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9/3/2009  3:04 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Briggs is so dumb he bought a solar powered flashlight

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9/3/2009  9:12 AM
Briggy,

With Due respect, why not put up a scenario that does not include Lebron and instead would be of the "Briggs" mode.

Serious, I think we should consider what happens the moment Lebron sends a love letter to the Cavs fans and states his love to stay.

I for one agree with the real rebuild with a franchise player and see that Donnie has done nothing to hinder that other than hire a great coach who is not gonna be a celler dweller. And since there is no point to doing that this year (Give it to Utah!) then we at 2010 anyway.

Using the expirings for big contract guys NOT wanted by current teams I don't agree with either. Boozer can be had, but Utah don't want long term contracts and Booze expires anyway also.

Its cool to say "no" to Lebron but what do we say "yes" to? HOw do we draft a franchise talent in the next two years?

ANd lets be real with the "Rain Man" repeating of Brook Lopez and Anthony Randolph as franchise players! That is still to be determined as is Gallo's ceiling.

No to Lebron?, but lay out a few scenarios you'd like to see or feel we could do better with.
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9/3/2009  9:31 AM
I still haven't had someone tell me what's wrong with this scenario

2010
No Lebron
Cap Space with more on the way
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.

I'm open minded so I will hop on the "why are we throwing all our eggs in one one basket bandwagon if someone can convince me". But when I see the results of no Lebron I don't really feel that my team will be painted into a corner. As a matter of fact it looks like a rebuilding team should look.

2010 Scenario 2(worries me)
No Lebron
Ramon Sessions
Lamar Odom(or the like)
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.
No cap space because you spent it on Ramon Sessions and Lamar Odom(or the like)

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-09-2009 09:31 AM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-09-2009 09:49 AM]
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9/3/2009  9:47 AM
I think Briggs has positioned himself nicely. If we don't get Lebron then we threw all our eggs in one basket and failed. If we do get Lebron, then we ruined the NBA by stealing Lebron from Cleveland(the team that really deserves him). I think Briggs has set himself up to be angry for the next 10 years. Good job!!
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9/3/2009  10:36 AM
Posted by nixluva:

OK from now on we must refer to our rebuild plan as the 2010 and 2011 plan cuz all the eggs won't be in the 2010 FA market. We'll also have options the next summer in 2011. I honestly get tired of media making it seem like all we've got is 2010.

Yup. Everyone forgets 2011... if we don't get LBJ, there is no need to panic. Just roll over the cap space. We still have Eddy and JJ coming off the books in 2011. So we will have money for two max guys in 2011. Or the option to take back more salary in trades.
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9/3/2009  10:46 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I still haven't had someone tell me what's wrong with this scenario

2010
No Lebron
Cap Space with more on the way
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.

I'm open minded so I will hop on the "why are we throwing all our eggs in one one basket bandwagon if someone can convince me". But when I see the results of no Lebron I don't really feel that my team will be painted into a corner. As a matter of fact it looks like a rebuilding team should look.

2010 Scenario 2(worries me)
No Lebron
Ramon Sessions
Lamar Odom(or the like)
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.
No cap space because you spent it on Ramon Sessions and Lamar Odom(or the like)

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-09-2009 09:31 AM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-09-2009 09:49 AM]

both of those scenarios are better than we have now.

also, Odom just signed a 3 or 4 yr deal with the Lakers.
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9/3/2009  11:19 AM
guys, don't forget 2021, lebron's kid is declaring that year...
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9/3/2009  11:29 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

guys, don't forget 2021, lebron's kid is declaring that year...

I'd rather have it in 2020 when Bargs kid declares.
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9/3/2009  11:29 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I still haven't had someone tell me what's wrong with this scenario

2010
No Lebron
Cap Space with more on the way
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.

I'm open minded so I will hop on the "why are we throwing all our eggs in one one basket bandwagon if someone can convince me". But when I see the results of no Lebron I don't really feel that my team will be painted into a corner. As a matter of fact it looks like a rebuilding team should look.

