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Cosmic
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8/5/2009  4:16 PM
STACKHOUSE!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

wow...I give up.

Good LORD what are we even bothering with this list of trash for? These players don't win a 32 win team any more games! What the hell is going on up there at MSG? Again, did we hire Chris Mullin and not get told?

I heard Doug Christie still wants money.
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8/5/2009  4:19 PM
I dont think we oughtta sign Stackhouse but some of you guys need to chill.

There is absolutley no downside to showing Stackhouse around, meeting with D'antoni, working him out, having lunch etc...

It shows that we are a class organization. Even if we don't sign the guy, he'll go back and spread the word that this isn't the Dysfunctional MSG regime we're known for. That we're an organization aiming for a new rebirth. The rebirth of cool.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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8/5/2009  4:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by djsunyc:

come on man...lighten up...y'all are way too serious...

it's ok to make fun of walsh's age and stuff like that. posting pics of him as an old senile man is pure jokes.

but walsh is doing anything but rushing. the only 2 moves he rushed on were trading zach and crawford and he may have waited too long on zach b/c of the rumored cap space/2nd round pick they offered first.

everything else he's done has been very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very deliberate...

and i know you know that's a good thing. you can do more damage with the wrong move here than you can do good with the right one. that's just by virtue of the moves that we can make. if this was chess, the knicks would be a sorry ass pawn that can't do nothing but move forward and diagonally (on occassion). next year, we'll be all over the board.

it really depends. if the guy is a smart gm, then making a quick move doesn't mean it's a bad move. everyone is scared of isiah part 2 but dumars and colangelo proved making a risky move can work out. and more recently, presti made some high risk moves that worked out as well. isiah's plan was not a flawed one but the guy making the decisions was a nutjob. the single one advantage the knicks have is money and they are not using it. but walsh made his choice so it's lebron/wade or bust. i really don't buy into the flexibility stuff when all the other free agents at that time could be found via trades (comparable players).
I have not heard one analyst/commentator/writer praise the plan Isiah had.
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8/5/2009  4:20 PM
This is terrible. It's like Isiah Thomas all over again but with older washed up players. If we end up not getting sessions and signing one of these retreads, I'm officially joining the Walsh is senile camp.
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8/5/2009  4:27 PM
Posted by kam77:

I dont think we oughtta sign Stackhouse but some of you guys need to chill.

There is absolutley no downside to showing Stackhouse around, meeting with D'antoni, working him out, having lunch etc...

It shows that we are a class organization. Even if we don't sign the guy, he'll go back and spread the word that this isn't the Dysfunctional MSG regime we're known for. That we're an organization aiming for a new rebirth. The rebirth of cool.

What are we a soup kitchen?

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8/5/2009  4:28 PM
The Knicks off season FANtastic!!!
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8/5/2009  4:28 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by kam77:

I dont think we oughtta sign Stackhouse but some of you guys need to chill.

There is absolutley no downside to showing Stackhouse around, meeting with D'antoni, working him out, having lunch etc...

It shows that we are a class organization. Even if we don't sign the guy, he'll go back and spread the word that this isn't the Dysfunctional MSG regime we're known for. That we're an organization aiming for a new rebirth. The rebirth of cool.

What are we a soup kitchen?

What is the downside? Would these guys have come to visit if Isiah was still here? It shows the rest of the league we're not toxic anymore.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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8/5/2009  4:29 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

Nothing wrong with the Knicks approach. Rushing to offer Sessions a contract doesn't make much sense when we are really the only serious suitor.

As for Stackhouse, I don't really care about him but we are doing our due dilligence so that's a good thing.

rushing? lol...
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heat? don't you mean jazz b/c this is scott layden gm'ing 101...
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8/5/2009  4:30 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

Nothing wrong with the Knicks approach. Rushing to offer Sessions a contract doesn't make much sense when we are really the only serious suitor.

As for Stackhouse, I don't really care about him but we are doing our due dilligence so that's a good thing.

rushing? lol...

I don't understand what's so funny. Yes, rushing. Has anyone else even remotely expressed interest at his asking price? Same goes for Nate and Lee. I'm not understanding the Isiah Thomas way of thinking people are still on. I don't see any legit reason to make an offer to someone who has no offers and is making demands as if he does. We are bidding against ourselves in all the cases.

exactly
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8/5/2009  4:31 PM
5 yr $50 mil for Hedo and then bargnani is more Laydenesque than anything Donnie has ever done

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-05-2009 4:34 PM]
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8/5/2009  4:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

5 yr $50 mil for Hedo is more Laydenesque than anything Donnie has ever done

seriously? i know you are but what i am? lol...

getting back to the knicks...guys, y'all don't have to defend every little thing walsh does. he has done some positives but the past few weeks do not inspire.

that could change but talking to stackhouse, jwill, grant hill? really? where is the progressive thinking? does walsh still think it's 99 and not 09? unless he still thinks it's 1909...
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8/5/2009  4:36 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by kam77:

I dont think we oughtta sign Stackhouse but some of you guys need to chill.

There is absolutley no downside to showing Stackhouse around, meeting with D'antoni, working him out, having lunch etc...

It shows that we are a class organization. Even if we don't sign the guy, he'll go back and spread the word that this isn't the Dysfunctional MSG regime we're known for. That we're an organization aiming for a new rebirth. The rebirth of cool.

What are we a soup kitchen?

What is the downside? Would these guys have come to visit if Isiah was still here? It shows the rest of the league we're not toxic anymore.

I see absolutely no value in any of these guys mentioned. What are they going to do? Be one year rentals? To do what? Not win us more games that's for sure. Mentor the kids? How....these aren't leaders we're talking about. Stackhouse is half way. Kidd was but arrogant. Grant Hill was. The others mentioned aren't even close in fact the entire other direction: Tinsley, Iverson, JWill. Cancers.

