Carlos Arroyo is a failed NBA experiment. He's a backup player. He had his chance to shine and he failed. He's no better than Duhon at this point and I'm being honest with you. They are both backup PG's. The difference is Arroyo will be a backup on the Clips. Duhon will still be starting.

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Carlos Arroyo is a failed NBA experiment. He's a backup player. He had his chance to shine and he failed. He's no better than Duhon at this point and I'm being honest with you. They are both backup PG's. The difference is Arroyo will be a backup on the Clips. Duhon will still be starting.

might both be back-ups man but Arroyo is still better. Duhon just doesn't do what point guards are supposed to do...it keeps me up at night man I tell ya!

Busting USA's ass!!!

Posted by GKFv2:

Carlos Arroyo is a failed NBA experiment. He's a backup player. He had his chance to shine and he failed. He's no better than Duhon at this point and I'm being honest with you. They are both backup PG's. The difference is Arroyo will be a backup on the Clips. Duhon will still be starting.

Ohh, and the Clips rumor was just that, a rumor. Signed by the Knicks, Arroyo would easily take the starting role from Duhon. Easily!

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Posted by GKFv2:

Carlos Arroyo is a failed NBA experiment. He's a backup player. He had his chance to shine and he failed. He's no better than Duhon at this point and I'm being honest with you. They are both backup PG's. The difference is Arroyo will be a backup on the Clips. Duhon will still be starting.

Ohh, and the Clips rumor was just that, a rumor. Signed by the Knicks, Arroyo would easily take the starting role from Duhon. Easily!

DUDE, Arroyo >> Duhon (much greater than)

We definitely agree.

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Posted by GKFv2:

Carlos Arroyo is a failed NBA experiment. He's a backup player. He had his chance to shine and he failed. He's no better than Duhon at this point and I'm being honest with you. They are both backup PG's. The difference is Arroyo will be a backup on the Clips. Duhon will still be starting.

Talk about ignorance. You probably have seen the guy play once or twice in your life, seen that he hasn't been given a chance to start in the NBA and called him a failure. Its this mindset that drives everybody else around the world mad about NBA fans and makes it so great when their USA Teams are beaten. Arroyo, as Eny mentioned before, was last season in the Israeli league and was the MVP while driving them to a championship. Now, Im not comparing leagues as the NBA is clearly superior, but it still is dependent to the style most coaches want to play. This may be the reason why most coaches have overseen Arroyo's talent and relegated him to just another bench player.

I've followed Arroyo very closely and because of that I know a lot about him. You can see how good a guy really is when you see his impact on his team. Arroyo is one of those PGs that really organizes the offense and runs it so well that when he goes out his team's level goes down with him. The guy can take his man off the dribble, penetrate at will, create for himself and for others and is a very good shooter from all ranges. When in charge of a team you can see how his game grows to the challenge.

Simply put, the guy has the talent but hasn't had the real shot at leading a team. He isn't the star or main focus of a team, don't get me wrong. But he could easily be the starting PG of a solid and contending team, especially one that plays our style, that is more similar to the international game.

No, actually, you're wrong. I watch Euroleague basketball because I'm Greek. I've seen him play both in the NBA and in Europe. I have never seen anything out of him that merits him a starting PG position. Nothing in his play or his number here when given significant time show that he is capable of being a strong starting PG in the NBA.

Look, a lot of guys have talent. To say he never had a real shot when in 6 of his 10 NBA seasons he got 17 minutes or more (including 28 while starting for Utah) is false. He had his shot. There are some players who have talent and play well overseas but they just can't cut it out in the NBA. I know. I've seen a lot of them suck in the NBA and come to the Greek league and play well (Qyntel Woods for one). Arroyo to suck in the NBA. He was mainly used as a backup because he never showed any coach that he was worthy of starting and never showed consistency on the court to remain one. I, too, know my fair share about Arroyo, among other European players. Arroyo is not a starting PG in the NBA. Not in the past, not in the present and not in the future.

I won't discuss perspectives because we will reach send closk and nobody will agree with the other. I know how you post. You see a lot of international games, maybe, but by your response I can see you haven't seen a lot of Carlos Arroyo or at least you haven't as much as I have. Its funny you mention he has averaged a certain amount of minutes and still couldn't make it in the NBA. Things aren't as simple as that. The NBA is about names more than anything, and it isn't only a case of Arroyo that good talents finds no chance in the NBA because other names hold certain positions hostage, even if they are at their downside of their careers. Coaches also have a great input in who plays and doesn't. I remember in his Utah days, Arroyo started earning lots of props around the league and many called for him to have more playing time. Utah was in an unlikely and exciting playoff run against Denver and one of the biggest reasons was Arroyo leading the way. But back then, there were certain issues between Sloan and Arroyo that got him out of Utah. Since then, he hasn't gotten a chance.

Have you seen the latest FIBA championship going on in PR right now? Don't know if ESPN is showing them but we've gotten all of them here, of course, and the play has been great. Scola leading Argentina. Varejao and Splitter leading Brasil. Villanueva leading Dominican Republic, just to name a few. PR is playing Brasil, a team they beat friday night, for the gold. PR's run has been great and leading the way has been Arroyo. As my previous description, you can see how the team's play elevates with Arroyo on the court. The guy is a true PG with great scoring ability. I tell you' the Knicks can sign him for a 1 year deal and he would easily take the starting role from Duhon and play very solid in this style.

Its ok that you thing he is only a back-up, as some are more familiar with some players than others. As you say, a lot of guys have talent. I just think Arroyo is one of the many players that for reasons other than talent and execution hasn't been given a solid chance to show his talent in the NBA. Not only my opinion, but those who have followed him closely think it that way. But I respect your opinion. We'll see if he is considered to sign here. He would be a great short term addition, since thats the only thing Walsh is looking for right now.

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Arroyo brings the puerto ricans out the woodwork!

Arroyo would be great in NY, he would at the least be a solid point guard to come off the bench. Meanwhile, between The Italian Stallion and Arroyo we would have the entire Bronx covered in terms of atracting fans

Bronx? Brookyln too don't forget!!!

BTW....back-up? I want to replace Duhon like nobodies business...he is the worst point guard in all the land.

True, but in reality I think Arroyo is similar to Duhon in the sense that theyre both good back ups. I really cant see Arroyo being the starting PG of the future, though I would love to see him instead of Dookie

First of, if you say both Duhon and Arroyo are similar you don't know much about Arroyo's game. Just because he hasn't been given a real chance to start doesn't mean he is just a backup like Duhon. Now, point guard of the future is unfair because he is already a veteran. He's not a Rubio or another teenager or still in his early 20's. But he still has many years of service in him and could easily step into a starting spot and keep it while producing well if the team commits to him.

I said that theyre both similar in the sense that they are good back ups. I didnt say they have similar game. I like Arroyo but hes not the answer. Ill take him in the meantime tho for sure