2010 Scenario 2(worries me)
No Lebron
Ramon Sessions
Lamar Odom(or the like)
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.
No cap space because you spent it on Ramon Sessions and Lamar Odom(or the like)

there's nothing to be convinced about. there are many ways to build a team, walsh has repeatedly stated 2010. what does that do? it tells the fanbase that next summer will be the major move for the knicks. it just so happens to be the biggest free agent summer in a while. so what do knick fans in turn do? they anticipate big things and anything less will be dissapointing. those that say 2011, 2012, etc are just saying that for sh ts and giggles b/c walsh has never uttered 2011 once.

there is no right side in this debate.
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9/3/2009  11:37 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

guys, don't forget 2021, lebron's kid is declaring that year...

I'd rather have it in 2020 when Bargs kid declares.

brilliantly, walsh has kept the cap clear in BOTH of those years. i think we're set for a very long time, fellas.
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9/3/2009  11:48 AM
It's mind-numbing to me how a select group of you view our current course of action as "putting all our eggs in one basket." Do you know how silly that sounds? What the hell does that mean anyway? Explain it to me. Please. Someone. Anyone. I guess it sounds like an interesting quote coming outta Chris Bosh's mouth, but regardless of who or what that fool was really talking about, I don't think that applies here. In fact, I know for a fact it doesn't..

Clearly since Walsh took the helm, the plan has been to clear a massive amount of cap room to be competitive in the free agent market as soon as possible. First off - BRAVO! Donnie for identifying that as the team's #1 priority & pretty much accomplishing that goal already more or less. Bottom line - you're crippled in the NBA if you're a team that has zero cap flexibility as we've all found out the hard way for years now. No problem at all for this Knick fan so far. Obviously then, the #1 target next summer is LeBron James, as it should be. He's all but made himself available and we'll have the cap room to offer him a max. contract. Think about that for a second. When's the last time we could say that??? This isn't some embarassing waste of time like when Isiah Thomas honestly thought he had a shot at landing Kobe Bryant as a FA a few years ago, knowing damn well he had nothing but the MLE and the 58 cents in his pocket to offer the man - the same MLE package he offered scrub extraordinaire Stromile Swift, an offer even a bum like that turned down. It was so embarrassing for me at the time that I remember thinking I couldn't believe Kobe even agreed to talk to Isiah. If I were Kobe, I would've been thinking, man, supposed I trip and fall outta the elevator on my way to meet this guy?? That's how much of a waste of time that whole thing was for everyone involved.. Anyway, our current position & outlook is nothing like that at all. Feels like we're light years removed from such foolishness. As of right now, we can honestly say with a straight face that we have the money to be competitve with every NBA team for the top free agents out there. The best of the best. As a Knick fan, this early in Donnie's recovery process, how can you not be excited about that?????? I'll speak for myself, it's damn refreshing to see a whole new outlook unfolding here before our very eyes. We're talking reality now, not fantasy-based Isiah Thomas pipe dreams here. Reality.

Hey, we'll be there with the offer. Then it'll be up to LeBron. If he comes great, NY pro basketball is instantly back on the map and we can all start enjoying local hoops again (well most of us anyway). If the man stays in Cleveland, what is it that some of you think will happen to all that cap room? With a LeBron rejection, does it somehow all of a sudden go up in smoke or something?? Of course it doesn't - it'll still be there to use in a variety of different ways, and with even more cap relief to follow after the following year.

So how do we "fail" exactly? I don't see how "failing" is even an option here. It's a win-win situation if there ever was one...

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-03-2009 12:41 PM]
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9/3/2009  11:48 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Bippity10:

I still haven't had someone tell me what's wrong with this scenario

2010
No Lebron
Cap Space with more on the way
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.

I'm open minded so I will hop on the "why are we throwing all our eggs in one one basket bandwagon if someone can convince me". But when I see the results of no Lebron I don't really feel that my team will be painted into a corner. As a matter of fact it looks like a rebuilding team should look.

