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Can the Knicks win 40 Games this season? If the answer is Yes or No please explain your reason why.
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nixluva
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9/14/2009  1:50 PM
One thing I do know is that ALL of the returning players realize how hard they had to work in order to play in this system. Last year i'm sure some guys got caught not being ready. I know we've heard Al make a more serious commitment to being in better shape. Also with so many guys either in contract year or just trying to get into the rotation, there's a ton of incentive for the team to play hard this year.

You now it's funny but Walsh has kind of found a way to get around the guaranteed contract problem in the NBA. We basically have guys playing for contracts all over the place. I've always wished that the NBA contracts weren't guaranteed or that we could go on a year to year basis so that players wouldn't sign and then get lazy. Well that's pretty much what we have. Either they play hard or no new contract, a lower contract or no playing time. Either way it means guys will have to play HARD!

EXPECT TO BE IN 40 WIN RANGE!!!
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9/14/2009  11:58 PM
If we win at the same pace that we did post ZBo/Craw trade then we would win at a .366 clip, or 30 games.

Have Darko, Hill, and Douglass made a ten game difference?

Have the teams around us lost a step?

I think that's yet to be seen.

I think if I were the Knicks, 40 games would be my goal. Going from a .366 win percentage to .487 would be quite the jump for a team that didn't add any major parts.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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9/15/2009  12:30 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If we win at the same pace that we did post ZBo/Craw trade then we would win at a .366 clip, or 30 games.

Have Darko, Hill, and Douglass made a ten game difference?

Have the teams around us lost a step?

I think that's yet to be seen.

I think if I were the Knicks, 40 games would be my goal. Going from a .366 win percentage to .487 would be quite the jump for a team that didn't add any major parts.

They won 32 games and many of their losses were wins they just gave away. The team we have now should come into the season deeper, more settled, hungrier, Bigger and more balanced than last years team. It's very possible for them to win 40. 8 more wins isn't asking a lot of this team.

Let's just step back for a second and look at this thing a little closer. You have to at least recognize how the trades knocked the team balance for a bit. Then we saw the team kind of come together, but we ran Duhon into the ground and I think things unraveled. The biggest problem I see with the current team is that there's no leader. This year i'd like to see guys step up and lead. Chandler and Gallo are young, but it would be nice to see them develop into leaders.
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9/15/2009  12:38 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If we win at the same pace that we did post ZBo/Craw trade then we would win at a .366 clip, or 30 games.

Have Darko, Hill, and Douglass made a ten game difference?

Have the teams around us lost a step?

I think that's yet to be seen.

I think if I were the Knicks, 40 games would be my goal. Going from a .366 win percentage to .487 would be quite the jump for a team that didn't add any major parts.

We would be adding 2 lottery selections in Gallo and Hill another first rd pick with Douglas. Plus the possibility of Eddie Curry actually playing some games and producing something. We added more size and depth upfront to go along with more depth at PG.

It wouldn't be that crazy if we won 40 games next season. It also wouldn't be crazy if we failed to do so.
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9/15/2009  12:56 AM
Yes they can. But they may need 2 seasons to do that...
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9/15/2009  1:03 AM
They won 32 and 6 were in the first 11 when we still had ZBo and Craw. I wouldn't bet the house on 40.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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9/15/2009  6:02 AM
Anything's possible but this isn't likely. What needs to happen for the Knicks to win forty is first, a very good trade, second, Gallinari showing that he is a player worthy of his draft status and third, Chandler continuing to improve.
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9/16/2009  6:52 PM
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If Gallinari is as good as they say he is and Douhon gets help they can win 40 games and make the play-offs.
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9/22/2009  4:07 PM
This topic needs to be brought back to the top!

I think we need to go with this starting lineup:

PG-Duhon
SG-Chandler
SF-Gallo
PF-Lee
C-Darko or Curry doesn't matter to me really

Al, Nate, Hughes (Curry if Darko starts)

Al and Nate off the bench would provide a great scoring punch. Mark my words. The Knicks are gonna shock and surprise people this year. We have size, scoring and I think our D will improve a bit this year. Enough to allow the team to get near .500. We were a top 5 team in terms of scoring, but awful on D. If we make any improvement at all on D, this team is gonna win games. It's not a bad team overall, as many analysts seem to think. They played poorly last year, but this team is not exactly the same as last year as they keep saying. The difference is size and depth. We've got players who are versatile enough to cover every position adequately. Show me where we have a whole in the lineup!!!

This team is gonna be in that race for one of the last playoff spots IMO.
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9/22/2009  4:25 PM
Nope. GKF's first post sums it up. Each position is, at best, middle of the road. I don't really have a great handle on the rest of the league's roster, but it wouldn't surprise me if the in the overwhelming majority of games the other team has the best player on the court and sometimes maybe the best two or three. The improvement will have to come from somewhere, and I don't think Gallo, Darko, and rookies means 8+ wins.
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9/22/2009  7:15 PM
Envision a game against any team in the league. Pick one at random.

Supreme is correct...

If you take the 28 players from both combined rosters and you are allowed to select a team with any combination of them... more than likely the top 3 players you pick will be from the other team, and not the Knicks.

That doesn't bode well for us winning half our games.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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9/22/2009  7:45 PM
You guys r missing a key point. This team was a minus 2.5 I believe on avg. I feel a great deal of that was the changes, lack of size and talent not being all the way there yet. The thing is that we went 14-14 in the Games Gallo played. This year we'll have a much improved Gallo plus more size and depth. Also no changes to disrupt the chemistry.

