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Silverfuel
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12/15/2003  8:35 PM
It is impossible not to be upset with him when he makes questionable moves regularly. Ex: Frank WIlliams gets 6 mins playing time last night. Benches players exactly when they get hot. Allow Ward to shoot at end of games when we are down by 2 and need a win. Not play Deke when is clearly being effective and I could go on for a few.

Almost making playoffs in the east is no achievement. Its fair though that I should judge him at the end of the year and not right now but that does not mean I will support and the same applies to you. He is not at all competent for this job and hte record speaks for itself.
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12/15/2003  10:24 PM
Look at the talent last yr and we almost make the playoffs. Do the math, no center sg (spree)playing sf cmon man. Watch the run we make in the end, if these guys didn't play hard for Chaney then that would be different. He also has too many guys that think they should get run , either management wants them to play for trade purposes or they make too much "JACK" to sit the pine.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/15/2003  11:07 PM
Dont tell me about last year's talent when we have a better roster this year and a worse record. And since you did go there, can you show me where on Orlando's roster you would find a center and/or and second player that can compare to Houston or Spree? They made the playoffs but this year their record was terrible and their coach got fired. Same thing in Phoenix! Coaches have to be held accountable for their team's record.

You cannot go back to last year because that was different. Look at what he is doing right now because that is what I am judging him on. He is making bad decisions over and over. If you want to give him a break based on last year's record then go ahead. I cannot convince you when you choose to blindly support him.

I have faith in this team too. It is one thing to be optimistic and another to be in denial.
Posted by playa2:

Chaney is not the best coach the knicks could have had, but under the circumstances when "Vandunce" walked out on this Franchise they had no one else to coach them.
If you agree that Chaney was not the best coach the knicks could have had in the past, then you must agree that he is not the best coach we can have at present. That is exactly what I am saying! He is not the best coach right now so get us the best or even a better alternative!
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12/16/2003  8:43 AM
benching Van horn might wake his ass up! The dude needs to step up or face the music? This guy is so talented, what in the world is his problem? If he is soft, then why? Some guys just don't have the passion, but how do you stay in NBA shape, develope that kind of talent, and menatlly check out?

For the 100th time, chaney is an average coach. Good company man, and the players will play for him.

Fear not, he will not take us to the promised land!

Im scared Dice will get a huge new contract.
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12/16/2003  10:06 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Dont tell me about last year's talent when we have a better roster this year and a worse record. And since you did go there, can you show me where on Orlando's roster you would find a center and/or and second player that can compare to Houston or Spree? They made the playoffs but this year their record was terrible and their coach got fired. Same thing in Phoenix! Coaches have to be held accountable for their team's record.

You cannot go back to last year because that was different. Look at what he is doing right now because that is what I am judging him on. He is making bad decisions over and over. If you want to give him a break based on last year's record then go ahead. I cannot convince you when you choose to blindly support him.

I have faith in this team too. It is one thing to be optimistic and another to be in denial.
Posted by playa2:

Chaney is not the best coach the knicks could have had, but under the circumstances when "Vandunce" walked out on this Franchise they had no one else to coach them.
If you agree that Chaney was not the best coach the knicks could have had in the past, then you must agree that he is not the best coach we can have at present. That is exactly what I am saying! He is not the best coach right now so get us the best or even a better alternative!
Looky here bro, Orlando had a system with great shooters and LEAGUES LEADING SCORER T-MAC. Garrity , Girechek, Armstrong could all stroke it Shawn Kemp was a wide body who got the job done. Orlando came on at the end of the yr and played tuff but lost against philly in playoffs. So wait until NY goes to playoffs and and plays tuff,save ya judgement ok.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/16/2003  10:44 AM
Posted by playa2:

Orlando came on at the end of the yr and played tuff but lost against philly in playoffs.
Orlando lost to Detroit bro! 1st round. Never played Philly! You are also saying T-MAC was really good. Well they have T-mac this year too, how come they are doing so terrible? Doc still got fired.

My point is that last year is the past unless your team went deep into the playoffs and showed promise. It is always "how the team is doing in the present." It's not doing well because Chaney is running weird schemes!

We need a 9 game win streak another 7 more in a row to get to .500! I held my judgement till they were 5 games under .500 and now I cannot! He is not fit for the Knicks HC job! I like the team and the roster, I just hate the coach....
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12/16/2003  12:01 PM
cool , My bad it was detroit. Why did you overlook those shooter I mentioned? T-MAC would drive and dish and those guys(Garrity-Girechek-Armstrong were shooting the lights out., my question to you is where are those players now? THERE Gone and so is Doc Rivers. That team was more experienced than this current Magic team cmon man .
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
Silverfuel
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12/16/2003  3:04 PM
Posted by playa2:

cool , My bad it was detroit. Why did you overlook those shooter I mentioned? T-MAC would drive and dish and those guys(Garrity-Girechek-Armstrong were shooting the lights out., my question to you is where are those players now? THERE Gone and so is Doc Rivers. That team was more experienced than this current Magic team cmon man .

exactly my point. the magic management see's that Doc is not winning with this team. They wont give him a break even though Armstrong is gone and Garrity is out.

