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8/11/2009  11:57 AM
Lee should have okayed the deal for Mayo then he would be paid by now with a nice starting role and more mins then he could handle.
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8/11/2009  12:10 PM
Personally, I wouldn't believe a single-word that Lee's agent says.
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8/11/2009  12:12 PM
Regardless of what anyone thinks the mere fact that DLee is unsigned on Aug 11th means that Donnie played this one correct. Many things have changed since last year and hindsight alway makes things easy to second guess but the old man has a plan and Dlee would fit in at the right price.

DLee is an excellent ROLE player and I'd love to have him stay and play at ROLE player money. Fact remains we can't afford to give him maybe what he is really worth because you don't do that with role players.

I don't begrudge him at all to seek his market value. Im sure teams would love to pay him 10mil a year if we took those contracts back. Thats not fair market value.

I do feel bad Had DLee slid one more spot into the second round his money would have been much easier for him. The kid has done everything a team can ask for and I would hope Donnie is being fair with him. Being fair might be a dissapointment to number objective and I can understand his frustration. Its just business and DLee seems to be taking it fairly well. Same for Nate.

Donnie won't take back what he don't want, and We very well might lose him next year for nothing. Im ok with that.
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8/11/2009  12:14 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Here are Portland's players and their years remaining. 

	Joel Przybilla    1 	
	Andre Miller 	  2 	
	LaMarcus Aldridge 0 
	Greg Oden         1 	
	Martell Webster   3 
	Steve Blake	  0 
	Travis Outlaw	  0 
	Jerryd Bayless    2 
	Rudolfo Fernandez 2 
	Nicolas Batum     2

How are you going to matchup the money? Most of those guys are making under 4 million and I don't want Webster and his 3 years.


Because of Lee's base year compensation status we'd only be able to take back 1/2 his starting salary (I believe).

I'd ask for Batum and Bayless and a trade exemption. I really don't have any interest in Blake and Outlaw as we'd likely have to lose both after this year. Batum and Bayless are affordable and have some potential.
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8/11/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Here are Portland's players and their years remaining. 

	Joel Przybilla    1 	
	Andre Miller 	  2 	
	LaMarcus Aldridge 0 
	Greg Oden         1 	
	Martell Webster   3 
	Steve Blake	  0 
	Travis Outlaw	  0 
	Jerryd Bayless    2 
	Rudolfo Fernandez 2 
	Nicolas Batum     2

How are you going to matchup the money? Most of those guys are making under 4 million and I don't want Webster and his 3 years.


Because of Lee's base year compensation status we'd only be able to take back 1/2 his starting salary (I believe).

I'd ask for Batum and Bayless and a trade exemption. I really don't have any interest in Blake and Outlaw as we'd likely have to lose both after this year. Batum and Bayless are affordable and have some potential.

I absolutely agree with you, but whose to say that Portland was willing to trade them?

Personally, I think Lee's agent is just trying to stir things up. I'm sure Pritchard isn't happy about his comments either.
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8/11/2009  12:28 PM
why do we want Bayless, another undersized SG? mine as well just keep Nate then... if we're trading Lee i'd rather get back a draft pick in 2010 & a usable player w/an expiring to be honest.
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8/11/2009  12:42 PM
Posted by TMS:

why do we want Bayless, another undersized SG? mine as well just keep Nate then... if we're trading Lee i'd rather get back a draft pick in 2010 & a usable player w/an expiring to be honest.

Personally, I think Bayless ends up a better player than Nate, but that's just me.
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8/11/2009  12:50 PM
maybe, but i haven't seen enough of Bayless to reach that conclusion... if Nate ever grew up & matured a little he could probably be an Allstar in this league IMO... but that's all up to him... he's got the talent & the ability to do it.

still, who the better player is is besides the point... i don't think we should be targetting an undersized SG here if we're trading away Lee... i would much rather opt for the cap flexibility & the future pick, at least that leaves our options wide open for further moves down the road & doesn't clog up our backcourt any further w/guys who are likely not going to see much playing time unless other moves are made to free up the minutes.
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8/11/2009  12:55 PM
Posted by TMS:

maybe, but i haven't seen enough of Bayless to reach that conclusion... if Nate ever grew up & matured a little he could probably be an Allstar in this league IMO... but that's all up to him... he's got the talent & the ability to do it.

still, who the better player is is besides the point... i don't think we should be targetting an undersized SG here if we're trading away Lee... i would much rather opt for the cap flexibility & the future pick, at least that leaves our options wide open for further moves down the road & doesn't clog up our backcourt any further w/guys who are likely not going to see much playing time unless other moves are made to free up the minutes.

Totally agree with you, which is probably why no deal was made between the teams. Lee's agent can talk all he wants about how the Knicks shot Portland down, but until we know what they offered, it's really just meaningless banter coming from a guy whose trying to get too much money for his client.
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8/11/2009  12:57 PM
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8/11/2009  1:00 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Donnie won't take back what he don't want, and We very well might lose him next year for nothing. Im ok with that.

What? If we lose Lee for nothing then Donnie should be fired on the spot. Do not pass go, do not collect $100 - get out and stay out.

The fact that Donnie is even in this position is unreal. He should have dealt Lee and Nate for future assets or cleared cap last year but he hit the snooze bar.

If he does not use his little remaining leverage and lets Lee go without getting anything in return while screwing him over and forcing him into a low $ deal then the fan base will never forgive him.
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8/11/2009  1:01 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

maybe, but i haven't seen enough of Bayless to reach that conclusion... if Nate ever grew up & matured a little he could probably be an Allstar in this league IMO... but that's all up to him... he's got the talent & the ability to do it.

still, who the better player is is besides the point... i don't think we should be targetting an undersized SG here if we're trading away Lee... i would much rather opt for the cap flexibility & the future pick, at least that leaves our options wide open for further moves down the road & doesn't clog up our backcourt any further w/guys who are likely not going to see much playing time unless other moves are made to free up the minutes.

