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8/5/2009  7:12 PM
Posted by martin:
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Posted by Bonn1997:
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Yes, as we have talked about extensively in other threads, Nate veto any trade if he signs a one year deal (same with Lee). And of course, the BYC status would also make him difficult to trade unless a third team is involved.

This all applies only if there is not a team option on year 2 though

Correct. A team option for the 2nd season would circumvent this rule. The problem is that it makes no sense for Lee or Nate to allow that team option to be included unless they are making big money next season, which seems very doubtful.

wait, I have never heard of this 2nd season team option ploy concerning veto rights. Is this for real? Where have you heard this?

I think it was in Coon's FAQ somewhere. I definitely remember reading this rule at some point. I'm on train right now so can't really look but when I get home I'll try to find it.
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8/5/2009  7:14 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

s&t's must be for 3 seasons with only the 1st season guaranteed...

Right. But you could still re-sign Nate and just trade him right before the deadline from what I understand of the CBA.

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8/5/2009  7:20 PM
Posted by s3231:
Posted by djsunyc:

s&t's must be for 3 seasons with only the 1st season guaranteed...

Right. But you could still re-sign Nate and just trade him right before the deadline from what I understand of the CBA.

if nate's on a one-year deal, he'll have veto rights over any trade.
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8/5/2009  7:26 PM
i dont see how getting nate or not getting nate affects sessions. sessions is a pure point who is 6'3". nate is a shoot-first sideshow gimmick who looks to shoot or dunk every time he has the ball. they are entirely different players.

sign nate to a 1-year deal, have him either help the team make the playoffs or trade him at the deadline or sign and trade him next season. still gives the knicks flexibility.
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8/5/2009  7:59 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by s3231:
Posted by djsunyc:

s&t's must be for 3 seasons with only the 1st season guaranteed...

Right. But you could still re-sign Nate and just trade him right before the deadline from what I understand of the CBA.

if nate's on a one-year deal, he'll have veto rights over any trade.

Lol, see my previous posts (including the ones in this thread).


[Edited by - s3231 on 08-05-2009 8:14 PM]
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8/5/2009  8:07 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by s3231:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by s3231:

Yes, as we have talked about extensively in other threads, Nate veto any trade if he signs a one year deal (same with Lee). And of course, the BYC status would also make him difficult to trade unless a third team is involved.

This all applies only if there is not a team option on year 2 though

Correct. A team option for the 2nd season would circumvent this rule. The problem is that it makes no sense for Lee or Nate to allow that team option to be included unless they are making big money next season, which seems very doubtful.

wait, I have never heard of this 2nd season team option ploy concerning veto rights. Is this for real? Where have you heard this?

Here it is:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q85
When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?

Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.

[Edited by - s3231 on 08-05-2009 8:07 PM]
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8/6/2009  1:33 AM
I hope we resign Nate.
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8/6/2009  7:54 AM
2 things with Nate

First - why not just see if you can't work out a reasonable 3 year deal at $12m? Even if we want to trade him, I think that deal should work for most teams

And then second - did anyone see this:
The scout also had this to say about Nate Robinson, which is why he isn’t surprised the restricted free agent guard hasn’t received a contract offer.

“…If he (Nate) isn’t the most disliked player in the league, he’s certainly right up there. Every player I know can’t stand him.”

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/08/04/eastern-conference-scout-sessions-not-a-fit/

No idea of the credibility of the source, but that sure seems to fit in with Nate's demeanor.
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8/6/2009  8:09 AM
Posted by franco12:

The scout also had this to say about Nate Robinson, which is why he isn’t surprised the restricted free agent guard hasn’t received a contract offer.

“…If he (Nate) isn’t the most disliked player in the league, he’s certainly right up there. Every player I know can’t stand him.”

how could that be in a league that includes kobe f'g bryant?
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8/6/2009  10:13 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by franco12:

The scout also had this to say about Nate Robinson, which is why he isn’t surprised the restricted free agent guard hasn’t received a contract offer.

“…If he (Nate) isn’t the most disliked player in the league, he’s certainly right up there. Every player I know can’t stand him.”

how could that be in a league that includes kobe f'g bryant?

ironically, kobe is the one guy we've heard about who really loves nate.
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8/6/2009  10:19 AM
Posted by franco12:

First - why not just see if you can't work out a reasonable 3 year deal at $12m? Even if we want to trade him, I think that deal should work for most teams

i'm pretty sure if Nate & his agent were amenable to that level of an offer then Donnie wouldn't have a problem w/it either... but i doubt Nate would accept it... probably a 1 year deal at full MLE or slightly over MLE dollars while he waits for the 2010 free agency period is more realistic... either that or a longterm sign & trade.
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8/6/2009  11:49 AM
It ain't a popularity contest.

“…If he (Nate) isn’t the most disliked player in the league, he’s certainly right up there. Every player I know can’t stand him.”

Since when did the National Basketball Association turn into a freakin' sorority?
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8/6/2009  12:01 PM
Posted by misterearl:

It ain't a popularity contest.

“…If he (Nate) isn’t the most disliked player in the league, he’s certainly right up there. Every player I know can’t stand him.”

Since when did the National Basketball Association turn into a freakin' sorority?

When chemistry started to matter.

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8/6/2009  12:50 PM 

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8/6/2009  1:04 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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I'd sign him 4 years 25-30 mm. If it means forget about Sessions, then so be it. It's not like Sessions is a better player.
Statwise, I'll call it a tie or a small edge to Nate--Sessions played about as well in his 1st full season as Nate did in his 4th. But Sessions can actually guard players in this league and play a traditional NBA position.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-05-2009 5:29 PM]

Have you watched Sessions consistently play defense?
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8/6/2009  1:09 PM
And I understand that people like Sessions, including myself, b/c he can be a "Pure" point guard. However, it's not like Nate is a bad passer, and we underestimate the fact that Nate is very efficient. He does need to concentrate on the defense more. However, my thoughts are this. If we can get both, cool. However, if I had to choose between the two, I'd take Nate. His talent and fearlessness, to me, is something that can lead a team through a playoff run.

It's not ideal to not have him on the team.
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8/6/2009  1:28 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

And I understand that people like Sessions, including myself, b/c he can be a "Pure" point guard. However, it's not like Nate is a bad passer, and we underestimate the fact that Nate is very efficient. He does need to concentrate on the defense more. However, my thoughts are this. If we can get both, cool. However, if I had to choose between the two, I'd take Nate. His talent and fearlessness, to me, is something that can lead a team through a playoff run.

It's not ideal to not have him on the team.

"Lead" and "Nate" should not be used together. Nate has had a chance to be a big part of a team shooting for a playoff birth and hasn't really gotten to THAT point yet.

As a sixth man whose only job is to spark the offense... that is what I would consider a good role for him so far.
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8/6/2009  2:01 PM
I'm surprised someone like Miami doesn't off nate a 4/16 contract. He would be a nice backup to wade and provide some scoring when they need to rest the guy.

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8/6/2009  2:36 PM
Exactly, Martin. Nate is a great 6th man/spark off the bench, but as a leader and distributor? Not a chance. He can make good passes, but that doesn't make him a point guard, much less the formidable leader of this group.
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8/6/2009  2:38 PM
Posted by MS:

I'm surprised someone like Miami doesn't off nate a 4/16 contract. He would be a nice backup to wade and provide some scoring when they need to rest the guy.

Because we would probably match. Nate at 4 per year or starting at 3mills? Only Nate wouldn't like that...
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