Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by fishmike:

what does briggs think?

Who the flyin' F cares?!?!? Honestly Fish, love ya buddy and you're a bright mind around here that contributes a lot, but who the hell cares what this narrow-minded cat thinks? This guy's as pessimistic as you can get. Reading a Briggs post is like watching an Debbie Downer skit from S&L.. Maybe you were trying to be funny there, I don't know. I hope so. Sorry to say, but my man Briggs has absolutely no sense of vision and no concept of trying to build a young team at all - a COMPLETE young team, which has always been the bottom line for me. Case closed. Quack stuff??? Man is that latest insult ever off base. JohnWallace too - bro, if you had a problem with something I said on another thread, man up and address it there. Who says you need 25 posts to speak your mind? You're rediculous. Take one post and articulate your concerns clearly otherwise pipe down my dude. No need to be some kind of follow-up wise guy on your mentor's coattails here. Be your own man fella. "Yeah, what Briggs said." Jesus, come on pal. It's 'the blind leading the blind' show around here sometimes I swear. I mean what is it with some of you? Listen, enough of the same petty nonsense with the same couple of people all the time, I'm tired of the back & forth bickering like children in the sandbox, I really am. That's not why I come on here....For the guys that want to keep Lee and the guys that wanted Sessions, I have no problem with that. That's your opinion, some of you, and I respect it. I don't agree with it, but I respect it as one possible road to follow and one possible outcome. For the good of this team moving forward though, I'm looking at another path and I'm glad they are too. I'd like them to shoot for something more here - youth and more overall depth at all positions with cap money available to dispense as they wish...

First off, this is a Pavlovic thread so here's the latest: like Bishop said, this is the latest report on Realgm: "Sasha Pavlovic, recently waived by the Suns, has agreed to sign with the Timberwolves on a one-year, $1.5 million contract. The Knicks also expressed interest in Pavlovic." (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/61605/20090915/wolves_agree_to_terms_with_pavlovic/)

And it looks like this came from Yahoo! sports which is always pretty accurate with their stuff. Hey if this is true, at least Donnie showed some interest as he absolutely should have. It's still puzzling and tough to hear that we apparently lost this guy to the Minnesota Timberwolves for a pultry $1.5 million dollar 1-yr. deal but so far, there's no confirmation yet so I'm inclined to wait for the official word (Yahoo saying a deal has been agreed to "in principle" so in other words, nothing official yet http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlSL8rh34CU7ZTY9M0P0jXO8vLYF?slug=aw-pavlovicwolves091509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns). Maybe we're still in this. I can't picture Pavlovic choosing the Wolves over D'Antoni and Broadway for that type of money. I get the feeling this isn't over yet - we'll have to see later on today. If he does go to Minny, maybe this'll wind up being part of a trade later on down the road between the Knicks and Wolves. Or maybe this guy David Kahn really doesn't like Donnie Walsh and is trying to stick it to him any chance he gets. Who knows. Again though, I'm just glad to hear that we've at least shown interest in this guy -- we need a legit SG, and this guy's a 6'9" young 2 with a pretty high skill level. That ain't quack stuff, that's reality.

Rebuilding a young team isn't pretty. It's about breaking it all down more or less and starting over, something I've been praying for on my hands and knees for what seems like forever. If you told me when Walsh first got here that in the short span of basically a year and an off-season he'd draft a 6'10" skilled player in Gallinari (who finally looks healthy and ready to go), jettison the seemingly immovable contracts of Z-Bo and Crawford, open up a boatload of cap room for the first time in over a decade with more on the way two summers from now, then cover himself nicely in the draft by grabbing two adequate replacements for Lee and Nate and pull off a nice little trade for a skilled 7'1" young center for a broken down chucker with an uninsured back that didn't fit here anymore, I would've signed up for that in a heartbeat at the time, as would 99% of all the Knick fans in the area. So now we're looking at a possibility of LeBron James coming here (Briggs, you might be the only Knick fan out there on record saying you don't even want the guy - talk about quack stuff, my God) or at the very least possibly moving forward with the following young core AND a ton of cap room for next year and beyond:

