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babyKnicks
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9/7/2009  2:24 PM
I'd like Amare or boozer and then toss in melo for a title.

If Denver sucks this year and blinks at the trading deadline Amare and he can deliver us a title.

Even with Gallo, Chandler, hill and Douglas.
Imagine rubio, melo, gallo, boozer and hill running to the title in 2011?
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9/7/2009  2:39 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I think the reality is if you don't hit the Lebron jackpot, you have to depend somewhat on building from within in addition to adding the right pieces. This is what Orlando did, adding Rashard and Hedo to Dwight/Jameer. Can Gallo/Chandler/Hill be quite as good? Maybe not, but if they come along the way you expect and you add two solid quality vets that should create a solid contending core for about 4-5 seasons.

i disagree... we don't need to necessarily win the Lebron jackpot to realistically contend for a title in the coming years... Lebron hasn't led his team to any titles as of yet, so if other teams can build championship contenders w/o him, why can't we? like the previous poster said, if we get a max FA in 2010 & then target another in 2011, we can field a championship calibre roster with or w/o Lebron James... not getting Lebron will not be the end of the world.
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9/7/2009  3:30 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

What was the celtics record before Garnett and crew? What position did they draft?

If that doesn't make them scrubs what does?

You add a superstar and two supporters to a team. They can make a run.

He did it with spree and theat other guy in minny.

We add a star to this crew and we're in the mix. Any of the crew steps up then we are a contender.

The celts sucked and they were scrubs. They had the worst record in the league (worst than the 23 win knicks)

What was Minny's record before the trade? Seattle's? by your logic KG and Ray were scrubs at the time.

Furthermore the Knicks must all be scrubs too. How does adding a star to this group equal success?
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9/7/2009  3:32 PM
Posted by TMS:


i disagree... we don't need to necessarily win the Lebron jackpot to realistically contend for a title in the coming years... Lebron hasn't led his team to any titles as of yet, so if other teams can build championship contenders w/o him, why can't we?

because the Knicks don't draft well
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9/7/2009  6:11 PM
Same way adding kg and two supporters to the celtics did.

The knicks are better than the celtics pre-KG in record alone.

We add a kg to the knicks we content. We add KG and Ray Allen. We win a title.

Just looking at recent history.

If lebron came to the knicks same current team we'd be the cavs.

No title but close.

Just don't feel the celtics were necessarily burning up the league with talent in last place.

You disagree. You feel last place means talent I suppose.
Posted by McK1:
Posted by babyKnicks:

What was the celtics record before Garnett and crew? What position did they draft?

If that doesn't make them scrubs what does?

You add a superstar and two supporters to a team. They can make a run.

He did it with spree and theat other guy in minny.

We add a star to this crew and we're in the mix. Any of the crew steps up then we are a contender.

The celts sucked and they were scrubs. They had the worst record in the league (worst than the 23 win knicks)

What was Minny's record before the trade? Seattle's? by your logic KG and Ray were scrubs at the time.

Furthermore the Knicks must all be scrubs too. How does adding a star to this group equal success?

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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9/7/2009  6:22 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by TMS:


i disagree... we don't need to necessarily win the Lebron jackpot to realistically contend for a title in the coming years... Lebron hasn't led his team to any titles as of yet, so if other teams can build championship contenders w/o him, why can't we?

because the Knicks don't draft well

u telling me if u added Bosh and Melo to this current core of Hill, Gallo, Douglas, Chandler and say 1 other midlevel PG acquisition this team wouldnt be a legit championship contender in 2011/2012? Melo and Chauncey gave the Lakers all they could handle in the WCF last year and u cant tell me we dont have players every bit as good as guys like Birdman, Kleiza and Kmart right now.
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9/7/2009  6:42 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by TMS:


i disagree... we don't need to necessarily win the Lebron jackpot to realistically contend for a title in the coming years... Lebron hasn't led his team to any titles as of yet, so if other teams can build championship contenders w/o him, why can't we?

because the Knicks don't draft well

u telling me if u added Bosh and Melo to this current core of Hill, Gallo, Douglas, Chandler and say 1 other midlevel PG acquisition this team wouldnt be a legit championship contender in 2011/2012? Melo and Chauncey gave the Lakers all they could handle in the WCF last year and u cant tell me we dont have players every bit as good as guys like Birdman, Kleiza and Kmart right now.