The knicks are getting players back and they added Deke as a starting Center! Doleac is better than he was last year. This team is significantly better (not taking spree into consideration, don't jump on me all the spree fans) than last years team and yet Chaney loses and management overlooks them.

I hope the team wins too man. I would love Chaney if he can take us to the finals and win a championship but it aint happening. Why postpone the inevitable. Start with a new coach now instead of 2004-2005.
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12/16/2003  5:02 PM
Silver, who do you think would take the knicks job besides (hard uP) Mike Fratello? Mind you I didn't say who would fit the knicks coaching job, but who would "TAKE IT" in it's current dilema.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/16/2003  5:29 PM
Posted by playa2:

Silver, who do you think would take the knicks job besides (hard uP) Mike Fratello? Mind you I didn't say who would fit the knicks coaching job, but who would "TAKE IT" in it's current dilema.
I dont know but that still doesn't know i'll support him and his decisions. I'll live with him cause I have to but I cannot say he is a good coach!
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12/16/2003  6:12 PM
Read my quote:I don't defend mgmt, but try to understand and accept some things.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/16/2003  6:53 PM
Posted by playa2:

Look at the talent last yr and we almost make the playoffs. Do the math, no center sg (spree)playing sf cmon man. Watch the run we make in the end, if these guys didn't play hard for Chaney then that would be different.
I was replying to this post not to ur signature
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12/17/2003  11:44 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by playa2:

Look at the talent last yr and we almost make the playoffs. Do the math, no center sg (spree)playing sf cmon man. Watch the run we make in the end, if these guys didn't play hard for Chaney then that would be different.
I was replying to this post not to ur signature

Silver, Playa(self) got that line from Nedyal1. It was posted in one of the thread where he and I were going at it and Playa(self) got it from there.

I am glad you see Playa(self) as the fickle bandwagon-jumper that he is. Damn right he supported Chaney, and now he is trying to sneak on the back of the Fire Chaney bus like it's all good. It's true. That's why he had to get called on it.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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12/17/2003  12:17 PM
Core , get a grip! We don't know if he is mandated to play certain players for trade purposes. Deadline is coming.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/17/2003  12:26 PM
Man, you have more excuses thean LayDown & Chaney! You'd fit in just fine with the current Knicks (mis)management.

Now it's because of showcasing players? What about the Knicks vs. Warriors thread where you are talking about firing him then?

Pick a side and stick with it. The fence-riding routine is played out.

Get a grip, and handle it.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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12/17/2003  1:47 PM
Hardcore...how about that game against the Warriors? I almost switched my pick in gamepicker to a W - luckily I realized this is the Knicks playing
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12/17/2003  2:17 PM
It's funny that you ask me about that while I am watching the 4th quarter of the replay (I missed it last night because I was @ work). Man I don't believe that I never even called that game on the gamepicker. I forgot.

It seemed that after GS got up by 20 the Knicks started trading baskets...

Oh wow... Final buzzer.. I hear the boos, they had the camera on Chaney and he looked like a little kid lost in a mall. He has to know that the jig is up for his job. His days are numbered- mark my words. If this keeps up LayDown will hit the curb behind him either during or after this season.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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12/17/2003  2:50 PM
Nick Van Exel:
"I think they have a lot of good key people to be successful," Van Exel said after the Warriors so thoroughly dominated in their 104-86 win that he didn't even play the final 16:30. "I don't know what the problem is. I think they probably need to get a little more (scoring in the) open court, instead of doing so much halfcourt and isolation basketball. It's easy to defend halfcourt sets because you know what's coming. It ain't working this way."

Playa, you definitely supported Chaney and his "motion" offense. Well here is a guy in the know and this is what he thinks of it. It doesn't EXIST! The guy is totally predictable and has done NOTHING about installing his system on this team. He has no system! He is just useless and while that maybe what Dolan wants, why should that change our disdain for him and Layden! The fact that he would allow himself to be treated in this way, makes it even worse! JVG left becasue he would not be a YES man and you admonish him for it. Now do you see what a YES man gets?

Chaney has had 2 full years to do something. His record is about 38 games under .500 in that time. Look at what Hubie Brown has done in Memphis in less time. They have a style, they have discipline. NY is SOOOO LOST....almost every article today points to it.

You did back Chaney. Be a man and say it and maybe some of us can repect you a bit more.


By the way, where were you when they lost 6 in a row? conveniently out of town?

I'd rather have Marj jackson coach this team. At least I would chalk up the losses to him learning the job. Chaney is an old man. he has been around. Look at young Bzdelik and mussleman. rookie coaches in their 2nd years have their teams playing well.


Later
playa2
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12/17/2003  3:22 PM
Both of those coaches have athletic players stop tripping!
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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