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Uptown
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8/4/2009  12:55 PM
Posted by franco12:
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You consider Roy and Gay before Rondo. Rondo isn't a star player to build around.

What have Roy and Gay done in the play offs?

I hate Rondo and the Celtics, but he was a difference maker. However, that he might be a Marbury in the making is a concern.
Marbury in the making? Where did that come from? When did Marb ever do anything close to what Rondo has doen in the playoffs and beyond?

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8/4/2009  12:56 PM
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You don't just let 2-way players walk. Remember when Hollinger said that having Chandler, a wing that can shoot threes and play defense was, "like seeing a unicorn for the Knicks."

Chandler must be retained in some capacity over anyone else on the roster.

That's why 2010 is even more important. If you wait until 2011 then you have another tough decision to make.
Seriously now. I know Chandler was just a second year player, and he has skills, but Chandler is not, and most likely never will be an all star no matter how much we wish it.

Do you lock him up? He's like a bigger DeShawn Stevenson without the mouth.
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8/4/2009  1:00 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Knicksfan:

You consider Roy and Gay before Rondo. Rondo isn't a star player to build around.

What have Roy and Gay done in the play offs?

I hate Rondo and the Celtics, but he was a difference maker. However, that he might be a Marbury in the making is a concern.
Marbury in the making? Where did that come from? When did Marb ever do anything close to what Rondo has doen in the playoffs and beyond?

He mashed on the Spurs a few years back with a rookie Amare. He was just sensational in that series. That was supposed to be the dawning of a new Marbury but then he came to New York and, well, ya know.
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8/4/2009  1:01 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Knicksfan:

You consider Roy and Gay before Rondo. Rondo isn't a star player to build around.

What have Roy and Gay done in the play offs?

I hate Rondo and the Celtics, but he was a difference maker. However, that he might be a Marbury in the making is a concern.
Marbury in the making? Where did that come from? When did Marb ever do anything close to what Rondo has doen in the playoffs and beyond?

He mashed on the Spurs a few years back with a rookie Amare. He was just sensational in that series. That was supposed to be the dawning of a new Marbury but then he came to New York and, well, ya know.

that game where he drills the running 3pt'er to win it was classic
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8/4/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

You don't just let 2-way players walk. Remember when Hollinger said that having Chandler, a wing that can shoot threes and play defense was, "like seeing a unicorn for the Knicks."

Chandler must be retained in some capacity over anyone else on the roster.

That's why 2010 is even more important. If you wait until 2011 then you have another tough decision to make.
Seriously now. I know Chandler was just a second year player, and he has skills, but Chandler is not, and most likely never will be an all star no matter how much we wish it.

Do you lock him up? He's like a bigger DeShawn Stevenson without the mouth.

"No you lock it up..."



If Chandler isn't worthy of a future then you might as well fold the franchise. Come on bro. You can't go expansion squad with this team and expect Chris Paul to come in and play.

If you totally clear every player, then you will end up having to overpay a 2nd tier player with Max money.
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8/4/2009  2:59 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
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i'd just keep rolling over the capspace to 2011 or 2012. durant durant or CP3. someone will eventually bite. locking into crap players in 2010 is just dumb

After Lebron, Wade and the big names, Rajon Rondo is a name that is very intriguing to me. We need a point and I think he would be awesome playing for MDA. I would love to roll the money over to 2011 for CP3, but with all this talk of 2010, how would the fans and media react if Walsh all of a sudden changed his plans?
there is no change in plans. the plan is to have cap space starting in 2010 and use it wisely. not throw it away on players not worth teh max.


I'm with you Case. The plan every year is to never have a Jerome James, Jared Jefferies, Eddy Curry, Allan Houston deal happen to your team.

Just because you don't land the prom queen sophomore year no need to take a gully troll and ruin the rest of HS.

I love Rondo but if we sign Sessions I say there's 0 money for Rondo.




[Edited by - godsavetheknicks on 08-04-2009 3:00 PM]
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8/4/2009  3:18 PM
I think Sessions is a tremendous option right now. His contract is reasonable no matter what. If he blows up he is a great piece to include in a trade or keep on the roster.

Tyson Chandler sucks I don't know why anyone wants this guy

Three years on NO with the best point guard in the game

9.5pt 12.4rbs 1.8blks
11.8pts 11.8rbs 1.1blks
8.8pts 8.7rbs 1.2blks

And he shoots 60% form the line, I am not sure he is better than the bird man to be honest. His defense is overatted and his rebounding is on the decline. He scores all his points off of great looks from paul and one garbage bucket.

