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Possible S&T scenario for David Lee with Dallas
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djsunyc
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9/16/2009  10:40 AM
if lee re-signs with the knicks for 1 year (which looks to be the case), then there are few possible scenarios:

1 - he leaves as a free agent after the season
2 - he leaves in a sign and trade after the season
3 - he re-signs with the knicks long term

chances he's traded = 0

he gives up his bird's rights...any agent agreeing to this would be fired on the spot. history shows that guys playing on the last year of their rookie deal (either qualifying offer or 1 year contract) always leave.

most recent examples: gordon + pietrus
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9/16/2009  10:44 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

if lee re-signs with the knicks for 1 year (which looks to be the case), then there are few possible scenarios:

1 - he leaves as a free agent after the season
2 - he leaves in a sign and trade after the season
3 - he re-signs with the knicks long term

chances he's traded = 0

he gives up his bird's rights...any agent agreeing to this would be fired on the spot. history shows that guys playing on the last year of their rookie deal (either qualifying offer or 1 year contract) always leave.

most recent examples: gordon + pietrus

has there ever been a case where the player signs a 1-year for 2-3 times what the QO was? I think that is the expectation with Lee signing back with the Knicks, somewhere around the $7-8M mark. If not, is there any expectation that Lee would give something back to the Knicks?
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9/16/2009  10:48 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I think we can get more for DLee during the season than Shawne Williams.

I want to trade close to nothing for David Lee--this is his proposal. I actually like Nick Calathes and I would have picked him over Douglas[I wouldnt have sprang a 1st rounder for him] but we laid our bet there and paid for it . Im not interested for the rights to a player + garbage for David Lee. I would either keep Lee or get a promising young BIG player + a pick. Not interested in just giving away Lee. We already stupidly gave away Ariza and didnt seal an easy deal with Sessions not to mention how many other bad moves we have made. Is the goal to win 25 games each and every year???
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9/16/2009  11:38 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

if lee re-signs with the knicks for 1 year (which looks to be the case), then there are few possible scenarios:

1 - he leaves as a free agent after the season
2 - he leaves in a sign and trade after the season
3 - he re-signs with the knicks long term

chances he's traded = 0

he gives up his bird's rights...any agent agreeing to this would be fired on the spot. history shows that guys playing on the last year of their rookie deal (either qualifying offer or 1 year contract) always leave.

most recent examples: gordon + pietrus


He can be trade, it would simply have to be to a team with interest and cap room to resign him. I agree it is unlikely, but it is not impossible.
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9/16/2009  1:40 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

I think we can get more for DLee during the season than Shawne Williams.

I want to trade close to nothing for David Lee--this is his proposal. I actually like Nick Calathes and I would have picked him over Douglas[I wouldnt have sprang a 1st rounder for him] but we laid our bet there and paid for it . Im not interested for the rights to a player + garbage for David Lee. I would either keep Lee or get a promising young BIG player + a pick. Not interested in just giving away Lee. We already stupidly gave away Ariza and didnt seal an easy deal with Sessions not to mention how many other bad moves we have made. Is the goal to win 25 games each and every year???

I agree. Guys around here are so quick to poke holes in our players and throw an anchor on their perspective value.But players for other teams almost always get a glossy veneer thrown on them. Regardless of how "hollow" Lee's numbers are, he put them up so lets just deal with that reality. If a team is not wiling to give us a solid package for him, then lets get him a one-year deal and keep it moving.
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9/16/2009  2:09 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If I did a S+T I would be looking for something like this--not necessarily in order


David Lee to Chicago for Jerome James Tyrus Thomas and the Bulls 2010 #1 pick restricted to 5 and then nothing in 2011

David Lee to Sacremento for Jason Thompson Kenny thomas and a 2010 number 1 pick restricted to 5.

David Lee and Cutino Mobley to Utah for Carlos Boozer Matt Harping and Kosta Koufus

Either I get the trade I want or no trade. Im not trading him for crp. Id rather keep him and work it out otherwise.