So what exactly is the point of these players we speak of?

To date the only player on the entire list so far talked to that makes any sense at all was Sessions: And even then I don't see the hype around him - apparently - neither do 29 other teams which includes his present (former) team.

So what gives? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Whose next? The big men? Dikembe? Oakley? Kevin Willis?

I mean COMEON what is the point.

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8/5/2009  4:41 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:

5 yr $50 mil for Hedo is more Laydenesque than anything Donnie has ever done

seriously? i know you are but what i am? lol...

getting back to the knicks...guys, y'all don't have to defend every little thing walsh does. he has done some positives but the past few weeks do not inspire.

that could change but talking to stackhouse, jwill, grant hill? really? where is the progressive thinking? does walsh still think it's 99 and not 09? unless he still thinks it's 1909...

Glad I'm not alone in seeing this as just a pure waste of time....and that neither of the mentioned players would do anything of value for the team be it more wins (lol, yeah right) or mentoring (kidd maybe but poor attitude, grant hill yes, stackhouse sort of) but what do you even gain by that? Retire and become a coach then. There's plenty of people we could hire as trainers to mentor the youth.

I just don't understand.... doesn't anyone want to watch Toney Douglas show us if he has anything? Or would we rather watch JWill throw a ball behind the back into the stands and scream at the refs like it's their fault and then attack reporters after the game?

Do we want to bring in Stackhouse and sit him on the bench in a suit for 56 games? Then tell him to retire and hire him as an assistant coach!

But as players? As if they're upgrades? Unless we have some major trades lined up that leave us completely bare bones hanging in the wings what on earth is the point?

What's Donnie's list look like after Stackhouse?

Brevin Knight
Dough Christie
Muggsy Bogues
John Stockton
Kevin Willis
Charles Oakley
Dennis Rodman
Dikembe Mutombo
Willis Reed
Wilt Chaimberlain's Corpse.

The hell, Walsh, just open a damn soup kitchen already.
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8/5/2009  4:44 PM
Ahh so hopefully now everyone is starting to realize exactly what Walsh is doing to the Knicks. Is it starting to hit you guys yet? Still need more clues guys? We are being turned into perennial playoff losers... just like the Pacers.
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8/5/2009  4:47 PM
Posted by subzero0:

Ahh so hopefully now everyone is starting to realize exactly what Walsh is doing to the Knicks. Is it starting to hit you guys yet? Still need more clues guys? We are being turned into perennial playoff losers... just like the Pacers.

Nah, his 2010 plan is still rolling, and I like it and am patient with that.
It's his 2009 plan that has me buggy. Why take on any of these losers? I don't see any purpose in it at all. It won't lead to wins and it won't lead to our youth being improved by their presence. There's no purpose to it at all.

If we want some warm bodies on the bench just sign some undrafted players. At least they'll be able to walk under their own power.
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8/5/2009  4:49 PM
I can't believe the patience some of you have..especially considering who he's looking to aqurie or showing intrest in.

You want to work out a guy for an hour to determine weather you to sign him for 1 year..wash up guys at it..and some of you support these waist my time tatics..
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8/5/2009  4:52 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by kam77:

I dont think we oughtta sign Stackhouse but some of you guys need to chill.

There is absolutley no downside to showing Stackhouse around, meeting with D'antoni, working him out, having lunch etc...

It shows that we are a class organization. Even if we don't sign the guy, he'll go back and spread the word that this isn't the Dysfunctional MSG regime we're known for. That we're an organization aiming for a new rebirth. The rebirth of cool.

What are we a soup kitchen?

What is the downside? Would these guys have come to visit if Isiah was still here? It shows the rest of the league we're not toxic anymore.

I see absolutely no value in any of these guys mentioned. What are they going to do? Be one year rentals? To do what? Not win us more games that's for sure. Mentor the kids? How....these aren't leaders we're talking about. Stackhouse is half way. Kidd was but arrogant. Grant Hill was. The others mentioned aren't even close in fact the entire other direction: Tinsley, Iverson, JWill. Cancers.

So what exactly is the point of these players we speak of?

To date the only player on the entire list so far talked to that makes any sense at all was Sessions: And even then I don't see the hype around him - apparently - neither do 29 other teams which includes his present (former) team.

So what gives? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Whose next? The big men? Dikembe? Oakley? Kevin Willis?

I mean COMEON what is the point.

Who exactly do you want the Knicks to target? Kobe?
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Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by subzero0:

Ahh so hopefully now everyone is starting to realize exactly what Walsh is doing to the Knicks. Is it starting to hit you guys yet? Still need more clues guys? We are being turned into perennial playoff losers... just like the Pacers.

Nah, his 2010 plan is still rolling, and I like it and am patient with that.
It's his 2009 plan that has me buggy. Why take on any of these losers? I don't see any purpose in it at all. It won't lead to wins and it won't lead to our youth being improved by their presence. There's no purpose to it at all.

If we want some warm bodies on the bench just sign some undrafted players. At least they'll be able to walk under their own power.

Yes, but here's the problem cosmic. These marginal players will make us just good enough to get horrible picks in the draft, not that the draft is anything Walsh cares about mind you.

The problem is of a bigger scope than just this offseason though, isnt it? I have said it again and again. When you dont start the base of your team through the draft you are almost certainly doomed to become a perennial playoff loser.
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8/5/2009  4:53 PM
Posted by subzero0:

Ahh so hopefully now everyone is starting to realize exactly what Walsh is doing to the Knicks. Is it starting to hit you guys yet? Still need more clues guys? We are being turned into perennial playoff losers... just like the Pacers.

That's right. We should have stuck to your brilliant plan of keeping Zach and Crawford and making a run to the Finals. What fools we are!
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