Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Thank God for the Yankees playing great, the NFL about to start and even the Undertaker returning to SmackDown, because its been a no-show offseason for the Knicks. It may be for their best, but man has this been a boring offseason?

Please don't tell me you still watch wrestling.

Haha, its entertainment, same as watching any scripted series. I like the dead man, gotta admit.

Raw is cool, but dont be staying at home on no friday nights to watch rasslin. Go out and have promiscuous sex or get robbed by knife point. There is a whole world out there, family!

As far as the thread, I'm getting tired of these stupid ass rumors dog. And just playing with the rumor who the hell are Minnesota fans to start getting all indignant about Lee and Nate. Rubio dont want to play for ya'll. Nobody wants to play for you. You suck. Lee and Nate are sure as hell better than nothing and outside of Al Jefferson they would be the two best players on the team. Timberfools fans trying to get all brave. haha.

Hear ya on fridays, thats why I catch it on saturdays, as they show it a lil later here. Early saturdays are kinda slow.

I also agree on T-Wolves fans. Its gonna be funny when they lose Rubio for practically nothing and Kahn may not even make it then so they can spill their hate over him. People would be killing management if this had happened in NY. But Kahn makes this and actually some praise him for picking two point guards. Give me a break. You think his value will be as high as it is? Lol

High Hopes... Get over it.

Posted by joec32033:

I am on my phone so it takes to much effort to link but if someone wants to RealGM reports from the Star Ledger that the only thing sources seem to doubt on the rumoured trade is the inclusion of Lee.

Here's the Realgm link:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/61388/20090901/report_knicks_making_last_push_for_rubio/#

Now as far as Lee's concerned - I wonder what side is shooting down Lee being included in the deal, us or Minnesota? If it's us, Walsh is crazy. I do this trade even if I couldn't orchestrate a buyout in year 1 or even in year 2. The buyout's gotta come down some next year right? You figure at least half. So let him play in Europe for a year. No biggie. As long as we got him. I even think LeBron would understand if Rubio didn't come to the Knicks for a year or two ('Bron would only have to wait 1 year to start playing with him in NY). In the meantime, we re-up Duhon or an equivalent stopgap PG for another year or 2. I really believe getting Rubio increases our chances of getting LeBron to wanna come play here.

And say it we're Chandler instead of Lee - now we'd have Lee available to pull off something with Portland -- again, I'd want Rudy Fernandez or Jerryd Bayless first and foremost, but even if we got Outlaw, Blake and a pick (hopefully), that wouldn't be terrible. Outlaw would replace Chandler for the time being (LeBron would also effectively replace Chandler if we got lucky enough to get him) and Blake could serve as another option we'd have to bridge the gap to Rubio joining the team if we chose to bring him back for the interim..

I think you gotta do this deal, even for Chandler. Gotta go for it. If this kid Rubio's anywhere near as good as they say, both he and LeBron would transform this team from 30 wins to instant elite status in no time. LeBron could probably do that all by himself anyway..

Only thing is, if the plan was to play Chandler at the 2, we'd have to really do our due diligence now and come up with a nice SG talent on the cheap somewhere to log some minutes there - something better than Morris Almond & Joe Crawford. Problem solved if we got the Blazers to cough up Fernandez, but I can't picture that (I don't think I'd give up on Fernandez if I were Pritchard). I named a few guys that I'd go after (guys I would've gone after anyway): Wesley Matthews, AD Vassallo, KC Rivers. These guys are just sitting there, waiting for phone calls..

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-01-2009 08:36 AM]

Posted by Markji:

Posted by joec32033:

I am on my phone so it takes to much effort to link but if someone wants to RealGM reports from the Star Ledger that the only thing sources seem to doubt on the rumoured trade is the inclusion of Lee.

I think there is a lot of talk going on with the Knicks. My guess of a trade that works is Rubio + Cardinal for Nate + Hill (or Chandler).

Minny makes out like a bandit as they dump Cardinal (expiring at $6.75 mil) for Nate and get Hill for Rubio. Hill should have been the 5th pick anyway made by Minny. Now instead of getting just Hill, Minny gets Hill plus Nate plus they dump one of the worst contracts in basketball. I'd prefer giving them Chandler over Hill because we have too many SF and Cardinal is a SF. I am not sure Donnie even would do this because Cardinal is really bad, but I am hoping.