Pipe dream, pipe dream and pipe dream. Wake up dude - you're not getting that kind of return for this guy. Ain't happening. Start thinking realistic. And I got news for ya, Lee isn't gonna play as much as he did last year, not with all their frontcourt players (some new guys, some of the same guys, some guys returning from injury), so forget seeing him put up the same type of numbers he did last year. And those were hollow numbers anyway - Lee at 16 & 12 equalled 32 wins. He's a good role player and I respect him but he's just not on that elite, game-changing level. Not even close. You have to realize that when you come up with hypothetical trades for him. The only one that's remotely realistic is the Utah scenario but even that make's little sense -- The Jazz just re-signed Paul Milsap who I bet they think is better than Lee anyway then you're asking them to just throw in Koufos, their young skilled center of the future that they're very high on??? And how does Boozer fit here? First off he's got knee problems and only played 37 games last year. Second, he's an expiring contract who wouldn't be worth re-uping IMO, not with much better FA talent out there. Utah would never do this anyway - even if we only rented Boozer for the year, a trade like this would devalue the pick we owe them.

Too bad Drew Gooden can't be traded for months - the trade of Gooden, Shawne Williams, Nathan Jawai and the rights to Nick Calathes would've been perfect not to mention much more realistic.

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-16-2009 06:20 AM]

It might be a pipe dream in your book but I would rather do what i had to do to keep Lee than collect a pile of garbage for him. I don't trade good players for garbage.
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9/16/2009  2:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If I did a S+T I would be looking for something like this--not necessarily in order


David Lee to Chicago for Jerome James Tyrus Thomas and the Bulls 2010 #1 pick restricted to 5 and then nothing in 2011

David Lee to Sacremento for Jason Thompson Kenny thomas and a 2010 number 1 pick restricted to 5.

David Lee and Cutino Mobley to Utah for Carlos Boozer Matt Harping and Kosta Koufus

Either I get the trade I want or no trade. Im not trading him for crp. Id rather keep him and work it out otherwise.

Pipe dream, pipe dream and pipe dream. Wake up dude - you're not getting that kind of return for this guy. Ain't happening. Start thinking realistic. And I got news for ya, Lee isn't gonna play as much as he did last year, not with all their frontcourt players (some new guys, some of the same guys, some guys returning from injury), so forget seeing him put up the same type of numbers he did last year. And those were hollow numbers anyway - Lee at 16 & 12 equalled 32 wins. He's a good role player and I respect him but he's just not on that elite, game-changing level. Not even close. You have to realize that when you come up with hypothetical trades for him. The only one that's remotely realistic is the Utah scenario but even that make's little sense -- The Jazz just re-signed Paul Milsap who I bet they think is better than Lee anyway then you're asking them to just throw in Koufos, their young skilled center of the future that they're very high on??? And how does Boozer fit here? First off he's got knee problems and only played 37 games last year. Second, he's an expiring contract who wouldn't be worth re-uping IMO, not with much better FA talent out there. Utah would never do this anyway - even if we only rented Boozer for the year, a trade like this would devalue the pick we owe them.

Too bad Drew Gooden can't be traded for months - the trade of Gooden, Shawne Williams, Nathan Jawai and the rights to Nick Calathes would've been perfect not to mention much more realistic.

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-16-2009 06:20 AM]

It might be a pipe dream in your book but I would rather do what i had to do to keep Lee than collect a pile of garbage for him. I don't trade good players for garbage.

Yeah you said that already and I told you Gooden, Williams and Nick Calathes wouldn't have been garbage provide we could have made that trade - it's fair value in exchange for a role player that played over his head last year and who's value will diminish as he plays less minutes this year. Anything else?
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9/16/2009  2:47 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If I did a S+T I would be looking for something like this--not necessarily in order


David Lee to Chicago for Jerome James Tyrus Thomas and the Bulls 2010 #1 pick restricted to 5 and then nothing in 2011

David Lee to Sacremento for Jason Thompson Kenny thomas and a 2010 number 1 pick restricted to 5.

David Lee and Cutino Mobley to Utah for Carlos Boozer Matt Harping and Kosta Koufus

Either I get the trade I want or no trade. Im not trading him for crp. Id rather keep him and work it out otherwise.

Pipe dream, pipe dream and pipe dream. Wake up dude - you're not getting that kind of return for this guy. Ain't happening. Start thinking realistic. And I got news for ya, Lee isn't gonna play as much as he did last year, not with all their frontcourt players (some new guys, some of the same guys, some guys returning from injury), so forget seeing him put up the same type of numbers he did last year. And those were hollow numbers anyway - Lee at 16 & 12 equalled 32 wins. He's a good role player and I respect him but he's just not on that elite, game-changing level. Not even close. You have to realize that when you come up with hypothetical trades for him. The only one that's remotely realistic is the Utah scenario but even that make's little sense -- The Jazz just re-signed Paul Milsap who I bet they think is better than Lee anyway then you're asking them to just throw in Koufos, their young skilled center of the future that they're very high on??? And how does Boozer fit here? First off he's got knee problems and only played 37 games last year. Second, he's an expiring contract who wouldn't be worth re-uping IMO, not with much better FA talent out there. Utah would never do this anyway - even if we only rented Boozer for the year, a trade like this would devalue the pick we owe them.

