HARDCORE: Here is the thing. Van Horn is basically another Allan Houston. Cannot defend and not an excellent ball handler. He is not shooting so well right now but his FG% from the years past (never below 44% after 1998) lead me to believe that he will start to shoot better.

His contract is insane, can't argue that but he has more potential than what he is showing right now. As for his TO's, Allan Houston and Charlie Ward are close behind. He is not my boy but I definately dont hate him as much as I hate some of the other players.

Posted by Silverfuel:

HARDCORE: Here is the thing. Van Horn is basically another Allan Houston. Cannot defend and not an excellent ball handler. He is not shooting so well right now but his FG% from the years past (never below 44% after 1998) lead me to believe that he will start to shoot better.

His contract is insane, can't argue that but he has more potential than what he is showing right now. As for his TO's, Allan Houston and Charlie Ward are close behind. He is not my boy but I definately dont hate him as much as I hate some of the other players.

Well IMO KVH, Spoon, Othella and Eisley gotta go. Most of them (all except Othella) have bad contrtacts that kill our cap for years. We need players that add to the repertoire of needed skills on the team. We need players with offensive abilities and that are defensively sound. We need more athletic playerswho have some fire.

If we trade and/or leave them exposed for the expansion draft, we'll be in a better situation to aquire some of the skills we lack rosterwise.

BTW I know you're not a member of the KVH fanclub. LOL Don't worry.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 12/15/2003 16:53:15]

sometimes balance FAR outweighs the value of the player.

The Bos/Cle trade is a perfect example. Cle gets fleeced from a talent perspective, but watch, Cle will benefit from this trade and it was a smart trade. They have some nice flashy pieces, they have some nice scorers in James, Wagner (soon), Miles...

What they need is a couple of blue collar guys to play d and work the boards. Battie and Williams are the perfect pros for that team and for Silas. Also they say goodbuy to a headache in Ricky.

EVERY trade Layden has made has been bad. The KVH trade is terrible. NOT because Spree is so much better, but because KVH wasnt going to help this team, and Layden wasnt going to give him what he needs to succeed.

This is a terrible roster because the none of the parts compliment each other. Shandon looks so great because he's the only player with a different game than everyone else on the roster.

Getting KVH was a good move, the problem is we traded the wrong guy(s) for him. Think about how different this team would be if we traded Thomas and Ward for KVH to play PF (yes, his natural position).
pg Eisley
sg Houston
sf Sprewell
pf KVH
c Deke
THAT would have been a nice line up, especially in the East. Then when McDyess comes back your bringing Anderson and either Spree or KVH off the bench, with plenty of minutes to go around there. You have size, great speed, an extra playmaker, slashers, shooters. I nice mix.

Except for the obviously bad contracts there are a lot of good players on this roster. The problem is none of them fit together and its pretty obvious why (except to our GM).

Posted by playa2:

Hey doesn't ward AND houston have more turnovers than KVH?

Ward is very close (I think 3 TO's away ) and Houston is 9 TO's away from Van Horn but Houston has played a lot less games. Van Horn is not that bad.