5 - Darko Milicic - 7'1", 275 lb., 24 yrs. old
4 - Jordan Hill - 6'10", 235 lb., 22 yrs. old
3 - Danilo Gallinari - 6'10", 225 lb., 21 yrs. old
2 - Wilson Chandler - 6'8", 220 lb., 22 yrs. old
1 - Toney Douglas - 6'1", 200 lb., 23 yrs. old

That's not a bad little nucleus to move forward with at all. Youth, great size, good overall skill level and good upside across the board. 4 out of the above 5 guys weren't even here when Walsh took over. And how can you rip Jordan Hill?? Because he had a bad game against Louisville (he still had 14 & 11) and because he played a little below par in 5 SL games??? Yeah, you're right, he's a bum. His career's over. My God how naive can you get? This guy, in a real short period of time, has really made himself into a standout player, which speaks volumes about his ability to listen, grow, adapt and get better. And I'm not even talking about his physical attributes and advanced skills which are already extremely impressive. I mean did you even watch this guy on television last year?? He was a standout player in CBB last season. Did you catch what he did against Kansas and Cole Aldrich last year? He ate that kid for breakfast and Aldrich is most likely a lottery pick next year. He had big games like that against top competition all year long. He's not allowed to be a little nervous his first couple of summer league games?? Give the kid a break. He was absolutely the right pick to make at 8. And I like the Toney Douglas pick up a lot as well. I didn't follow Douglas as much in college, so at first I was a little puzzled as there was a lot of plus talent I was more familiar with still on the board, but after considering & evaluating their thought process, I like the pickup and I'm willing to give this kid a chance.... In general, all my little jabs at Donnie aside for not taking the time to properly survey and evaluate end-of-the-rotation talent a little better (it's a minor criticism but like I said the other day, there are a good 30 guys out there right now or were available at one time that should've been coming to training camp ahead of Warren Carter - I really have to question the scouting department and whoever else may be in charge of such things - Donnie's the boss but this ain't all on him - he and Dolan have an entire staff of employees that need to serve as their eyes and ears in certain situations and make suggestions - they need be held accountable), he's done a very good job here so far. For the first time in a long, long time, you can see a plan and you can see light at the end of the tunnel. Give the man his just due. There's ongoing tinkering that still needs to be done (I wanna see a continued effort to add quality youth, athleticism and overall depth, resolve/add to the PG situation, keep enough money available to possibly re-up a few guys if they play well and show they belong here [say Milicic, possibly a Pavolvic, possibly Nate Robinson or maybe someone we haven't really thought about yet] after a max. FA contract has been offered and hopefully accepted... I have confidence that that's exactly what the man will continue to do. I really like the outlook here overall - it's a shame Lee and Nate might not be a part of it moving forward but those are the breaks. I'll speak for myself - I have peace of mind that those spots are now covered. As long as we can get something for them (losing both for nothing will sting for sure), any young asset to move forward with (a young player, a pick, whatever) I'm OK with it. And it looks like there might be something brewing here with Lee on the S&T front as training camp nears so we'll have to see what it could be. Portland? Minnesota? Dallas? I'm curious.. http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/09/15/knicks-still-working-on-lee-sign-and-trade-nate-update/.

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-16-2009 05:42 AM]

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by fishmike:

what does briggs think?