Too bad Drew Gooden can't be traded for months - the trade of Gooden, Shawne Williams, Nathan Jawai and the rights to Nick Calathes would've been perfect not to mention much more realistic.

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-16-2009 06:20 AM]

It might be a pipe dream in your book but I would rather do what i had to do to keep Lee than collect a pile of garbage for him. I don't trade good players for garbage.

Yeah you said that already and I told you Gooden, Williams and Nick Calathes wouldn't have been garbage provide we could have made that trade - it's fair value in exchange for a role player that played over his head last year and who's value will diminish as he plays less minutes this year. Anything else?

When D Lee is an all star this year--come talk to me.
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9/16/2009  2:55 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If I did a S+T I would be looking for something like this--not necessarily in order


David Lee to Chicago for Jerome James Tyrus Thomas and the Bulls 2010 #1 pick restricted to 5 and then nothing in 2011

David Lee to Sacremento for Jason Thompson Kenny thomas and a 2010 number 1 pick restricted to 5.

David Lee and Cutino Mobley to Utah for Carlos Boozer Matt Harping and Kosta Koufus

Either I get the trade I want or no trade. Im not trading him for crp. Id rather keep him and work it out otherwise.

Pipe dream, pipe dream and pipe dream. Wake up dude - you're not getting that kind of return for this guy. Ain't happening. Start thinking realistic. And I got news for ya, Lee isn't gonna play as much as he did last year, not with all their frontcourt players (some new guys, some of the same guys, some guys returning from injury), so forget seeing him put up the same type of numbers he did last year. And those were hollow numbers anyway - Lee at 16 & 12 equalled 32 wins. He's a good role player and I respect him but he's just not on that elite, game-changing level. Not even close. You have to realize that when you come up with hypothetical trades for him. The only one that's remotely realistic is the Utah scenario but even that make's little sense -- The Jazz just re-signed Paul Milsap who I bet they think is better than Lee anyway then you're asking them to just throw in Koufos, their young skilled center of the future that they're very high on??? And how does Boozer fit here? First off he's got knee problems and only played 37 games last year. Second, he's an expiring contract who wouldn't be worth re-uping IMO, not with much better FA talent out there. Utah would never do this anyway - even if we only rented Boozer for the year, a trade like this would devalue the pick we owe them.

Too bad Drew Gooden can't be traded for months - the trade of Gooden, Shawne Williams, Nathan Jawai and the rights to Nick Calathes would've been perfect not to mention much more realistic.

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-16-2009 06:20 AM]

It might be a pipe dream in your book but I would rather do what i had to do to keep Lee than collect a pile of garbage for him. I don't trade good players for garbage.

Yeah you said that already and I told you Gooden, Williams and Nick Calathes wouldn't have been garbage provide we could have made that trade - it's fair value in exchange for a role player that played over his head last year and who's value will diminish as he plays less minutes this year. Anything else?

When D Lee is an all star this year--come talk to me.

You got it. LMAO!
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9/16/2009  4:15 PM
How 'bout you get back to me in a couple of years if not sooner when Gooden & Shawne Williams are rotation players somewhere and Nick Calathes is running the point for some team in the NBA (most likely the Mavs - Kidd won't last forever and Cuban supposedly loved him after he had him in for a pre-draft workout). Cuban supposedly really likes Gooden as well. There's a chance that Cuban would've turned this deal down, I got news for ya. I think I may have as well if I were in charge in Dallas.
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9/17/2009  3:45 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If I did a S+T I would be looking for something like this--not necessarily in order


David Lee to Chicago for Jerome James Tyrus Thomas and the Bulls 2010 #1 pick restricted to 5 and then nothing in 2011

David Lee to Sacremento for Jason Thompson Kenny thomas and a 2010 number 1 pick restricted to 5.

David Lee and Cutino Mobley to Utah for Carlos Boozer Matt Harping and Kosta Koufus

Either I get the trade I want or no trade. Im not trading him for crp. Id rather keep him and work it out otherwise.