If Bosh signs for the max in 010, there will be no chance of signing Melo to the max in 011. What are the Knicks gonna do, keep signing guys to 1 year contracts every year and renounce them? The same way free agents of worth balked at the notion this summer, they'll balk at the notion next summer. People want job security; 1 yr deals don't offer that.
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9/7/2009  6:45 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

Same way adding kg and two supporters to the celtics did.

The knicks are better than the celtics pre-KG in record alone.

We add a kg to the knicks we content. We add KG and Ray Allen. We win a title.

Just looking at recent history.

If lebron came to the knicks same current team we'd be the cavs.

No title but close.

Just don't feel the celtics were necessarily burning up the league with talent in last place.

You disagree. You feel last place means talent I suppose.
Posted by McK1:
Posted by babyKnicks:

What was the celtics record before Garnett and crew? What position did they draft?

If that doesn't make them scrubs what does?

You add a superstar and two supporters to a team. They can make a run.

He did it with spree and theat other guy in minny.

We add a star to this crew and we're in the mix. Any of the crew steps up then we are a contender.

The celts sucked and they were scrubs. They had the worst record in the league (worst than the 23 win knicks)

What was Minny's record before the trade? Seattle's? by your logic KG and Ray were scrubs at the time.

Furthermore the Knicks must all be scrubs too. How does adding a star to this group equal success?

Celts had Paul Pierce and added KG and Ray through trade. We don't even have a Paul Pierce.

And Lebron coming to the Knicks does not make NY the 66 win Cavs. That team was a top 5 defensively, NY is way at the other end of that spectrum.
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9/7/2009  6:46 PM
we already have the cap space to sign a max guy in 2010. when fishlips and Curry come off the books we will have the room to add another in 2011.
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9/7/2009  6:48 PM
Bosh signs a max contract at around $16 mil per (or whatever it turns out to be) and we have $18 mil coming off the cap (Jeffries and Curry) the following summer. I don't see why wouldn't have as much cap space in 2011 as we'll have in 2010. I'm sure we could trade 1 of our guys on rookie contracts plus cash considerations to a team with cap space in exchange for a future 1st round pick if we needed to free up about $3 or 4 mil anyway.
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9/7/2009  6:51 PM
ok can somebody please count how many people wil be under contract once everbody that has to be renounced is renounced to have room to sign Bosh.

What Walsh needed to do is what Thorn did which was fill out the roster with several guys on rookie scales. Then rolling over capspace for 010 and 011 would work. Unfortunately that is not NY's situation. NY is going to have to fill out the roster with several free agents in 010 to get up to the league mandatory 13 players on a roster.

[Edited by - McK1 on 09-07-2009 7:00 PM]
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9/7/2009  7:10 PM
Great point. Forgot about pierce. But they still were horrible.
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Posted by babyKnicks:

Same way adding kg and two supporters to the celtics did.

The knicks are better than the celtics pre-KG in record alone.

We add a kg to the knicks we content. We add KG and Ray Allen. We win a title.

Just looking at recent history.

If lebron came to the knicks same current team we'd be the cavs.

No title but close.

Just don't feel the celtics were necessarily burning up the league with talent in last place.

You disagree. You feel last place means talent I suppose.
Posted by McK1:
Posted by babyKnicks:

What was the celtics record before Garnett and crew? What position did they draft?

If that doesn't make them scrubs what does?

You add a superstar and two supporters to a team. They can make a run.

He did it with spree and theat other guy in minny.

We add a star to this crew and we're in the mix. Any of the crew steps up then we are a contender.

The celts sucked and they were scrubs. They had the worst record in the league (worst than the 23 win knicks)

What was Minny's record before the trade? Seattle's? by your logic KG and Ray were scrubs at the time.

Furthermore the Knicks must all be scrubs too. How does adding a star to this group equal success?

Celts had Paul Pierce and added KG and Ray through trade. We don't even have a Paul Pierce.

