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dodger78
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9/29/2009  1:04 PM
I kinda feel like getting some classic Darko footage into the discussion!!!

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9/29/2009  1:15 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

^yea, but check it out rambee, darko has a sweet jumper and he's a face up player, and they just weren't cultivating him properly, mda can do this, so a huge leap is almost certainly around the corner. i think someone started a post a long time ago about what you think darko would average, and the overwhelming consensus was something like 14/9/3blocks, so that's serious stuff.

i dont think that was anywhere near the 'overwhelming consensus' - that may have been your own consensus. if darko is gonna be good for this team, he needs to show he can play more than 6-10 minutes a game. why do you insist on crowning him w something he hasnt proven yet? isnt it a wait and see year for everyone on the squad?

oh, and btw, only person to come close to 3 blocks per game for the season last year was dwight howartd (2.9). next closest was birdman at 2.4. matter of fact, only five people blocked more than 2 per game last year. what makes you think darko gets 3 this year? can you ellaborate?
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9/29/2009  1:20 PM
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by orangeblobman:

^yea, but check it out rambee, darko has a sweet jumper and he's a face up player, and they just weren't cultivating him properly, mda can do this, so a huge leap is almost certainly around the corner. i think someone started a post a long time ago about what you think darko would average, and the overwhelming consensus was something like 14/9/3blocks, so that's serious stuff.

i dont think that was anywhere near the 'overwhelming consensus' - that may have been your own consensus. if darko is gonna be good for this team, he needs to show he can play more than 6-10 minutes a game. why do you insist on crowning him w something he hasnt proven yet? isnt it a wait and see year for everyone on the squad?

oh, and btw, only person to come close to 3 blocks per game for the season last year was dwight howartd (2.9). next closest was birdman at 2.4. matter of fact, only five people blocked more than 2 per game last year. what makes you think darko gets 3 this year? can you ellaborate?

I'm not so quick to give anyone the automatic nod to start besides Harrington, Duhon and Lee. Even with those guys, you can make a case that they'd be coming off other teams benches.

However, you are especially correct with Darko and even Gallo. They haven't shown a thing in this league besides the fact that one can shoot and the other can block some shots. They both need to earn it. Everyone on the team needs to earn it, as a matter of fact.
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9/29/2009  1:22 PM
We'll see what he does on this team. He's still young. Either we have Darko at center and Lee at pf or Lee at center an Harrington at pf. At this time, I prefer the second option, but I'm open to have Darko change my mind by his play.
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9/29/2009  1:25 PM
Basically to summarize things... first its way to early to say anything especially about guys like Darko and even Gallo... second MDA will have to find a way to make things work with the flawed guys he has... third every assumption about a starting 5 at this point is based on last season performences or even projected performences based on talent.

So basically its a wait and see. Difference to the past years is... this year actually its kind of fun with all the little side themes (Gallos and Chandlers potential, our FA and how they will perform, the summer of 2010 etc.)!!!
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9/29/2009  1:26 PM
Lee starting at Center was a defensive disaster last year and it is not likely to change this year. We need to start Darko and bring Gallo off the bench.
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9/29/2009  1:26 PM
^^^to your point afan20, my gut tells me that harrington is gonna have a good year. he seems jacked and ready to play. gallo will play well this year as dantoni is gonna feature him alot. up to the youngster to show the goods to be a keeper. chandler should play better also. you will get the same production out of duhon, lee and nate (which isnt bad) and the rest of the team...is just that...the rest of the team. i have no high hopes for any of them.


i'll hang my ass out on one thing though, again, a gut instinct, but i think the big x factor this year is hughes - i know i know, i am crazy. but agent bizzero needs a new contract and does have talent. i think he goes off this year to make some money and the knicks will benefit in terms of wins. there i said it. let the ridicule begin...

[Edited by - jimimou on 09-29-2009 1:27 PM]
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9/29/2009  1:32 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

^yea, but check it out rambee, darko has a sweet jumper and he's a face up player, and they just weren't cultivating him properly, mda can do this, so a huge leap is almost certainly around the corner.