Totally agree with you, which is probably why no deal was made between the teams. Lee's agent can talk all he wants about how the Knicks shot Portland down, but until we know what they offered, it's really just meaningless banter coming from a guy whose trying to get too much money for his client.

personally i have a hard time imagining POR not willing to give up a late 1st round pick to get a player of Lee's calibre tho... i think Donnie may have been holding out for more here to be honest... maybe he was given a choice of either Sergio OR Bayless OR a future pick & expirings, & maybe Donnie wanted at least 2 of those assets in exchange? anyway, this is all conjecture on our parts like u said, but i don't believe it's just BS being put out there by Lee's agent cuz really, what does his client stand to gain by saying the Knicks are not willing to cooperate on S&T offers from other teams?
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8/11/2009  1:01 PM
Posted by TMS:

why do we want Bayless, another undersized SG? mine as well just keep Nate then... if we're trading Lee i'd rather get back a draft pick in 2010 & a usable player w/an expiring to be honest.

I think Bayless can play the point - he has all the tools to be a PG - a scoring PG. He's even said as much in interviews - that's the type of role he envisions for himself. I think he's talented enough to be more of a lead guard in the Tony Parker mold. I'd be OK with that. If we ever got him, I'd give him the green light to score the ball himself all he wants to as long as he did enough to get others involved as well. This kid would do whatever D'Antoni told him to do. To me, he's totally capable of modifying his game just a little in order to get others involved and keep everyone happy. I mean he did it at Arizona when Nic Wise was injured. I love this kid's talent and I'd definitely be willing to give him a chance to come in here and run the team..

Having said that, I could go the other way too - you give me Blake, Outlaw and their 2010 #1 and I'm OK with that. Blake's basically filler, but Outlaw's a very good young player and we could use that #1 to get something...

[Edited by - finestrg on 08-11-2009 1:07 PM]
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8/11/2009  1:02 PM
if we lose Lee for "nothing" but sign a better player with the money Lee is seeking... the fans will throw Walsh a parade
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8/11/2009  1:09 PM
Posted by kam77:

if we lose Lee for "nothing" but sign a better player with the money Lee is seeking... the fans will throw Walsh a parade

speak for yourself... i won't give Walsh any credit for letting his best player walk for nothing & not doing anything about it... that's just irresponsible & stupid if u ask me... he should be able to use that asset to get back something in return to benefit the Knicks... not signing him & signing someone else next year doesn't qualify as getting back an asset in exchange, it's just filling the hole left by the player that went elsewhere via free agency.
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8/11/2009  1:14 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by TMS:

why do we want Bayless, another undersized SG? mine as well just keep Nate then... if we're trading Lee i'd rather get back a draft pick in 2010 & a usable player w/an expiring to be honest.

I think Bayless can play the point - he has all the tools to be a PG - a scoring PG. He's even said as much in interviews - that's the type of role he envisions for himself. I think he's talented enough to be more of a lead guard in the Tony Parker mold. I'd be OK with that. If we ever got him, I'd give him the green light to score the ball himself all he wants to as long as he did enough to get others involved as well. This kid would do whatever D'Antoni told him to do. To me, he's totally capable of modifying his game just a little in order to get others involved and keep everyone happy. I mean he did it at Arizona when Nic Wise was injured. I love this kid's talent and I'd definitely be willing to give him a chance to come in here and run the team..

Having said that, I could go the other way too - you give me Blake, Outlaw and their 2010 #1 and I'm OK with that. Blake's basically filler, but Outlaw's a very good young player and we could use that #1 to get something...

[Edited by - finestrg on 08-11-2009 1:07 PM]

i actually like Blake... he's as good an option as Duhon is as a stopgap filler & he plays defense... that gives us 2 solid stopgap fillers at the PG spot for next season & allows Douglas a chance to ease into his role & learn the system... it also gives us Outlaw who can shoot from the perimeter & give us some flexibility on the wings while Chandler plays the SG position... & who knows what Donnie will be able to do w/that late 1st rounder... maybe pick up a nice sleeper, or use it to move up in the draft, or include it as a piece in another trade? the point is it gives us options... this is exactly what i was saying this time last year when most of u were telling me it was a stupid idea to trade Lee before the trade deadline.
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8/11/2009  1:19 PM
if the knicks let lee walk for nothing, i wouldn't care.
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8/11/2009  1:22 PM
I think if you could get someone like Bayless and Batum in a deal for Lee that would be fair and save us the cap room. Then I would turn around and see what Houston wants for McGrady, because if you can package Hill/Curry together that frees up almost 14 million in cap dollars to go after two max talents.

Duhon, Chandler, Gallo, Harrington, Darko, Nate, Jefferies, Hughes that team is horrible but at least there is some cap room to play with and add another talent.
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8/11/2009  1:33 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by kam77:

if we lose Lee for "nothing" but sign a better player with the money Lee is seeking... the fans will throw Walsh a parade

not signing him & signing someone else next year doesn't qualify as getting back an asset in exchange, it's just filling the hole left by the player that went elsewhere via free agency.

Sometimes that is better than getting an asset back just to get something back. If we preserve all that space and can get something back, then thats ideal.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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8/11/2009  1:58 PM
Here's the thing, if you get one of their young players back that has a longer deal, you should then have enough young assets to get Curry or Jeffries out of here.

To just let Lee and Nate go is something I'd have to see to believe. I'll show up to opening night just to throw tomatoes on the Garden floor.
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