And Lebron coming to the Knicks does not make NY the 66 win Cavs. That team was a top 5 defensively, NY is way at the other end of that spectrum.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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9/7/2009  7:20 PM
If and when we flub the lebron sweepstakes I can see us adding a boozer/Amare type and Possibly resigning Nate and lee.

But, for some reason, I see melo coming to ny when Denver doesn't get past the lakers and are ousted in the second round.

Curry and jeffries are gone $18

I think we match $6 mill per for harrington.

And if not rubio, a serviceable journeyman PG.

That's:
serviceable pg
Chandler
melo
gallo
hill

but looking at this there is no way we are keeping Chandler.

Hmmm.

Gallo is the tough fit because I see no reason to keep lee if he blossoms.

Would love to send lee to Utah for boozer and package Nate for that serviceable pg.

Hmmm.

Gotta go kool aid.

No lebron:
Douglas
Chandler
Gallo
Boozer *new*
Hill

Nate, Lee, harrington :-)

apologies for the non knowledge. Labor day. :)
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9/7/2009  8:30 PM
knicks will sign whomever they are lucky enough to convince to play in ny. it is yet to be seen whether ny is a prime destination for high caliber nba free agents...
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9/7/2009  8:54 PM
it is yet to be seen whether ny is a prime destination for high caliber nba free agents...
you could say that about every city
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9/7/2009  9:06 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
it is yet to be seen whether ny is a prime destination for high caliber nba free agents...
you could say that about every city

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9/8/2009  9:16 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:

I think the reality is if you don't hit the Lebron jackpot, you have to depend somewhat on building from within in addition to adding the right pieces. This is what Orlando did, adding Rashard and Hedo to Dwight/Jameer. Can Gallo/Chandler/Hill be quite as good? Maybe not, but if they come along the way you expect and you add two solid quality vets that should create a solid contending core for about 4-5 seasons.

i disagree... we don't need to necessarily win the Lebron jackpot to realistically contend for a title in the coming years... Lebron hasn't led his team to any titles as of yet, so if other teams can build championship contenders w/o him, why can't we? like the previous poster said, if we get a max FA in 2010 & then target another in 2011, we can field a championship calibre roster with or w/o Lebron James... not getting Lebron will not be the end of the world.

That's sort of what I said in my post- that you can build a contender without Lebron if you add 2-3 of the right pieces to a developed core, i.e. as they did with Rashard/Hedo to Dwight/Jameer. I'm not sure the kids we are drafting and developing will be quite as good, but they have time.
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9/8/2009  11:46 AM
I really feel good about the teams young players getting a chance to shine this year. I don't think they're gonna disappoint us. I think Darko was a smart pickup cuz this is the right kind of system for him to play in. They've been trying to make him into an American style C and he's not.

Having 3 real bigs this year is gonna help a lot. We don't have to force Lee to play against big C's all year. Plus Darko can step out and hit some shots and as he develops so can Hill. Don't underestimate the impact these guys can have. By 2010 this team will have a much better look and feel. FA's will feel differently about this team as a destination.
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Posted by nixluva:

I really feel good about the teams young players getting a chance to shine this year. I don't think they're gonna disappoint us. I think Darko was a smart pickup cuz this is the right kind of system for him to play in. They've been trying to make him into an American style C and he's not.

Having 3 real bigs this year is gonna help a lot. We don't have to force Lee to play against big C's all year.

you do know Mike D'Antoni is the coach right. David Lee will play 40 minutes and guard the 5 spot
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9/8/2009  5:26 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nixluva:

I really feel good about the teams young players getting a chance to shine this year. I don't think they're gonna disappoint us. I think Darko was a smart pickup cuz this is the right kind of system for him to play in. They've been trying to make him into an American style C and he's not.

Having 3 real bigs this year is gonna help a lot. We don't have to force Lee to play against big C's all year.
you do know Mike D'Antoni is the coach right. David Lee will play 40 minutes and guard the 5 spot
Not with Darko on the team. MDA is no fool. He's got a guy that has true center size, but can also pass and shoot. He's gonna play. Lee will see fewer minutes at the C spot. People really have an off base view of Darko's talent level. He's not as bad as people tend to think. I think he'll have a resurgence on this team.
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