The Pistons are going to suck for the next decade with the moves Dumars just pulled off instead of waiting another year to use his cap dollars.
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8/4/2009  3:19 PM
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Knicksfan:

You consider Roy and Gay before Rondo. Rondo isn't a star player to build around.

What have Roy and Gay done in the play offs?

I hate Rondo and the Celtics, but he was a difference maker. However, that he might be a Marbury in the making is a concern.
Marbury in the making? Where did that come from? When did Marb ever do anything close to what Rondo has doen in the playoffs and beyond?

He mashed on the Spurs a few years back with a rookie Amare. He was just sensational in that series. That was supposed to be the dawning of a new Marbury but then he came to New York and, well, ya know.

that game where he drills the running 3pt'er to win it was classic

Yep. Vividly remember that --- should have been a turning point play in Marbury's career, 'cause he smashed on Parker something serious in that series and the Suns gave the Spurs the best series all Playoffs in route to their championship.
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8/4/2009  4:46 PM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Caseloads:

i'd just keep rolling over the capspace to 2011 or 2012. durant durant or CP3. someone will eventually bite. locking into crap players in 2010 is just dumb

After Lebron, Wade and the big names, Rajon Rondo is a name that is very intriguing to me. We need a point and I think he would be awesome playing for MDA. I would love to roll the money over to 2011 for CP3, but with all this talk of 2010, how would the fans and media react if Walsh all of a sudden changed his plans?
there is no change in plans. the plan is to have cap space starting in 2010 and use it wisely. not throw it away on players not worth teh max.


I'm with you Case. The plan every year is to never have a Jerome James, Jared Jefferies, Eddy Curry, Allan Houston deal happen to your team.

Just because you don't land the prom queen sophomore year no need to take a gully troll and ruin the rest of HS.

I love Rondo but if we sign Sessions I say there's 0 money for Rondo.

[Edited by - godsavetheknicks on 08-04-2009 3:00 PM]

0 money for Rondo? He'll be an RFA so we'll have to seriously overpay to get him.
Rondo shouldn't even be in the conversation.
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8/4/2009  5:09 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Knicksfan:

You consider Roy and Gay before Rondo. Rondo isn't a star player to build around.

What have Roy and Gay done in the play offs?

I hate Rondo and the Celtics, but he was a difference maker. However, that he might be a Marbury in the making is a concern.
Marbury in the making? Where did that come from? When did Marb ever do anything close to what Rondo has doen in the playoffs and beyond?

He mashed on the Spurs a few years back with a rookie Amare. He was just sensational in that series. That was supposed to be the dawning of a new Marbury but then he came to New York and, well, ya know.

that game where he drills the running 3pt'er to win it was classic

Yep. Vividly remember that --- should have been a turning point play in Marbury's career, 'cause he smashed on Parker something serious in that series and the Suns gave the Spurs the best series all Playoffs in route to their championship.

I remember it too. I think at one point Parker was so intimidated by Marbury that he basically stopped playing
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8/4/2009  6:49 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:


Donnie Craps His Pants Plan E - Make a near max offer to Rudy Gay. Wow... things have gone to hell in a handbasket. Swallow hard and hold out the cash. Rudy is a great talent on the wing. Move Chandler to the two and hope they all gel.

[Edited by - johnwallace44 on 08-03-2009 3:08 PM]

If we strike out on LeBron and Wade... this should be plan B. And we won't need to offer the Max. Just enough to squeeze Memphis.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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8/4/2009  7:00 PM
Yeah, but how much is that Kam? You never know with teams like that.
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8/4/2009  7:11 PM
I dunno... guessin what Lee wants... 10-12 mil. If the Grizzlies are hurting, they may let him go. Or maybe they want something in return and wecould s-n-t whichever ending contract (JJ or Curry) we still have and toss in our #1 and Chandler and hope the Grizz take it.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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8/4/2009  10:37 PM
The contract numbers crunch need to be put into perspective per se. Knicks obviously to be financially healthy can't just sign every player they like to lucrative contracts. All these bad contracts that accumulated over the years since the doomed Patrick Ewing trade has made the Knicks the bad contract dumpster of the NBA for almost a decade already. The 2010 plan is unique in itself that Walsh is using his veteran and lawyer expertise to be under the cap that year and hope pray that a franchise FA player worthy of a max or near max contract signs with them. Then you build around that player with cheaper role player contracts and drafted players. Lakers, Spurs, Magic, Dallas, Boston and all those contenders have rosters build like that. In due time Knicks should evolve into a contender by following the Walsh blueprint plan before everything is said and done. I still am crazy to think Lebron will come in 2010. His John Hancock has not come out yet.
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8/5/2009  9:41 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:


