Posted by SupremeCommander:

AI makes the Knicks worth watching next season... otherwise the year is spent watching Chandler maybe blossom into the 25th best swingman in the league, praying Gallo's back holds, praying Hill isn't one of those high-upside-potential busts, and Douglas is actually good--not that he was good in college because he was 23.

We got eight guys on the team playing for contracts why not a former scoring champion who would look for his last payday. **** it. The economy is nosediving and if it continues the season subscriber base will too meaning the cap'll plummet and we still have Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries on the roster--and the latter should have been traded at the deadline. People have said it over and over again the only thing that matters is managing the cap next year.

So, what if AI is getting 25 or 26 points a game at the deadline. You're telling me we cant package AI and Jared Jeffries/Eddy Curry to a team looking to make a run at the chip?

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

AI makes the Knicks worth watching next season... otherwise the year is spent watching Chandler maybe blossom into the 25th best swingman in the league, praying Gallo's back holds, praying Hill isn't one of those high-upside-potential busts, and Douglas is actually good--not that he was good in college because he was 23.

We got eight guys on the team playing for contracts why not a former scoring champion who would look for his last payday. **** it. The economy is nosediving and if it continues the season subscriber base will too meaning the cap'll plummet and we still have Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries on the roster--and the latter should have been traded at the deadline. People have said it over and over again the only thing that matters is managing the cap next year.

So, what if AI is getting 25 or 26 points a game at the deadline. You're telling me we cant package AI and Jared Jeffries/Eddy Curry to a team looking to make a run at the chip?

it could just as easily backfire. Dude could pout, ditch practice, hog the ball and do nothing to improve the quality of play.

I mean if you want entertainment just give Nate 25 shots a game. I'm not sure at this point in their careers that Iverson is a better scorer than Nate.

true but I'm not sure if Nate + Jeffries gets the casual owner to give up an expiring. AI's name is a brand. Ideally if they could get both signed and package one with Curry and the other with Jeffries I'd be all about it. This team isn't making the playoffs so I'd like to get assets that can be packaged with our crap

[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-29-2009 10:36 AM]

Posted by fishmike:

I have always been a huge Iverson fan, and I think he is the best little man to play the game. That being said I dont think he fills a need here. We have a lot of scorers. I think the focus should be on a facilitator and a defender. Is he going to play PG for us? Is he a better scorer than Nate right now?

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

AI makes the Knicks worth watching next season... otherwise the year is spent watching Chandler maybe blossom into the 25th best swingman in the league, praying Gallo's back holds, praying Hill isn't one of those high-upside-potential busts, and Douglas is actually good--not that he was good in college because he was 23.

We got eight guys on the team playing for contracts why not a former scoring champion who would look for his last payday. **** it. The economy is nosediving and if it continues the season subscriber base will too meaning the cap'll plummet and we still have Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries on the roster--and the latter should have been traded at the deadline. People have said it over and over again the only thing that matters is managing the cap next year.

So, what if AI is getting 25 or 26 points a game at the deadline. You're telling me we cant package AI and Jared Jeffries/Eddy Curry to a team looking to make a run at the chip?

it could just as easily backfire. Dude could pout, ditch practice, hog the ball and do nothing to improve the quality of play.

I mean if you want entertainment just give Nate 25 shots a game. I'm not sure at this point in their careers that Iverson is a better scorer than Nate.

true but I'm not sure if Nate + Jeffries gets the casual owner to give up an expiring. AI's name is a brand. Ideally if they could get both signed and package one with Curry and the other with Jeffries I'd be all about it. This team isn't making the playoffs so I'd like to get assets that can be packaged with our crap

[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-29-2009 10:36 AM]

I think you grossly overestimate AI's value. He's not gotten so much as the veteran's min offer. Guys like Sheed, Gooden, Hill, etc have all quickly found new homes. The best AI had a rumor from Memphis. He played really really poorly for Det last year. I just dont see the upside to bringing him in here for entertainment and trade bait. It looks like such a chemistry killer on paper also. Douglas totally focused on playing PG in the summer league and had like an 8:1 assist:TO ratio. Nate scored 17 a game last year on 44%. Duhon played very well as well. What does it say to these guys when we bring in AI for entertainment?

