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Posted by martin:

Posted by Rookie:

Hey, I almost forgot about this gaffe from before Obama was elected. Seems he was talking off the record again....except someone accidentally recorded the conversation on a tape recorder:

'Remember during the Democratic presidential primary campaign when the then-Illinois senator complained to rich folks at a San Francisco fundraiser about bitter Pennsylvanians clinging to their guns and religion? But there was a Huffington Post reporter there with a tape recorder?'


Now I don't think Obama is a racist (atleast publicly), but this comment seems 'off color' to me.

I think that quote - when it has been applied to be thought as racist - has been shot down a lot. Dig up the context to that speech and get back to us. IMHO You are way off the mark.

What do you mean shot down? Are you saying that there is no tape?

Posted by martin:

Posted by Rookie:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Rookie:

Hey, I almost forgot about this gaffe from before Obama was elected. Seems he was talking off the record again....except someone accidentally recorded the conversation on a tape recorder:

'Remember during the Democratic presidential primary campaign when the then-Illinois senator complained to rich folks at a San Francisco fundraiser about bitter Pennsylvanians clinging to their guns and religion? But there was a Huffington Post reporter there with a tape recorder?'


Now I don't think Obama is a racist (atleast publicly), but this comment seems 'off color' to me.

I think that quote - when it has been applied to be thought as racist - has been shot down a lot. Dig up the context to that speech and get back to us. IMHO You are way off the mark.

What do you mean shot down? Are you saying that there is no tape?

no. there are plenty of tapes and transcripts of the speech, it wasn't something accidentally recorded to my knowledge.

Google it, the speech and context was about people losing jobs. I think the audience was comprised of Californians. Could have been a speech for fund raising or something.

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Posted by sebstar:

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lol, SC. I think you are the furthest thing from what Jimmy Carter is referring. You gave smart, balanced, and measured criticism towards Obama's policies. ]This isnt about being critical of Obama.

Then why bring race into it then. My only reason for bringing up charecter is to counteract the race card.

Nice try, but lol at pointing out racist views as "bringing race into it."

Why dont you go tell your conservative buddies that.

Maybe you'll beleive the president then

O slaps Carter over race line
Reuters

WASHINGTON -- President Obama's spokesman publicly disagreed with former President Jimmy Carter yesterday over Carter's contention that some conservative opposition to Obama is based on race.

"The president does not think it is based on the color of his skin," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

Carter told NBC News, "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man."

Carter's remark drew the condemnation of Michael Steele, the first African-American chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Obama is a politician who often chooses to avoid controversy. His response disappointed but didn't surprise me.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Can you answer my question about what the comment about bitter gun owners had to do with race or racism?

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Posted by sebstar:

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lol, SC. I think you are the furthest thing from what Jimmy Carter is referring. You gave smart, balanced, and measured criticism towards Obama's policies. ]This isnt about being critical of Obama.

Then why bring race into it then. My only reason for bringing up charecter is to counteract the race card.

Nice try, but lol at pointing out racist views as "bringing race into it."

Why dont you go tell your conservative buddies that.

Maybe you'll beleive the president then

O slaps Carter over race line
Reuters

WASHINGTON -- President Obama's spokesman publicly disagreed with former President Jimmy Carter yesterday over Carter's contention that some conservative opposition to Obama is based on race.

"The president does not think it is based on the color of his skin," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

Carter told NBC News, "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man."

Carter's remark drew the condemnation of Michael Steele, the first African-American chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Obama is a politician who often chooses to avoid controversy. His response disappointed but didn't surprise me.

So then you think Obama can't be truthful about what he really thinks? I guess the American public can't handle the truth. I have no problem with Obama, I blame the system.

i wouldn't put too much weight into what Obama's spokesperson says in regards to thoughts on Carter and his racist remark. They choose their words carefully and are often said to move on to more important things.

For example, do you really think Obama's spokesperson would have made a statement on record to reporters etc that Kanye was a jackass?

Realistically Obama wants to move on to more important topics but he has to react to the Carter line, so you get a watered down version that really means nothing so that it goes away.

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Unfortunately, I don't put to much weight into what Obama says either (or any other politician R/D for that matter). What I want to see is a detailed plan, then I will form an opinion. All this posturing doesn't really hold my interest until a real bill is presented with enough time for it to be analyzed prior to a vote being called. Personally, I think his advisor's are very smart not to play the race card.

Posted by Bonn1997:

to infer disproval over the President's health care plan amounts to racism

I don't think anyone is saying that. However, you have to look for consistency in people's arguments. Examples:
-When someone says they oppose the increased spending the plan would require, did they make the same complaint when White Presidents with "normal sounding" names increased government spending?

If the answer is no to these questions, I call it racism. It may be racism at a level they're not even aware of. They may genuinely feel that it's different this time and now the deficit does matter but that doesn't mean it's not racism.

Posted by sebstar:

Sad:


Sadder:



Saddest:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/sets/72157622225596987/show/

Holy Shyt!

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshha011a64nAu45aiS3

This is a fairly mainstream movement and you see the sort of inflammatory, tribal rhetoric that is being promoted. Look, America is quick to point out how "ignorant" Black people are, but in pure demographics and numbers standpoint there are more uneducated whites. Difference is these people are misguided in their political engagement as they are gorging themselves on the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs whom are filling their heads with "Obama has a deep seated hatred for white culture" and the like...most of them are extremely impressionable, armed and dangerous, and are encouraged to do something to Obama and the govt.

The next Timothy McVeigh's are being born and coddled. People just dont get it.