Actually, obm, darko does not have a sweet jumper. That has always been an overrated aspect of his game. In fact, in his best year in Orlando his jump-shooting numbers weren't as high as Lee's last season.

If we use Darko it will be for his defense, not his ability to fit in to D'Ants system, because he can put up a lot of blocks in a hurry if he's motivated.

Pres, Lee will play fewer minutes at Center. Doesn't mean he isn't going to start. I'll be very surprised if it isn't lee-Harrington for a majority of the season.
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9/29/2009  1:37 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Starting Lee at center is pretty much a give up on the season.

We've got to get Darko up to speed or it will be a long year.

dude, it's the first lineup of camp.

no big deal. basically, all of guys from last year, who all know mda's system.

giving up on the season seems like a bit of stretch, no?

Its the beginning of mad scientist time for MDA. He is going to be mixing and matching his "ingredients" in an attempt to find his best lineup, which guys work well with each other, and to see who he is going to keep.

I like the fact that Gallo is with the group mentioned, but don't put much importance on it at this time.

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9/29/2009  1:40 PM
if that's the starting lineup - what are your thoughts on d'antoni's defensive philosphy?
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9/29/2009  1:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

if that's the starting lineup - what are your thoughts on d'antoni's defensive philosphy?

We all know that D'Antoni's defensive philosophy boils down to scoring more points than the opponent.

But I don't know that any coach would calculate that the (+) Darko gives you in shot-blocking justifies the start when he is a (-) in everything else. The guy is a borderline liability on offense.

In fact, I would wager the (+) that Lee gets you in defensive rebounds (finishing opponents possessions) goes some way toward evening out Darko's ability to challenge shots.
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9/29/2009  2:43 PM
Why dont we ever talk about our perimeter defense. Lee didnt get killed by his own man too often. Gasol destroyed him but we had no playing perimeter players go off just look at the no names that had 20 on us.
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9/29/2009  3:00 PM
sheesh

You guys are like a bunch of sorority sisters gossiping over a pair of patent leather shoes on sale. The first day of drills and the Knicks starting lineup has been set in stone?

c'mon, everybody knows it will be

The Sun

The Mayor

The Gallo

Mister Lee

Jordan Hill
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9/29/2009  3:01 PM
Posted by misterearl:

sheesh

You guys are like a bunch of sorority sisters gossiping over a pair of patent leather shoes on sale. The first day of drills and the Knicks starting lineup has been set in stone?

c'mon, everybody knows it will be

The Sun

The Mayor

The Gallo

Mister Lee

Jordan Hill

Says the leader of the sorority sisters
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King1
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9/29/2009  3:04 PM
Jared will play more than Jordan Hill this year.
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9/29/2009  3:08 PM
Posted by King1:

Why dont we ever talk about our perimeter defense. Lee didnt get killed by his own man too often. Gasol destroyed him but we had no playing perimeter players go off just look at the no names that had 20 on us.

the defensive problems on this team go like this:

no perimeter d
no interior d
no help d

lee is guilty of two of those three. he's one of the worst help defenders i've ever seen.
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9/29/2009  3:08 PM
nyk4ever - don't get it confused bro. The Answer Man is the leader of The Pom Pom Girls.
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9/29/2009  3:12 PM
The Sun? Really? Is he even going to make the team?
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9/29/2009  3:13 PM
Posted by misterearl:

nyk4ever - don't get it confused bro. The Answer Man is the leader of The Pom Pom Girls.

Took the words right out from under me, AnswerMan.

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9/29/2009  3:20 PM
If you start Darko (assuming we can get more out of him than Detroit or Memphis did) then you can keep Lee from having to go up against a starting center for the majority of his minutes.

It keeps teams from being able to game plan against Lee at the pivot.

You would have either Gallo or Al come off the bench, and either one would create matchup issues.

Duhon, and Chandler have to start.

Al, Lee, Gallo, and Nate have to get a lot of minutes.

That leaves room mostly at center for either Curry, Hill or Darko to fill.

You'd have to think that it's tailor made for Darko to succeed.
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