2010 Scenario 2(worries me)
No Lebron
Ramon Sessions
Lamar Odom(or the like)
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.
No cap space because you spent it on Ramon Sessions and Lamar Odom(or the like)

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-09-2009 09:31 AM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-09-2009 09:49 AM]

both of those scenarios are better than we have now.

also, Odom just signed a 3 or 4 yr deal with the Lakers.

Odom(and the like) pay attention. The only reason I mentioned that name was because that was one of the players that briggs targeted a while back. That being said, I thank you for addressing the question, you are the first.
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9/3/2009  11:54 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

I still haven't had someone tell me what's wrong with this scenario

2010
No Lebron
Cap Space with more on the way
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.

I'm open minded so I will hop on the "why are we throwing all our eggs in one one basket bandwagon if someone can convince me". But when I see the results of no Lebron I don't really feel that my team will be painted into a corner. As a matter of fact it looks like a rebuilding team should look.

2010 Scenario 2(worries me)
No Lebron
Ramon Sessions
Lamar Odom(or the like)
Young players-2 lottery picks
Veterans with short reasonable contracts.
No cap space because you spent it on Ramon Sessions and Lamar Odom(or the like)

there's nothing to be convinced about. there are many ways to build a team, walsh has repeatedly stated 2010. what does that do? it tells the fanbase that next summer will be the major move for the knicks. it just so happens to be the biggest free agent summer in a while. so what do knick fans in turn do? they anticipate big things and anything less will be dissapointing. those that say 2011, 2012, etc are just saying that for sh ts and giggles b/c walsh has never uttered 2011 once.

there is no right side in this debate.

I think you are lumping. I think there are many of us that do not think we have any shot of getting Lebron but do feel it's worth it to take a shot. It's also doesn't make sense to deviate from that plan unless you are bringing in someone else that can really help you long-term.

Now what some fans are missing is that Walsh is not making decisions based on the potential disappointment level of fans. That's were fans make a mistake. They look at moves from their perspective not from a growth perspective. If you really pay attention to what he said and what he is doing you would notice the following:

1.) He is clearing cap space to make a legitimate run at a strong free-agent class and a shot at getting Lebron.
2.) If he does not pull it off everyone and their mother will be upset. Some babies will even jump off bridges
3.) If he can not pull it off he still will have cap space, short-term reasonable contracts and the ability to get a free-agent in 2011.

So, I do not think people are talking about 2011 for shiots and giggles. I think they are looking at it realistically. We all want Lebron. But if you can't get him, worst case scenario you have a young team, a high draft pick and millions more to spend in 2011. You aren't locked in to some faker free agent that you signed this year and can sign the same caliber player that year anyway. So what is the complaint? the complaint is that we aren't getting it NOW!!!
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9/3/2009  11:57 AM
walsh has repeatedly said 2010. there's no reason to even mention a year if the plan wasn't so. his actions of not signing david and nate speak to that.
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9/3/2009  11:59 AM
Posted by Finestrg:

It's mind-numbing to me how a select group of you view our current state of affairs as "putting all our eggs in one basket." Do you know how silly that sounds? What the hell does that mean anyway? Explain it to me. Please. Someone. Anyone.


Well, let's see. First you need some eggs. You get those at the store. And a nice sturdy basket. I'm not sure where you buy baskets these days. It seems like people don't use baskets as much as the used to. Anyway, once you've located a nice basket (you could try google), you put the eggs in there. Now all your eggs are in one basket.

It's interesting to note that when James Naismith invented basketball, he used Peach Baskets, and you had to actually get the ball out after each score. I suppose they could have put eggs in those baskets, but that would be awful messy. I suppose this explains the affinity many of us have for metaphors involving baskets.