Who the flyin' F cares?!?!? Honestly Fish, love ya buddy and you're a bright mind around here that contributes a lot, but who the hell cares what this narrow-minded cat thinks? This guy's as pessimistic as you can get. Reading a Briggs post is like watching an Debbie Downer skit from S&L.. Maybe you were trying to be funny there, I don't know. I hope so. Sorry to say, but my man Briggs has absolutely no sense of vision and no concept of trying to build a young team at all - a COMPLETE young team, which has always been the bottom line for me. Case closed. Quack stuff??? Man is that latest insult ever off base. JohnWallace too - bro, if you had a problem with something I said on another thread, man up and address it there. Who says you need 25 posts to speak your mind? You're rediculous. Take one post and articulate your concerns clearly otherwise pipe down my dude. No need to be some kind of follow-up wise guy on your mentor's coattails here. Be your own man fella. "Yeah, what Briggs said." Jesus, come on pal. It's 'the blind leading the blind' show around here sometimes I swear. I mean what is it with some of you? Listen, enough of the same petty nonsense with the same couple of people all the time, I'm tired of the back & forth bickering like children in the sandbox, I really am. That's not why I come on here....For the guys that want to keep Lee and the guys that wanted Sessions, I have no problem with that. That's your opinion, some of you, and I respect it. I don't agree with it, but I respect it as one possible road to follow and one possible outcome. For the good of this team moving forward though, I'm looking at another path and I'm glad they are too. I'd like them to shoot for something more here - youth and more overall depth at all positions with cap money available to dispense as they wish...

First off, this is a Pavlovic thread so here's the latest: like Bishop said, this is the latest report on Realgm: "Sasha Pavlovic, recently waived by the Suns, has agreed to sign with the Timberwolves on a one-year, $1.5 million contract. The Knicks also expressed interest in Pavlovic." (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/61605/20090915/wolves_agree_to_terms_with_pavlovic/)

And it looks like this came from Yahoo! sports which is always pretty accurate with their stuff. Hey if this is true, at least Donnie showed some interest as he absolutely should have. It's still puzzling and tough to hear that we apparently lost this guy to the Minnesota Timberwolves for a pultry $1.5 million dollar 1-yr. deal but so far, there's no confirmation yet so I'm inclined to wait for the official word (Yahoo saying a deal has been agreed to "in principle" so in other words, nothing official yet http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlSL8rh34CU7ZTY9M0P0jXO8vLYF?slug=aw-pavlovicwolves091509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns). Maybe we're still in this. I can't picture Pavlovic choosing the Wolves over D'Antoni and Broadway for that type of money. I get the feeling this isn't over yet - we'll have to see later on today. If he does go to Minny, maybe this'll wind up being part of a trade later on down the road between the Knicks and Wolves. Or maybe this guy David Kahn really doesn't like Donnie Walsh and is trying to stick it to him any chance he gets. Who knows. Again though, I'm just glad to hear that we've at least shown interest in this guy -- we need a legit SG, and this guy's a 6'9" young 2 with a pretty high skill level. That ain't quack stuff, that's reality.

Rebuilding a young team isn't pretty. It's about breaking it all down more or less and starting over, something I've been praying for on my hands and knees for what seems like forever. If you told me when Walsh first got here that in the short span of basically a year and an off-season he'd draft a 6'10" skilled player in Gallinari (who finally looks healthy and ready to go), jettison the seemingly immovable contracts of Z-Bo and Crawford, open up a boatload of cap room for the first time in over a decade with more on the way two summers from now, then cover himself nicely in the draft by grabbing two adequate replacements for Lee and Nate and pull off a nice little trade for a skilled 7'1" young center for a broken down chucker with an uninsured back that didn't fit here anymore, I would've signed up for that in a heartbeat at the time, as would 99% of all the Knick fans in the area. So now we're looking at a possibility of LeBron James coming here (Briggs, you might be the only Knick fan out there on record saying you don't even want the guy - talk about quack stuff, my God) or at the very least possibly moving forward with the following young core AND a ton of cap room for next year and beyond:

5 - Darko Milicic - 7'1", 275 lb., 24 yrs. old
4 - Jordan Hill - 6'10", 235 lb., 22 yrs. old
3 - Danilo Gallinari - 6'10", 225 lb., 21 yrs. old
2 - Wilson Chandler - 6'8", 220 lb., 22 yrs. old
1 - Toney Douglas - 6'1", 200 lb., 23 yrs. old