It's not just about not having stars with this team. Our best talent is still developing so right now it Looks like we don't match up, but against a lot of teams we will match up.
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9/22/2009  7:45 PM
You guys r missing a key point. This team was a minus 2.5 I believe on avg. I feel a great deal of that was the changes, lack of size and talent not being all the way there yet. The thing is that we went 14-14 in the Games Gallo played. This year we'll have a much improved Gallo plus more size and depth. Also no changes to disrupt the chemistry.

It's not just about not having stars with this team. Our best talent is still developing so right now it Looks like we don't match up, but against a lot of teams we will match up.
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9/23/2009  3:41 PM
With the resigning of Nate another point was brought home. Our team isn't top heavy with stars, but it's deep with good solid talent. We're talking about adding Gallo, Darko, Curry, TD and maybe even Hill and another training camp tryout. This team is gonna have a good deal more to bring to the table this year and i'm tired of reading that somehow this team is the same! HOW IS IT THE SAME?

We didn't have Curry, Gallo for only 28 partial games, we didn't have a real center all year and we didn't have a backup PG. Now we'll be another year wiser in this system. We'll have Gallo and Chan a bit more experienced and confident. We'll have much more size than last year!!! We now have 3 additional bigs!!!

We're talking about 8 games! That is not a lot of improvement. Not when you factor in all the changes last year that led to more losses than we should've had. I have yet to hear a compelling argument to refute the fact that this team was playing well and then had major adjustments to make after losing it's two top players. If you don't think that had something to do with the final record your just plain being obtuse.
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9/23/2009  4:29 PM
Posted by nixluva:

With the resigning of Nate another point was brought home. Our team isn't top heavy with stars, but it's deep with good solid talent. We're talking about adding Gallo, Darko, Curry, TD and maybe even Hill and another training camp tryout. This team is gonna have a good deal more to bring to the table this year and i'm tired of reading that somehow this team is the same! HOW IS IT THE SAME?

We didn't have Curry, Gallo for only 28 partial games, we didn't have a real center all year and we didn't have a backup PG. Now we'll be another year wiser in this system. We'll have Gallo and Chan a bit more experienced and confident. We'll have much more size than last year!!! We now have 3 additional bigs!!!

We're talking about 8 games! That is not a lot of improvement. Not when you factor in all the changes last year that led to more losses than we should've had. I have yet to hear a compelling argument to refute the fact that this team was playing well and then had major adjustments to make after losing it's two top players. If you don't think that had something to do with the final record your just plain being obtuse.

You are the same dude that said the Knicks were going places with Isiah. I think you need to put down the Kool Aid just a bit and be realistic with your predictions. It's one thing to "hang your ass", it's another to just say stuff like "we are loaded with talent, we can improve 8 games, it's easy!!" when it's not the truth. The Knicks are in the bottom portion of the 10 worst teams in the NBA. Until one of their guys has a break out season, it will remain that way.
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9/23/2009  5:34 PM
Good stuff guys.

Let's keep expectations lowwwwww.

Better to be pleasantly surprised as a pessimist then bitterly dissapointed as an optimist.

There won't be many games where the best player on our team would even be 2nd or 3rd best player on another team.

It's a fun game to play actually.

Who is the best player on our team anyway?

Lee? Nate? Harrington? Chandler?

I personally think it will be The Rooster!
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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9/23/2009  10:16 PM
GKFv2, I never predicted that the team would win a title so how can u bash me as if I was the only fan or analyst who looked at the team and expected it should win about half their games and make the playoffs these last few years?

Predicting failure for a weak team is easy. I still feel the team underachiever under Zeke. MDA could've had quite a few more wins if the team stayed the same, but the moves were necessary for our future. I wasn't wrong about the talent Zeke had being able to play better cuz MDA proved they could play much better. Until the trades he had the team playing up to their potential. So suck on that!
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9/24/2009  6:46 AM
I'd say possible, but not likely. Contributions from Gallo and Curry could boost our record. Some of the other young players could also help.
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9/24/2009  7:53 AM
The bottomline to this team winning more games is defense and efficiency. If Darko and Hill can help shoreup our interior defense and Gallo and Curry can improve our offensive efficiency, then winning 40 games is very realistic. I think Gallo and Darko are our two biggest additions. Even as a psuedo-rookie, Gallo should be able to score 13-14 pts at a decent percentage and give our second unit some additional fire power. In Darko, we finally have a 7 foot center that can rebound and defend and move on offense. If Darko can have a good camp and win the starting center spot, I think he will help our overall defense.
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9/24/2009  9:21 AM
Posted by TheGame:

The bottomline to this team winning more games is defense and efficiency. If Darko and Hill can help shoreup our interior defense and Gallo and Curry can improve our offensive efficiency, then winning 40 games is very realistic. I think Gallo and Darko are our two biggest additions. Even as a psuedo-rookie, Gallo should be able to score 13-14 pts at a decent percentage and give our second unit some additional fire power. In Darko, we finally have a 7 foot center that can rebound and defend and move on offense. If Darko can have a good camp and win the starting center spot, I think he will help our overall defense.

That's very true. Gallo is such a good shooter and at his size on the court it's gonna help. Gallo and Darko are two guys that fill needs nicely. I think fans should also have more faith in MDA! If u give him guys with solid NBA skills he's gonna get them playing at a higher level. His history has shown that his teams improve under him, so why should this be any different?

Unlike last year I fully expect this team to get better as the yr goes on. A big plus is the depth we'll have and the versatility of our players. See there isn't any dropoff from our starters to our bench. We may not have any superstars, but we have a lot of pretty good players.
All we need is what Game said improvement in efficiency and defense!
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