Posted by Cosmic:

With the big names seemingly off the table I am surprised that Lee, Nate, Sessions, Iverson cannot get deals. This means they're being too greedy and with nobody knocking down their doors.

However, to be honest, how hard can these negotiations be?

DW: 7M
DLee: 12M
DW: 7M
DLee: 12M
DW: Look, it's our price or go elsewhere.
DLee: Nobody wants me at my price.
DW: *Waives rights to Lee*
DLee: Signs 3yr/15M contract with team with MLE once he realizes that's all he's getting.

End of story.

Go for the same with Nate but make it 3yr/9M with some club. Partial MLE. Like the Lakers if they still have it.

Honestly, what is so hard to hammer out that it takes months? What is there to talk about that you can't talk about over the course of one meeting that stretches into maybe 2 or 3 subsequent meetings?

I think it IS Lee's and Nate's turn to get taken care of but the fact that they haven't speaks volumes to me that these guy's aren't worth much at all. From our perspective why trade them and get garbage back? We'd be better off offering the QO and nothing else. They can either take it or sit out the season which would make their value even lower next summer.

By mid September it's time to move on from both of them because then we're focusing on filling out the roster for training camp. By then, with nothing done, what would there possibly be to talk about anyway?

It's absurd.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by martin:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I have no idea why the Knicks would have interest in Sessions but not Lee. Defies logic, unless Lee's agent hasn't put the crack pipe down.

you wouldn't want a solid 6'3" PG who runs a good offense and has a high assist to TO ratio for cheap $?

The lack of defense and lack of outside shooting combined with the fact that no other team is calling about him and even his own team doesn't seem to care if he walks.... makes me a little wary of locking him up to be a starting PG for a team that wishes to contend within 3 years.

I don't see why Sessions is such a home run. He's the best FA we're talking to, that's for certain, but he's not all that great. His stats are pretty but we've been down that road before with plenty of players.

Compared to Duhon he's quicker and more creative.
Compared to Duhon he's a worse defender and has zero outside shot.

I don't quite see a monumental upgrade do you? I see more of a side step. You gain on two things and you lose on two things.

We need a player that's better than Duhon at every facet of the game. Not better at a couple and worse at a couple.

That's not a player I'd look to lock up and then say "Whew, we got the PG position locked up for the next 10 years! On to the next project!"

We've got enough mediocre players and project players who are best suited to be backup players. Why add another?

couple of things.

- just because we don't know of any teams that have or haven't called for him doesn't mean anything, positive or negative.
- Knicks are trying to lock him up for relatively small $, no one has mentioned locking him up to be the starting PG for this team (Duhon is still here for this coming year).
- "I don't see why Sessions is such a home run." Only you have introduced the "home run" characterization. It surely would be nice to add a young, talented PG to the stockpile, no more, and I have to assume Donnie thinks this way too in lieu of the dragged out talks.
- "monumental upgrade" no one has said monumental upgrade, but adding a 23-year old with pretty good upside at a reasonable price is a good thing; you just can't sign a starting PG at less than the MLE. Can't be done.

Posted by martin:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I have no idea why the Knicks would have interest in Sessions but not Lee. Defies logic, unless Lee's agent hasn't put the crack pipe down.

you wouldn't want a solid 6'3" PG who runs a good offense and has a high assist to TO ratio for cheap $?

Posted by martin:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by martin:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I have no idea why the Knicks would have interest in Sessions but not Lee. Defies logic, unless Lee's agent hasn't put the crack pipe down.

you wouldn't want a solid 6'3" PG who runs a good offense and has a high assist to TO ratio for cheap $?

No, I don't want Sessions. He can dribble and pass. But with the screen and roll being a big part of the offense here I don't see how he'll be an efficient player. I really don't. I'd rather have the cap space available next summer when it's impossible to determine if the cap will go down and by how much

I guess that's the decision point for Donnie/MDA: Is Session good enough and is he improving (defense, outside shot).

The Knicks still would need a PG next year regardless of what the cap #'s are, unless they think Douglas is good enough until 2011 hits when Curry and JJ are guaranteed to come off the cap.

I would presume that you are also in big favor for Lee and Nate to have only 1 years deals for the same reasons you don't want Sessions?