Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by djsunyc:

your guys views of franchise players is downright ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? Bosh, Amare are all extra-talented role players. They don't possess the mental fortitude or capacity to lead a team to victory.

I would cut down JrZhUstLa's list a little more-- taking Roy and Paul off.

Posted by djsunyc:

just curious but what makes brandon roy any more of a franchise player than joe johnson?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by djsunyc:

just curious but what makes brandon roy any more of a franchise player than joe johnson?

Roy is on a much better team, and will have a much better career than Johnson. I know you can't take this away from some of the guys that are on bad teams, but being a franchise player is similar to the MVP race. You have to be on a good team/contender.

And yes, Portland is a contender for the West.

imho, portland is no more of a contending team than atlanta.

You don't find 54-28 in the Western Conference compared to 47-35 in the East different ? Portland has a decent chance to be the 2nd seed in the West, which makes them a contender. Atlanta is looking at a 4-7 seed in the East.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 09-09-2009 2:18 PM]

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by NYKBocker:

Taxes in Toronto will deter FAs from signing with the Raptors. Miami is a diff animal. You have DWade, Riley and the Miami landscape to attract players. Although, Heat fans are a little fickle and does not really support their team regularly.

This is where cities like NY, LA, CHI and BOS have advantages over other NBA cities.

Location, Location, Location.

If ObamaCare passes, taxes in Toronto will seem like a joke.

Posted by djsunyc:

[quote]Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

You don't find 54-28 in the Western Conference compared to 47-35 in the East different ? Portland has a decent chance to be the 2nd seed in the West, which makes them a contender. Atlanta is looking at a 4-7 seed in the East.

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

To use monetary standards to determine franchise players is foolish.

My standards are strictly based on basketball talent and leadership. That's what being a franchise player is all about. Yao Ming probably was #1 at one point in jersey sales because of the Chinese population and the basketball interest they have. That doesn't make him a franchise guy.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

To use monetary standards to determine franchise players is foolish.

My standards are strictly based on basketball talent and leadership. That's what being a franchise player is all about. Yao Ming probably was #1 at one point in jersey sales because of the Chinese population and the basketball interest they have. That doesn't make him a franchise guy.

to the houston rockets, he is a franchise guy. outside of lebron, who else does more for their franchise than yao ming? talent and leadership is subjective to opinion. wins + losses are not based on 1 player but based on a group of players and a head coach.

ewing averaged like 28ppg in 1989 for the knicks that won 40 something games. his team also got swept in the first round in 1990. was he a franchise player then or after riley came aboard? b/c he was a better player in 1989 than he was in 1994 but his team fared better, not b/c of him but b/c of the coach and his teammates.

i agree there are different levels of players in the league. there are creme of the crop players, second tier, and third tier. but i feel *franchise* players are littered throughout those top 3 tiers and not just the selective few. dirk nowitski is a franchise player too. so is steve nash...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-09-2009 2:31 PM]

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by orangeblobman:

[quote]Posted by Nalod:

Taxes go up but your not buying health insurance anymore.

No, I am. I mean, if i want private insurance, I can pay for it. But I still have to pay in ObamaCare. How is that fair? No thanks on keeping worthless individuals alive, the ones that don't contribute, but rather destroy, our society. Thank you, thank you very much. Keep that in mind.

Did you read My Mampf by Hitler?
He has the same rational ideas as you.
We all know were they will get all of us.





[Edited by - arkrud on 09-09-2009 3:19 PM]

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by NYKBocker:

Taxes in Toronto will deter FAs from signing with the Raptors. Miami is a diff animal. You have DWade, Riley and the Miami landscape to attract players. Although, Heat fans are a little fickle and does not really support their team regularly.

This is where cities like NY, LA, CHI and BOS have advantages over other NBA cities.

Location, Location, Location.

If ObamaCare passes, taxes in Toronto will seem like a joke.

You right wing wackos crack me up.

Now bonn, be polite. I believe they prefer to be called "Teabaggers".

Bonn, I understand that you're a half-baked intellectual at a lower-level university -- Still, you don't have to display your childish heart-bleed-liberal values ever where you go. I get enough of you types at the train station...with the tiny glasses, old shoes, and bad short-sleeve button shirts. You might be a PhD (though that has lost some weight in recent decades), but you're still weak at heart.

dude, enough already.

Bonnie, no need to respond to this crap. I'll take care of it.

Bonn, I understand that you're a half-baked intellectual at a lower-level university -- Still, you don't have to display your childish heart-bleed-liberal values ever where you go. I get enough of you types at the train station...with the tiny glasses, old shoes, and bad short-sleeve button shirts. You might be a PhD (though that has lost some weight in recent decades), but you're still weak at heart.