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PresIke
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9/17/2009  8:40 AM
i believe djsu will tell you bucher is not worth listening to because of his old report about kobe definitely being dealt to the bulls, and that hahn is also full of nonsense because of his reports regarding sessions...

of course, i would counter argue that at the time of the kobe speculation, there was not much doubt that it would not happen, and i believe primarily because of the fact that the entire bulls roster was going to be gutted that made it complicated...and then of course, the fact that they later ended up getting gasol that made him stay...

as for sessions, the same deal i believe is the case, as before the report of the salary cap dropping came out walsh has even stated that they would have probably signed sessions to a offer sheet...

point is reporters, even the best, can only go based on the facts presented to them. with wheelings and dealings in sports such assertions can never be taken too seriously, but i am also not so sure that means these reporters are not worth listening to at all...

i'd far more likely listen to hahn or bucher or tommy d (who's gained my respect over the past year with good summaries of second hand sources) than someone like isola or berman, who often seem to create rumors based on thoughts that pop in their mind rather than investigative journalism.

as for this rumor...

hard to know what to think.

but i do think hahn is right that the knicks will be hesitant to make a deal involving lee unless it is something they can't pass on given the major question marks about curry, especially, and whether they can move jeffries deal.

reality is that a deal for boozer would mean involving more of our players, since i doubt the jazz want to pay lee $12 mil, even if it's for one season. who would that involve then?
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9/17/2009  10:26 AM
I'm a Lee fan and think he needs to stay. If we are serious about signing a max FA I think retaining Lee is paramount. They way to do that is either find a way to move Curry or JJ. Curry could play his way to a trade while JJ would have to go with Mobely in some kind of money saving deal for the other team.

I like Douglas and Hill as future potential rotation players but if we are going to get someone in here we need big seasons from Lee, Chandler and Gallo
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9/17/2009  10:34 AM
As much as I like boozing, no way would boozer complement anyone on this team other then the pick n roll, I can not see Curry and boozer completing each other when both are primarily post up players, especially in a run and gun offense.

I believe Walsh truly wants lee and won't take a BS deal to save a few bucks when the cards are in his favor. If this wasn't the case I'm sure Lee would be gone by now.

Base on Boozer's past you would not want to get him for one year and then get nothing for him at the end of the season, he has no loyalty whatsoever, and will slide the rug from right under your feet and watch you fall on your ass.
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9/17/2009  10:48 AM
Lee get's **** on around here and I don't know why. He has improved every year he has been here, doesn't make noise, doesn't demand shots, and goes out of his way for fans.

Not to mention he was jerked in and out of the lineup because Brown and Thomas couldn't coach to save there ass when they were here.

Mind you he gets 16pts a game with a marginal point guard, no real post presence and very little outside shooting. You put him with Lebron, Wade or someone of that caliber you think he isn't going to make their life easier and score off of double teams.

If by the graces of god we can move curry this team is going to be awesome next season. You have three guys that are scorer over 15 a game out there and all do different things. Lebron can't be that stupid to think Cleveland is actually going to be able to compete for a championship year after year.

Pray to god Gallo looks like an assassin this season, Chandler improves, Hill give you some D along with douglas off the bench, Nate continues to improve, and that Walsh can do a deal with the Wizards or somebody.

We aren't going to be worse than last season and we actually looked good with gallo in the lineup.

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9/17/2009  11:03 AM
Posted by MS:

Lee get's **** on around here and I don't know why. He has improved every year he has been here, doesn't make noise, doesn't demand shots, and goes out of his way for fans.

Not to mention he was jerked in and out of the lineup because Brown and Thomas couldn't coach to save there ass when they were here.

Mind you he gets 16pts a game with a marginal point guard, no real post presence and very little outside shooting. You put him with Lebron, Wade or someone of that caliber you think he isn't going to make their life easier and score off of double teams.

If by the graces of god we can move curry this team is going to be awesome next season. You have three guys that are scorer over 15 a game out there and all do different things. Lebron can't be that stupid to think Cleveland is actually going to be able to compete for a championship year after year.

Pray to god Gallo looks like an assassin this season, Chandler improves, Hill give you some D along with douglas off the bench, Nate continues to improve, and that Walsh can do a deal with the Wizards or somebody.

We aren't going to be worse than last season and we actually looked good with gallo in the lineup.
I don't think Lee got much **** here until this ugly off-season. People rightly pointed out his weaknesses but I think he was always one of the favorites here. I'd still love to keep him long-term and I'd be willing to give up an asset (perhaps a protected 1st round pick and $3 mil cash) to get a team to take Jared. Or perhaps throw in Mobley's contract instead so we can save the other team money.
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9/17/2009  11:22 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MS:

Lee get's **** on around here and I don't know why. He has improved every year he has been here, doesn't make noise, doesn't demand shots, and goes out of his way for fans.

Not to mention he was jerked in and out of the lineup because Brown and Thomas couldn't coach to save there ass when they were here.

Mind you he gets 16pts a game with a marginal point guard, no real post presence and very little outside shooting. You put him with Lebron, Wade or someone of that caliber you think he isn't going to make their life easier and score off of double teams.

If by the graces of god we can move curry this team is going to be awesome next season. You have three guys that are scorer over 15 a game out there and all do different things. Lebron can't be that stupid to think Cleveland is actually going to be able to compete for a championship year after year.

