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Do you think we can really win a championship with MDA
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knicks1248
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8/25/2009  12:28 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by knicks1248:

I think MDA is here for 5 years at the very least.

And again the argument is always that he came close with the suns.

Ahhh, sloan came close how many times. I think there has to be a balance no matter how you look at it, and I feel the coaching staff plays a huge role in that balance. I hate to use steph as a reference, but the one thing he said and emphasize about mike was his lack of detail to defense(no secret there). Now that can be look at as a bias statement, but when you ask the same players who played in the olympics all they ever rave about is his free flowing offense.

The Heat, LA, SA, pistons, celtics, will never be mistaken for run and gun teams that put up big numbers, yet those are the teams they have won it all in the last 10 years.

Mike loves his coaching staff so I don't see him changing anyone anytime soon, if ever. With no balance how do you win.

as evidence of MDA not engaging defensive schemes into his team you offer the word of Marbury? Not something like, I don't know, statistics?

Of all the players, you want to quote and take the word of Marbury?

It doesn't really matter who said it, it doesn't take a jordan to recognize when a coach doesn't emphasize defense 1st.

Marbury also said we wouldn't win a ring with childs or ward at the point.

Some mathematicians like to use stats to determine( see david lee) everything, but its not always like that in sports which is why I didn't post the statistical facts.

If we truely went soley on stats everyb ody would be a winner, just base your line up on the most winning formula
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8/25/2009  1:09 PM
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by martin:
Posted by knicks1248:

I think MDA is here for 5 years at the very least.

And again the argument is always that he came close with the suns.

Ahhh, sloan came close how many times. I think there has to be a balance no matter how you look at it, and I feel the coaching staff plays a huge role in that balance. I hate to use steph as a reference, but the one thing he said and emphasize about mike was his lack of detail to defense(no secret there). Now that can be look at as a bias statement, but when you ask the same players who played in the olympics all they ever rave about is his free flowing offense.

The Heat, LA, SA, pistons, celtics, will never be mistaken for run and gun teams that put up big numbers, yet those are the teams they have won it all in the last 10 years.

Mike loves his coaching staff so I don't see him changing anyone anytime soon, if ever. With no balance how do you win.

as evidence of MDA not engaging defensive schemes into his team you offer the word of Marbury? Not something like, I don't know, statistics?

Of all the players, you want to quote and take the word of Marbury?

It doesn't really matter who said it, it doesn't take a jordan to recognize when a coach doesn't emphasize defense 1st.

Marbury also said we wouldn't win a ring with childs or ward at the point.

Some mathematicians like to use stats to determine( see david lee) everything, but its not always like that in sports which is why I didn't post the statistical facts.

If we truely went soley on stats everyb ody would be a winner, just base your line up on the most winning formula

not for nothing, but this entire thread is about the obvious fact that MDA emphasizes offense over defense?

And nothing else? This is what you offer up here? Plus a Marbury quote?

thanks man.
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8/25/2009  1:32 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

I think MDA is here for 5 years at the very least.

And again the argument is always that he came close with the suns.

Ahhh, sloan came close how many times. I think there has to be a balance no matter how you look at it, and I feel the coaching staff plays a huge role in that balance. I hate to use steph as a reference, but the one thing he said and emphasize about mike was his lack of detail to defense(no secret there). Now that can be look at as a bias statement, but when you ask the same players who played in the olympics all they ever rave about is his free flowing offense.

The Heat, LA, SA, pistons, celtics, will never be mistaken for run and gun teams that put up big numbers, yet those are the teams they have won it all in the last 10 years.

Mike loves his coaching staff so I don't see him changing anyone anytime soon, if ever. With no balance how do you win.

Funny that you mention Sloan.

Is Sloan's failure to win it all as a coach a sign that hard nosed defense and pick and roll offense can't win championships?

OR that Michael Jordan's Bulls were good enough to defeat any team, any system.