Well, it'll have to be for Lee or Chandler, not Hill. Hill's my younger, more-talented replacement for Lee and that's that. I hope that's how they feel. I don't know about any of the Amar'e Stoudemire comparisions, but I like Hill a lot. I think he's the real deal and is gonna surprise a lot people right away. We need him moving forward. Younger, more talented than Lee and he's affordable for the time being. And with a Lee to Portland scenario, I could cover the loss of Chandler with either Rudy Fernandez or at the very least Travis Outlaw. If it were up to me, I'd go as far as giving Minny their pick of either a Lee or Chandler package along with a future 1st rounder. But no Jordan Hill. If we lost both Lee and Hill, with no 1st rounder next year to draft a replacement, that just leaves us way too thin up front moving forward..

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-01-2009 08:55 AM]

DW is going to trade for a guy that cant play for 2 years? Really? Every sports page is reporting its a done deal

Looks like Rubio might be on the verge of signing a 6-year deal with his new team, FC Barcelona. Press conference scheduled for 5pm, per Tommy Dee. Man, that sucks. Imagine what the price tag would be on a buyout with his new team if he signs that deal? If Rubio signs on the dotted line today, forget seeing him in the NBA for a long time. Suddenly Kahn looks like he's lost all his leverage. Gone. Poof, up in smoke. You figure the overall value of Rubio's rights would drop significantly if he signs that long-term deal today. I mean his rights would be basically worthless to an NBA team now. If this goes down, drafting Rubio 5th suddenly looks like a major miscalculation by Minnesota. Thank God for them they took Flynn 6th..

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/09/01/rubio-press-conference-scheduled/


Hey, I wonder if it's all a smokescreen -- I mean suppose it's all a ruse in order to get Kahn to dump him in a panic move. Man, that'd be a hoot wouldn't it? Imagine if 5 pm comes and goes today with no press conference..

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-01-2009 10:25 AM]

Kahn needs to salvage this quick. Go to the Rubio camp and present a sign-and-trade with the Knicks. This is the same crap that Fran Vasquez, another spaniard, did to Orlando. Rubio is not coming to the NBA once the Euro League money clamps on Little Ricky and his parents. Why be a small fish in a big pond when he can be a big fish in a small pond.

Hill and future number 1 and Nate should be more than enough to get the deal done. He wants to play in a major market and there are no major markets out there that have the assets or the time to take him.

This is from an article on Hoopsworld:

Rumors of a New York Knick trade offer that would include Nate Robinson and David Lee in a sign and trade seem to be baseless, although there is little doubt that the Knicks have interest in Rubio and that Rubio's camp may change direction if he landed with the Knicks – that just don't seem to be on the table according to league sources reached last night. Those sources said Joventut has accepted Barcelona's buyout offer so backtracking now seems improbable.

Wolves' fans are now questioning the logic behind giving up Mike Miller and Randy Foye to obtain the 5th pick that drafted Rubio, but the reality is that move was about shedding contract dollars and changing the culture of the team, not as much about Rubio.

The Timberwolves have just $35.8 million in guaranteed contracts next summer, and could be looking at anywhere from $15 to $23 million in cap space depending on how they handle their free agents and team options.

The Wolves have kept no secret that this was going to be a re-tooling and re-building year. The Rubio decision simply means Jonny Flynn will get all the minutes he can handle and is now firmly looked into the Rookie of The Year competition, as he'll get the Derrick Rose treatment for sure.

you'd have to think donnie's quiet & reluctant handling of the session situation might mean he has had an eye open for rubio all along... if donnie pulls this off with chandler, nate & pick for rubio and throws lee to portland for outlaw and fernandez he'd be nothing less of genius..

Oh please, enough with this Minnesota spin. Some of you guys are sounding like Minnesota PR agents.

First it was --- having Flynn and Rubio in the same backcourt is a great idea! Then when it looked like Rubio was going to go back to Spain for two years you guys were like: " well, they will still maintain that asset and if he plays well in Barcelona then they can get max value for him in two years." Now that it seems like Rubio is perfectly content to stay overseas for the forseeable future you guys are now saying: "well Rubio never mattered anyway, it was all about a salary dump"...LOL.

You mean to tell me they would rather have nothing then have, say, Hill or Stephan Curry? Those are assets! This guy is becoming the biggest douche in sports. Instead of doing the right thing and trading Rubio for assets, he wants to play tough guy and not do anything so he can safe face and not look like he made a mistake --- all the while spinning what looks like a huge miscalculation the whole way through.

Kahn was an ahole for drafting Rubio in the first place because it was all about blocking other teams from grabbing him. Now that they have no assets to show for the pick, he wants to hollar about cap space. Well guess what, the Timberfools can have a billion dollars in cap space, nobody is going to want to play in that cold ass city with no decent players.

Kahn will lose his job over this. LOL at having nothing to show for a #5 pick. Those things are precious resources in the NBA. No other draft is more important in any sport.


[Edited by - sebstar on 09-01-2009 3:10 PM]