I'll pass.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

AI makes the Knicks worth watching next season... otherwise the year is spent watching Chandler maybe blossom into the 25th best swingman in the league, praying Gallo's back holds, praying Hill isn't one of those high-upside-potential busts, and Douglas is actually good--not that he was good in college because he was 23.

We got eight guys on the team playing for contracts why not a former scoring champion who would look for his last payday. **** it. The economy is nosediving and if it continues the season subscriber base will too meaning the cap'll plummet and we still have Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries on the roster--and the latter should have been traded at the deadline. People have said it over and over again the only thing that matters is managing the cap next year.

So, what if AI is getting 25 or 26 points a game at the deadline. You're telling me we cant package AI and Jared Jeffries/Eddy Curry to a team looking to make a run at the chip?

it could just as easily backfire. Dude could pout, ditch practice, hog the ball and do nothing to improve the quality of play.

I mean if you want entertainment just give Nate 25 shots a game. I'm not sure at this point in their careers that Iverson is a better scorer than Nate.

true but I'm not sure if Nate + Jeffries gets the casual owner to give up an expiring. AI's name is a brand. Ideally if they could get both signed and package one with Curry and the other with Jeffries I'd be all about it. This team isn't making the playoffs so I'd like to get assets that can be packaged with our crap

[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-29-2009 10:36 AM]

I think you grossly overestimate AI's value. He's not gotten so much as the veteran's min offer. Guys like Sheed, Gooden, Hill, etc have all quickly found new homes. The best AI had a rumor from Memphis. He played really really poorly for Det last year. I just dont see the upside to bringing him in here for entertainment and trade bait. It looks like such a chemistry killer on paper also. Douglas totally focused on playing PG in the summer league and had like an 8:1 assist:TO ratio. Nate scored 17 a game last year on 44%. Duhon played very well as well. What does it say to these guys when we bring in AI for entertainment?

I'll pass.

He didn't pan out in Detroit. Wasn't an ideal fit in Denver. Here he' have a starring role. Maybe I am overestimating AI. But the same could be said with you regarding the Summer League MVP.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by fishmike:

I have always been a huge Iverson fan, and I think he is the best little man to play the game. That being said I dont think he fills a need here. We have a lot of scorers. I think the focus should be on a facilitator and a defender. Is he going to play PG for us? Is he a better scorer than Nate right now?

I believe he's better than Nate right now.

Iverson's last season with real playing time = 27ppg on 46% shooting. Nate last season was 17ppg on 41% shooting. Iverson = 35% from 3, Nate is 31% from 3. Nate is certainly a poor man's Iverson, but if we're looking at Nate as a one season rental at this point, why not look at Iverson for the same role?

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

AI makes the Knicks worth watching next season... otherwise the year is spent watching Chandler maybe blossom into the 25th best swingman in the league, praying Gallo's back holds, praying Hill isn't one of those high-upside-potential busts, and Douglas is actually good--not that he was good in college because he was 23.

We got eight guys on the team playing for contracts why not a former scoring champion who would look for his last payday. **** it. The economy is nosediving and if it continues the season subscriber base will too meaning the cap'll plummet and we still have Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries on the roster--and the latter should have been traded at the deadline. People have said it over and over again the only thing that matters is managing the cap next year.

So, what if AI is getting 25 or 26 points a game at the deadline. You're telling me we cant package AI and Jared Jeffries/Eddy Curry to a team looking to make a run at the chip?

it could just as easily backfire. Dude could pout, ditch practice, hog the ball and do nothing to improve the quality of play.

I mean if you want entertainment just give Nate 25 shots a game. I'm not sure at this point in their careers that Iverson is a better scorer than Nate.

true but I'm not sure if Nate + Jeffries gets the casual owner to give up an expiring. AI's name is a brand. Ideally if they could get both signed and package one with Curry and the other with Jeffries I'd be all about it. This team isn't making the playoffs so I'd like to get assets that can be packaged with our crap

[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-29-2009 10:36 AM]

I think you grossly overestimate AI's value. He's not gotten so much as the veteran's min offer. Guys like Sheed, Gooden, Hill, etc have all quickly found new homes. The best AI had a rumor from Memphis. He played really really poorly for Det last year. I just dont see the upside to bringing him in here for entertainment and trade bait. It looks like such a chemistry killer on paper also. Douglas totally focused on playing PG in the summer league and had like an 8:1 assist:TO ratio. Nate scored 17 a game last year on 44%. Duhon played very well as well. What does it say to these guys when we bring in AI for entertainment?