Mike D'Antoni and just about every other coach in the NBA hasn't won squat. But people don't talk about Mike Brown's system not working or Stan Van Gundy's system not working.

The Celtics won because they had 3 players who at some point in their careers were near the best or the best at their positions and everyone on the team bought into what they were doing because the superstars did. Same goes with the Spurs. Same goes with the Bulls. Same goes with the Lakers. KG, Ray Allen, Pierce, Duncan, Ginobili, MJ, Pippen, Kobe all enforced things and kept players in line and working hard.

I really hope MDA finds that player who is both the best on his team and can btichslap everyone else on the team to buy into what he's trying to do and wins a championship so we can stop having illogical conversations about why this system or that system won't work.
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8/25/2009  3:09 PM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:
Posted by knicks1248:

I think MDA is here for 5 years at the very least.

And again the argument is always that he came close with the suns.

Ahhh, sloan came close how many times. I think there has to be a balance no matter how you look at it, and I feel the coaching staff plays a huge role in that balance. I hate to use steph as a reference, but the one thing he said and emphasize about mike was his lack of detail to defense(no secret there). Now that can be look at as a bias statement, but when you ask the same players who played in the olympics all they ever rave about is his free flowing offense.

The Heat, LA, SA, pistons, celtics, will never be mistaken for run and gun teams that put up big numbers, yet those are the teams they have won it all in the last 10 years.

Mike loves his coaching staff so I don't see him changing anyone anytime soon, if ever. With no balance how do you win.

Funny that you mention Sloan.

Is Sloan's failure to win it all as a coach a sign that hard nosed defense and pick and roll offense can't win championships?

OR that Michael Jordan's Bulls were good enough to defeat any team, any system.

Mike D'Antoni and just about every other coach in the NBA hasn't won squat. But people don't talk about Mike Brown's system not working or Stan Van Gundy's system not working.

The Celtics won because they had 3 players who at some point in their careers were near the best or the best at their positions and everyone on the team bought into what they were doing because the superstars did. Same goes with the Spurs. Same goes with the Bulls. Same goes with the Lakers. KG, Ray Allen, Pierce, Duncan, Ginobili, MJ, Pippen, Kobe all enforced things and kept players in line and working hard.

I really hope MDA finds that player who is both the best on his team and can btichslap everyone else on the team to buy into what he's trying to do and wins a championship so we can stop having illogical conversations about why this system or that system won't work.

Coach is there only to maximize the talent of the players to win.
And if you have nothing to maximize there is nothing to talk about.
Championship = star players (minimum 2) + HOF coach + classy organization + solid role players
So how many ingredients we have already? NON




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knicks1248
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8/25/2009  4:01 PM
Kg had a really good squad when spree and cassel were in there prime, they failed to make it, little after the coach was fired

And to be honest they were raving about doc rivers asst tom (forgot his last name) and how is defensive schemes were great, .But there's no doubt you need great players or good ones to win consistently, but as we all know, great players alone don't win championships.

I pose the question because it's been a topic of discussion when ever you talk about MDA (who I think is a great coach) I'm just basing my question on what I've seen and heard. Now it seems like I'm saying something foreign or some of you are being naïve,

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8/25/2009  8:31 PM
If we get Lebron you can bet on it i think.
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8/26/2009  11:10 AM
An offensive SCHEME is nothing without the right talent to make it work. We barely had enough guys to run MDA's system properly, which should lead to a very efficient offense. We weren't very efficient. His defensive philosophy is to basically TRICK teams into taking more deep shots and to play faster than they usually do. The key is to defend the deep shots and hit the boards so we can get out and run. If you take more high % shots you have a greater chance to win. It's not that he doesn't teach D, it's just a different approach. Tough D leads to fouls and that slows the game down. MDA wants the other team to Jack up bad shots and not get the FT line. So ge wants the perimeter guys to move a prevent drives and double the post to force the pass back out. When we do that the team will be more successful.
Do you think we can really win a championship with MDA

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