That's not a bad little nucleus to move forward with at all. Youth, great size, good overall skill level and good upside across the board. 4 out of the above 5 guys weren't even here when Walsh took over. And how can you rip Jordan Hill?? Because he had a bad game against Louisville (he still had 14 & 11) and because he played a little below par in 5 SL games??? Yeah, you're right, he's a bum. His career's over. My God how naive can you get? This guy, in a real short period of time, has really made himself into a standout player, which speaks volumes about his ability to listen, grow, adapt and get better. And I'm not even talking about his physical attributes and advanced skills which are already extremely impressive. I mean did you even watch this guy on television last year?? He was a standout player in CBB last season. Did you catch what he did against Kansas and Cole Aldrich last year? He ate that kid for breakfast and Aldrich is most likely a lottery pick next year. He had big games like that against top competition all year long. He's not allowed to be a little nervous his first couple of summer league games?? Give the kid a break. He was absolutely the right pick to make at 8. And I like the Toney Douglas pick up a lot as well. I didn't follow Douglas as much in college, so at first I was a little puzzled as there was a lot of plus talent I was more familiar with still on the board, but after considering & evaluating their thought process, I like the pickup and I'm willing to give this kid a chance.... In general, all my little jabs at Donnie aside for not taking the time to properly survey and evaluate end-of-the-rotation talent a little better (it's a minor criticism but like I said the other day, there are a good 30 guys out there right now or were available at one time that should've been coming to training camp ahead of Warren Carter - I really have to question the scouting department and whoever else may be in charge of such things - Donnie's the boss but this ain't all on him - he and Dolan have an entire staff of employees that need to serve as their eyes and ears in certain situations and make suggestions - they need be held accountable), he's done a very good job here so far. For the first time in a long, long time, you can see a plan and you can see light at the end of the tunnel. Give the man his just due. There's ongoing tinkering that still needs to be done (I wanna see a continued effort to add quality youth, athleticism and overall depth, resolve/add to the PG situation, keep enough money available to possibly re-up a few guys if they play well and show they belong here [say Milicic, possibly a Pavolvic, possibly Nate Robinson or maybe someone we haven't really thought about yet] after a max. FA contract has been offered and hopefully accepted... I have confidence that that's exactly what the man will continue to do. I really like the outlook here overall - it's a shame Lee and Nate might not be a part of it moving forward but those are the breaks. I'll speak for myself - I have peace of mind that those spots are now covered. As long as we can get something for them (losing both for nothing will sting for sure), any young asset to move forward with (a young player, a pick, whatever) I'm OK with it. And it looks like there might be something brewing here with Lee on the S&T front as training camp nears so we'll have to see what it could be. Portland? Minnesota? Dallas? I'm curious.. http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/09/15/knicks-still-working-on-lee-sign-and-trade-nate-update/.

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-16-2009 05:42 AM]

Posted by fishmike:

really Briggs? You discovered them? We all saw the same Amare (McDonalds all American) game you did. He looked good. Posting about him 5x a day saying "lets get this guy" doesnt constitute discovering. You didnt say crap about DWade until he had that great tourney. Your getting over the top dude. You post about every college player that has a great game or is "long and athletic." Throw enough **** against the wall and some will stick.

Posting about talented CBB players = cool.
Saying your the only one here with an eye for talent because of it = dbag.

Come off it dude.

Dont worry be happy! Lets hug it out I say

Posted by Finestrg:

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Posted by fishmike:

really Briggs? You discovered them? We all saw the same Amare (McDonalds all American) game you did. He looked good. Posting about him 5x a day saying "lets get this guy" doesnt constitute discovering. You didnt say crap about DWade until he had that great tourney. Your getting over the top dude. You post about every college player that has a great game or is "long and athletic." Throw enough **** against the wall and some will stick.

Posting about talented CBB players = cool.
Saying your the only one here with an eye for talent because of it = dbag.