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9/3/2009  12:03 PM
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hey, dog I'm serious Briggs, my man you are irrational as hell sometimes. You ok in the head, bruh? I'm not even trying to be funny my dude. I dunno, maybe I'm overreacting but something doesnt seem right with you when you keep repeating stuff and acting so unnecessary. Pop painkillers?

I mean we got you --- you dont want Lebron here for some strange ass reason. You think the 2010 plan is sending us to hell. Dont need to keep starting new threads about the same shyt, repeatedly.

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-02-2009 11:22 PM]

Sometimes people can't see the forest through the trees. I shouldn't have made the anti-Lebron thread--you're right--because he isnt or wasnt ever coming here anyway--and when it becomes clear that many of the top tier FA arent coming here and we are left holding our dck in our hands after 10 years of disaster---maybe you will get what I am saying. Darko rules
if thats true and we strike out on the FAs next year tell me again what the downside is to trying? What have we missed out on? Sessions? Odom? Ariza? Artest?

What? Two weeks ago you said you would "roll out the red carpet to get a star in here" like Lebron or DWade. Now your against the only feasable plan it would take to get one of them here, which is clear the cap space.

What gives?

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9/3/2009  12:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh has repeatedly said 2010. there's no reason to even mention a year if the plan wasn't so. his actions of not signing david and nate speak to that.

Here is what Donnie said after hiring D'antoni: "I feel New York should be in position every so often to go into the free-agent market," Walsh said. "We have to be an attractive franchise for those kinds of players."

Where does that say "2010 or bust" to you?

From the moment D'antoni was hired... 2011 was always mentioned as a possibility:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=dantonibronwalsh-080513
If Walsh can do it, then the real new beginning starts in 2010.


If not, Randolph, Curry, Jeffries and Crawford all come off the cap in the summer of 2011. That's when D'Antoni will be going into the fourth and final season of his contract, as will Walsh.


And James, if he decides not to opt out of the final season of his Cavs contract, will be only 26.


So take heart, Knicks fans. There is a plan, and the first pieces are in place.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/3/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh has repeatedly said 2010. there's no reason to even mention a year if the plan wasn't so. his actions of not signing david and nate speak to that.

Again, no one denies the 2010 plan. It's the plan. Let's forget about the other free-agents and also admit that lebron is the plan. But what a lot of people are missing is the difference between a good GM and a bad GM(maybe because we haven't had a seasoned well thought out GM in such a long time).

A bad GM. Has a plan. Throws all his resources towards that plan. He doesn't have a plan B so when his plan fails he is stuck with long-term contracts, no cap space, no flexibility and years of digging out of a hole.

A good GM is different. A good GM also has a plan that he throws all his resources towards. A good GM can also fail(they often do). But a good GM always has a back up plan. That way if their plan fails they aren't stuck with years of no flexibility. Walsh is going after Lebron. If he fails and Lebron signs elsewhere we still have years of cap space, short term contracts and young players. Only in NY is this a bad thing.

You ever notice how LA is always in the mix. Yes, they've had some down years but they always seem to hop back up and get back into it quickly. Why? Because they have had years of GM's that understand what I mentioned above. When Plan A fails it takes moments for them to recover. This is the exact position Walsh has us in right now.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-09-2009 12:37 PM]
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9/3/2009  12:35 PM
Sessions to me is a pro-active move. he is EASILY the most under rated FA that is left out there and can be had for $$$ we can afford to spend. I don't think we are doing enough to put him ina Knick uniform and if they had a change of heart--it's just another blunder by Knicks management over the last 10 years. If I recall Donnie Walsh helped run the Pacres into the ground before he left and the opther GM's just plain sck. We don't have a young aggresive GM like Colangelo--we have an older man set in his ways who just wants to get to FA and some retread GM back ups. It doesnt surprise me that they cant get the Sessions deal done and it doesnt suprise me that they are going to rely on Douglas as back up when he looked scared shtless to shoot the ball in SL.
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9/3/2009  12:38 PM
How can you want to steal Sessions from his team and the hometown bucks fans?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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