Pray to god Gallo looks like an assassin this season, Chandler improves, Hill give you some D along with douglas off the bench, Nate continues to improve, and that Walsh can do a deal with the Wizards or somebody.

We aren't going to be worse than last season and we actually looked good with gallo in the lineup.
I don't think Lee got much **** here until this ugly off-season. People rightly pointed out his weaknesses but I think he was always one of the favorites here. I'd still love to keep him long-term and I'd be willing to give up an asset (perhaps a protected 1st round pick and $3 mil cash) to get a team to take Jared. Or perhaps throw in Mobley's contract instead so we can save the other team money.

I agree bonn, players in general go under the microscope when Free agency is at stake.
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9/17/2009  12:25 PM
I thought this was a "let's go drinkning" thread
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/17/2009  12:45 PM
ANother solid (non)move by Walsh. I am really starting to appreciate his sense of direction and patience. It's not just about the court presence Lee brings to everygame. It's also about his attitude and desire to play for the NYK. He is a positive force for the team (okay, not in terms of defense) and if we can move JJ & Curry, Lee makes a lot of sense long-term.

Kudos to Walsh for not jumping at what looks like a good move on paper.
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9/17/2009  1:18 PM
Posted by Moonangie:

ANother solid (non)move by Walsh. I am really starting to appreciate his sense of direction and patience. It's not just about the court presence Lee brings to everygame. It's also about his attitude and desire to play for the NYK. He is a positive force for the team (okay, not in terms of defense) and if we can move JJ & Curry, Lee makes a lot of sense long-term.

Kudos to Walsh for not jumping at what looks like a good move on paper.

I wonder is that really going to be the case by the end of this season. If Chandler raises his game up 1-2 more notches, he clearly has starting SF capability. Gallo is reportedly bigger and stronger, and at 6'10" (or maybe even 6'11"), he might be better suited to play PF. He has good instincts on defense and seems a willing rebounder, and is probably a better defender and scorer than Lee. We just drafted Hill, who at least defensively, is probably going to be better than Lee. So my question is, do we really have a spot for Lee considering we will need to pay him $8-$9 million per year at a minimum (unless he gets no offers next summer)? If the answer to that question is "no", then Walsh should trade him.
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9/17/2009  6:08 PM
The Jazz have been desperately looking to unload Boozer for quite some time. I think he'd be a Knick by now if Walsh were interested. Boozer has an expiring contract but if he's in our long-term plans, we have to re-sign him for probably close to what Lebron would be making.
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9/17/2009  6:13 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Jazz have been desperately looking to unload Boozer for quite some time. I think he'd be a Knick by now if Walsh were interested. Boozer has an expiring contract but if he's in our long-term plans, we have to re-sign him for probably close to what Lebron would be making.

what??? even isiah wouldn't have done that.
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9/17/2009  7:51 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Jazz have been desperately looking to unload Boozer for quite some time. I think he'd be a Knick by now if Walsh were interested. Boozer has an expiring contract but if he's in our long-term plans, we have to re-sign him for probably close to what Lebron would be making.

what??? even isiah wouldn't have done that.
Boozer is going to get at least $12 mil per year IMO. That uses up most of the money we'd be giving Lebron.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-17-2009 7:52 PM]
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9/17/2009  8:37 PM
12 mill, he better have a monster season. I'm not gonna take nothing away from booze, but he really benefits from playing with a really good pg.

Just imaginge lee playing with deron and running the pick and roll, plus back doors and ally oops, He would essentially turn lee into all star. Thus adding an extra 2mill on any contract lee gets.

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9/18/2009  1:04 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Jazz have been desperately looking to unload Boozer for quite some time. I think he'd be a Knick by now if Walsh were interested. Boozer has an expiring contract but if he's in our long-term plans, we have to re-sign him for probably close to what Lebron would be making.

what??? even isiah wouldn't have done that.

Then why did he trade for Zach Randolph?
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9/20/2009  10:20 AM
A few quick notes:

Lee in Utah is that racist states' wet dream second only to Keith Van Horn.

Boozer > Lee


....now would we retain Boozer? Would we extend him as our second near-max sidekick to LeBron?

Utah is _NOT_ giving up our pick to us or anyone else unless they were getting back Dwight Howard or LeBron James or Dwyane Wade.


...and finally:

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HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY, ZERO SOURCES, AND ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN YOU OR I WRITING AN IDEA ON A MESSAGE BOARD ABOUT A POTENTIAL TRADE IDEA!!!!

..Bucher broke this non-story but what exactly does that mean.

And in parting: The fact that Lee and Nate still have no contract shows that no one wants them at even half the price they are demanding!

And at end: Again, WHAT IS THERE TO TALK ABOUT! There is a price the player wants, the price the GM wants, and the price both can agree on. There is no other common ground.

Why such a simple situation takes four months to solve is beyond logic.

Do you argue with the 7-11 guy over the price of a soda? No, but, that's what these clowns are doing.

At this point if I were Donnie I'd tell both these guys either take the QO or sit your asses OUT for a year and get lost. Then waive their rights March 2nd (so they cant join a playoff team this year.)

Sick of this stupidity, sick of greedy ass Lee and his agent, and sick of morons like Hahn writing as if he has an inside source!
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9/20/2009  10:56 AM
now would we retain Boozer? Would we extend him as our second near-max sidekick to LeBron?
I doubt Lebron is eager to team up with Boozer!
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