Come off it dude.

Dont worry be happy! Lets hug it out I say

Exactly. Was gonna say the same thing but you've summed it up pretty well... You've been around a lot longer than me Fish - I really feel for the guys that have had to endure this guy & all his "I told ya Sos" for so long. A lot of you guys would know better than me, but it looks like if the team doesn't do exactly what he calls for, he's then ripe for another bout of pessimism that could linger like a backed up cesspool for days, weeks, even years. Case in point - how many times are we gonna have to hear about the Gallinari draft? OK, we gotcha, you wanted Anthony Randolph or Brook Lopez. We heard ya loud & clear. A lot of us liked those two players as well. Hey I wanted Jerryd Bayless but you don't hear me crying about it now - what's done is done. As soon as we got Gallinari, I analyzed the thought-process behind the pick, I researched the player the best I could and I'm now behind the player 100%. Now if you listen to my main man Briggs discuss the same guy he offers up no acknowledgment whatsoever that the kid can play & has skills and if I didn't know any better, it sounds to me like he wants the kid to fail. Why? Just to prove a point which essentially boils down to nothing more than another I told you so? To me, that's just not right. Gallo's got talent and is a NYK now. He has my support. You'll never hear me wishing ill-will on this guy just so I can one day say we should've taken Bayless... So damn preachy with everything - basketball players, stock options, how millionaires should manage their money & their teams, how to recover from an injury and eat right, I mean you name it. I suffered an on-the-job injury far worse than this guy can even fathom and was forced to retire from my profession prematurely - sorry I don't care to come on here looking for sympathy, give updates on the recovery process and force-feed my advice down people's throats. Why? Because I don't care to discuss it & I know nobody cares anyway. I come on here to talk about my favorite two sports and favorite two teams. That's it. Who the hell am I to tell anyone how to live their lives in any particular way? This dude just struck me the wrong way immediately way back when I first signed up a few years ago. Disagreeing is one thing, I disagree with guys all the time but unless provoked in some manner, I try to offer up intelligent rebuttal and that's how the conversation keeps going. With this guy it's different. Keep dishing out the insults brother, no problem. I got you. It's all good, I now expect nothing less from the all-knowing, all-seeing Wizard of Oz...

You hit the nail on the head Fish - anyone with a pulse can look at top draft prospects months before the draft, pick the top 5-8 guys and start making declarations about them becoming future stars. Like everyone else on here interested in CBB, I'll offer my own opinion on players too - not to impress anyone, not say I told ya so at some time in the future but just because I enjoy it. With this team right now I'm talking about living in the moment, dealing with the hand that's been dealt to us & building up what we have in place now (which is all we can do). This guy's still talking Dwayne Wade... Isn't it funny that on a Sasha Pavlovic thread this guy's the only one who's posted here that hasn't given an intelligent opinion on the kid's talent and whether or not he makes any sense for our team for the little amount of money being discussed? Seriously, I thought that was the point of the thread? That's the issue here, not how many words I wrote. Oh and it was 11,000 not 10,000 buddy and I believe every word. Don't read it, what do you want me to tell ya? Nobody's pullin' your johnson...

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-16-2009 12:06 PM]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by fishmike:

listen... Briggs is cool and a big part of what makes this a great forum. I try to avoid the personality snits that happen here, but sometimes people just need a little nudge if can dig

Lets face it... this has been a very very tough team to be a fan of over recent years and watching a team you love go through this doesnt inspire warm and fuzzy feelings. Its been compounded by the personalities that have played here or been a part of management. From Layden to Isiah to Marbury to DAntoni to Walsh, Dolan and of course the big game Jerome James. These are polarzing personas and are going to push people's buttons.

Personally the only buttons I like pressed are the "drink more booze" button or "look at the boobies on her" button.

Warm days are just around the corner!! We can make it!!!!

Fish, it's Marv's job to play psychiatrist and it's your job to provide us with stories of hittin college chicks.