVG. Pop and Sloan are less outspoke but mostly because they get their way. Not really saying its right, just that it is.

Phl Jacks has the luxury of being egomanical when he's always looked across and seen Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe staring back at him.

Brown would be one of the more controversial figures in sports if not for the media protecting him.

Pop and Sloan are largely pretty stable.

Everything is fair and love and war but at the same time there is a difference between being tough and being destructive. This was destructive and it was so stupid and unnecessary. I know most will eat this up because they hate Nate, but he was dead wrong for this.

Some here hate Nate, but as I said, the majority of NY fans love the guy. I just don't see this as being destructive the way you do. If it were a different personality, yes. Like I said though, Nate is a one of a kind character and I don't see how this can be destructive with him.