I'll pass.

He didn't pan out in Detroit. Wasn't an ideal fit in Denver. Here he' have a starring role. Maybe I am overestimating AI. But the same could be said with you regarding the Summer League MVP.

Not saying Douglas is better than AI man... just that AI is a bad idea here. I am with you on Tinsley. If he's got a roster spot I will throw up.

I think we should just stick to the plan of building something.

Iverson... 34 and coming off a season of 17ppg and shooting 42%

Really? He played 57 games last year to boot.

He's not ideal... I know he's diminished. My thought process now though is if he can reach the mid point between last season and his last good season, at $5.8 million we can package him with Curry to a team that fools itself into thinking AI is the missing piece to a championship. Not to mention the DuDu platter comes off the bench or at least can spend more time on the bench to recover from his hangover

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by fishmike:

I have always been a huge Iverson fan, and I think he is the best little man to play the game. That being said I dont think he fills a need here. We have a lot of scorers. I think the focus should be on a facilitator and a defender. Is he going to play PG for us? Is he a better scorer than Nate right now?

I believe he's better than Nate right now.

Iverson's last season with real playing time = 27ppg on 46% shooting. Nate last season was 17ppg on 41% shooting. Iverson = 35% from 3, Nate is 31% from 3. (Not Correct - Markji see below) Nate is certainly a poor man's Iverson, but if we're looking at Nate as a one season rental at this point, why not look at Iverson for the same role?

your prob right... but Iverson is a cast off with attitude issues. Nate is our guy. I think if there is a big difference its that.

Nate was 44% for the season. In Feb/March when Duhon burnt out I thought Nate really showed something and deserved a shot at starting PG for at least a 10 game game run

Feb: 13 games 24 points 48% FGs 5 rebs 5 assists
March 15 games 20 points 44% FGs 3 rebs 4.5 assists

Knicks lost a lot of games in those two months... no bones about it.

I just think it comes down to redundant players and keeping your own guy

Posted by fishmike:

I want Iverson I can sign him for $2mm right now. Why take Curry with him? Or JJ?

Our best bet is if Toney Douglas really looks good in practice and we can then move Nate or Duhon to a team that needs a guard along with JJ or Curry knowing that we can slide Douglas into that spot

Posted by Markji:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by fishmike:

I have always been a huge Iverson fan, and I think he is the best little man to play the game. That being said I dont think he fills a need here. We have a lot of scorers. I think the focus should be on a facilitator and a defender. Is he going to play PG for us? Is he a better scorer than Nate right now?

I believe he's better than Nate right now.

Iverson's last season with real playing time = 27ppg on 46% shooting. Nate last season was 17ppg on 41% shooting. Iverson = 35% from 3, Nate is 31% from 3. (Not Correct - Markji see below) Nate is certainly a poor man's Iverson, but if we're looking at Nate as a one season rental at this point, why not look at Iverson for the same role?

your prob right... but Iverson is a cast off with attitude issues. Nate is our guy. I think if there is a big difference its that.

Nate was 44% for the season. In Feb/March when Duhon burnt out I thought Nate really showed something and deserved a shot at starting PG for at least a 10 game game run

Feb: 13 games 24 points 48% FGs 5 rebs 5 assists
March 15 games 20 points 44% FGs 3 rebs 4.5 assists

Knicks lost a lot of games in those two months... no bones about it.

I just think it comes down to redundant players and keeping your own guy

Fish - I agree with you.

Crzy - Just a correction on your stats

Iverson 2008-09 3PT% = 28% and lifetime = 31%

Nate 2008-09 3pt% = 32.5% and lifetime = 35%

Nate is a better 3 Pt shooter than AI.