Plan C Get Joe Johnson - Joe holds the ball like crazy, but is a serious player. You'd be making this move in the hopes that he can play more unselfish ball in MikeD's system. Sessions would be a bad pairing with Joe. You'd want more of a spot up shooter. Mike Miller at the 3 and Gallo at the 4 would be fun to watch play with Johnson.

Donnie Craps His Pants Plan D - Make a max offer to Brandon Roy. Things are getting desperate, so we should start throwing money at the best available player. Roy is that in every aspect of the game. Sessions, Roy, Chandler would be a great set of perimeter players to build from. Tyrus Thomas would be a nice compliment to bring in with the rest of our $.
[Edited by - johnwallace44 on 08-03-2009 3:08 PM]

Wow, didn't think I'd be working on an edit to this plan a couple of days later, but it sounds like both Joe Johnson and Brandon Roy are working on extensions.

That leaves the pie in the sky Lebron and Wade plans, the franchise crushing Bosh plan (he's not a difference maker), and the long-shot overpay Rudy Gay and Lamarcus Aldridge plans.

How warm is that seat getting Donnie?
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8/5/2009  10:09 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by JohnWallace44:


Plan C Get Joe Johnson - Joe holds the ball like crazy, but is a serious player. You'd be making this move in the hopes that he can play more unselfish ball in MikeD's system. Sessions would be a bad pairing with Joe. You'd want more of a spot up shooter. Mike Miller at the 3 and Gallo at the 4 would be fun to watch play with Johnson.

Donnie Craps His Pants Plan D - Make a max offer to Brandon Roy. Things are getting desperate, so we should start throwing money at the best available player. Roy is that in every aspect of the game. Sessions, Roy, Chandler would be a great set of perimeter players to build from. Tyrus Thomas would be a nice compliment to bring in with the rest of our $.
[Edited by - johnwallace44 on 08-03-2009 3:08 PM]

Wow, didn't think I'd be working on an edit to this plan a couple of days later, but it sounds like both Joe Johnson and Brandon Roy are working on extensions.

That leaves the pie in the sky Lebron and Wade plans, the franchise crushing Bosh plan (he's not a difference maker), and the long-shot overpay Rudy Gay and Lamarcus Aldridge plans.

How warm is that seat getting Donnie?

what's the other side of the plan Donnie is missing?
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8/5/2009  10:17 AM
If there's no real shot until 2011 to add real talent, then go out and absorb talent that teams are looking to shed and pick up assets to go along with them.

You could look to trade for players like Dunleavy, or Battier who expire in 2011 and actually make the Knicks competitive.

Dare I say it... you could bring in Crawford...

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8/5/2009  11:06 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If there's no real shot until 2011 to add real talent, then go out and absorb talent that teams are looking to shed and pick up assets to go along with them.

You could look to trade for players like Dunleavy, or Battier who expire in 2011 and actually make the Knicks competitive.

Dare I say it... you could bring in Crawford...

so your plan would have been to keep Crawford and Zbo until 2011 and hope that HOU trades the likes of Battier? This is the plan that Donnie should have followed? Maybe add Baron as a flier?
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8/5/2009  11:19 AM
Martin, I would add better than average NBA level talent that expires in 2011 if it starts to look like there's no shot at the 2010 plan working and in taking on those contracts I would look to add future assets.

Is there something crazy about that? There's no benefit in doing otherwise as more of these 2010ers resign.

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8/5/2009  11:26 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Martin, I would add better than average NBA level talent that expires in 2011 if it starts to look like there's no shot at the 2010 plan working and in taking on those contracts I would look to add future assets.

Is there something crazy about that? There's no benefit in doing otherwise as more of these 2010ers resign.

Well, LeBron, Wade still have not extended and is there any reason why they shouldn't if they do indeed to stay in their home cities? By your own words, Donnie should be sticking to his 2010 plan, no?
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