Pipe dream, pipe dream and pipe dream. Wake up dude - you're not getting that kind of return for this guy. Ain't happening. Start thinking realistic. And I got news for ya, Lee isn't gonna play as much as he did last year, not with all their frontcourt players (some new guys, some of the same guys, some guys returning from injury), so forget seeing him put up the same type of numbers he did last year. And those were hollow numbers anyway - Lee at 16 & 12 equalled 32 wins. He's a good role player and I respect him but he's just not on that elite, game-changing level. Not even close. You have to realize that when you come up with hypothetical trades for him. The only one that's remotely realistic is the Utah scenario but even that make's little sense -- The Jazz just re-signed Paul Milsap who I bet they think is better than Lee anyway then you're asking them to just throw in Koufos, their young skilled center of the future that they're very high on??? And how does Boozer fit here? First off he's got knee problems and only played 37 games last year. Second, he's an expiring contract who wouldn't be worth re-uping IMO, not with much better FA talent out there. Utah would never do this anyway - even if we only rented Boozer for the year, a trade like this would devalue the pick we owe them.

Too bad Drew Gooden can't be traded for months - the trade of Gooden, Shawne Williams, Nathan Jawai and the rights to Nick Calathes would've been perfect not to mention much more realistic.

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-16-2009 06:20 AM]

It might be a pipe dream in your book but I would rather do what i had to do to keep Lee than collect a pile of garbage for him. I don't trade good players for garbage.

Yeah you said that already and I told you Gooden, Williams and Nick Calathes wouldn't have been garbage provide we could have made that trade - it's fair value in exchange for a role player that played over his head last year and who's value will diminish as he plays less minutes this year. Anything else?

When D Lee is an all star this year--come talk to me.

You got it. LMAO!

DLee is not going anywhere.
Yesterday watched Rangers preseason game and he is the centerpiece on Knicks upcoming season commercials.
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Posted by arkrud:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If I did a S+T I would be looking for something like this--not necessarily in order


David Lee to Chicago for Jerome James Tyrus Thomas and the Bulls 2010 #1 pick restricted to 5 and then nothing in 2011

David Lee to Sacremento for Jason Thompson Kenny thomas and a 2010 number 1 pick restricted to 5.

David Lee and Cutino Mobley to Utah for Carlos Boozer Matt Harping and Kosta Koufus

Either I get the trade I want or no trade. Im not trading him for crp. Id rather keep him and work it out otherwise.

Pipe dream, pipe dream and pipe dream. Wake up dude - you're not getting that kind of return for this guy. Ain't happening. Start thinking realistic. And I got news for ya, Lee isn't gonna play as much as he did last year, not with all their frontcourt players (some new guys, some of the same guys, some guys returning from injury), so forget seeing him put up the same type of numbers he did last year. And those were hollow numbers anyway - Lee at 16 & 12 equalled 32 wins. He's a good role player and I respect him but he's just not on that elite, game-changing level. Not even close. You have to realize that when you come up with hypothetical trades for him. The only one that's remotely realistic is the Utah scenario but even that make's little sense -- The Jazz just re-signed Paul Milsap who I bet they think is better than Lee anyway then you're asking them to just throw in Koufos, their young skilled center of the future that they're very high on??? And how does Boozer fit here? First off he's got knee problems and only played 37 games last year. Second, he's an expiring contract who wouldn't be worth re-uping IMO, not with much better FA talent out there. Utah would never do this anyway - even if we only rented Boozer for the year, a trade like this would devalue the pick we owe them.

Too bad Drew Gooden can't be traded for months - the trade of Gooden, Shawne Williams, Nathan Jawai and the rights to Nick Calathes would've been perfect not to mention much more realistic.

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-16-2009 06:20 AM]

It might be a pipe dream in your book but I would rather do what i had to do to keep Lee than collect a pile of garbage for him. I don't trade good players for garbage.

Yeah you said that already and I told you Gooden, Williams and Nick Calathes wouldn't have been garbage provide we could have made that trade - it's fair value in exchange for a role player that played over his head last year and who's value will diminish as he plays less minutes this year. Anything else?

When D Lee is an all star this year--come talk to me.

You got it. LMAO!

DLee is not going anywhere.
Yesterday watched Rangers preseason game and he is the centerpiece on Knicks upcoming season commercials.
If player is not good enough to keep people attension the MSG propoganda machine will find other ways to keep him on the frontpages



Yes, David Lee is "formidable" indeed.

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