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s3231
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7/26/2009  10:32 AM
Posted by cooch2584:

Am I the only one here that thinks that Nate got his money because he didnt do his bidding thru the media? What does Lee and his dumb ass agent do now?? Nate played the good part, kept his mouth shut( and I dont think he was in on that
" I was disrepected") thing. I hope im right and Nate looks like the good guy and has a great yr. Lee better get his pen ready and sign for 6-7mil and shut up and play already!! By the way do we go after Bayless???

Nate got his money? He's only getting one year at $5 million. That is not a good deal at all considering he's coming off his best season as a pro.

If he gets hurt next season, he might get screwed.

This isn't one of those scenarios where Nate kept his mouth shut and got rewarded in the process (because a one year deal at $5 million isn't a reward and many other teams would gladly give Nate the same deal if they didn't think the Knicks would match). Instead, this is Nate realizing he has no leverage and only one choice, which is to take the 1 year deal and hopefully have a good enough season to land a better contract in a hopefully improved economy.
"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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7/26/2009  10:36 AM
And I don't think the door is shut on Sessions yet.

Keep in mind, if Nate does come back, we still only have 4 guards under contract for next season (Douglas, Nate, Hughes, and Duhon) with only one of those guards being in the long-term plan (Douglas).

It still makes a ton of sense to go after Sessions since we have that MLE and as I outlined in my finances thread, we can make sure Milwaukee doesn't match by giving him a bonus which would give Sessions $11 million in that 1st season.

Additionally, the possibility of a Duhon for Sessions sign and trade still exists. We can basically tell Milwaukee they have the option of taking Duhon back in a sign and trade (aka they get something) or we will make it very difficult to match an offer for Sessions at the full MLE.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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7/26/2009  10:44 AM
Posted by Paladin55:
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no more sessions:((

Nate is about 10X better.

As a PG??

As an overall player, he's MUCH better. As a PG, I would say yes, when he keeps his emotions in check. And last season, that was much improved, besides a few incidents, each which pissed me off. But for the most part, he's been much better. I just want to see Nate improve his defense.
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7/26/2009  10:49 AM
$5 million dollar trade bait is what he is
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7/26/2009  10:56 AM
Posted by TMS:

$5 million dollar trade bait is what he is

Exactly. Donnie just did this so he can get something for Nate.
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7/26/2009  11:11 AM
Posted by TMS:

$5 million dollar trade bait is what he is

also our best player in spite of his limitations.
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7/26/2009  11:14 AM
at least if Donnie gets him signed to this 1 year deal i don't have to worry about losing him for nothing for a few more months at least... this should buy him some time to work out some kinda trade to either dump Fishlips or Curry's contracts or at least get back something else of value like a 1st round pick in 2010... in the meantime Nate will be motivated to put up #'s once again since he'll still be playing for his next contract, so we'll have the best of both worlds if things work out the way Donnie hopes they will.
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7/26/2009  11:22 AM
Posted by TMS:

$5 million dollar trade bait is what he is

In your mind or Donnies mind? I still say he's a keeper.
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7/26/2009  11:30 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by TMS:

$5 million dollar trade bait is what he is

In your mind or Donnies mind?

that's how i think Donnie's thinking... if he was a keeper Donnie would have locked him up longterm... i know he still has the option of re-signing him after this season is over but IMO MDA does not deem Nate a good fit into his style of play & wants him outta here, & Donnie needs to get back something for him & isn't willing to let him walk for nothing, hence the 1 year deal that's being worked out.

if you're asking me what i think of Nate i agree w/what Donnie & MDA's mindsets are (that i think they have i should say)... i think Nate is an extremely gifted & talented player, but he's not the type of guy i think we can win with... he's a likeable guy & very entertaining, the fans love him & the hustle he plays with, but his weaknesses get exposed all too often & he's not an orchestrator of an offense at all so he's not going to be a longterm solution for us at the PG position... i also get annoyed at the excessive showboatin' & look at me shenanigans he puts on display after every play he makes... i don't think he's ever gonna change in that regard.
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7/26/2009  11:31 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by TMS:

$5 million dollar trade bait is what he is

In your mind or Donnies mind? I still say he's a keeper.

How would we keep Nate though?

His cap hold will be $7.5 million for that 2010 FA market. If we don't renounce his rights, we basically have no money to spend on free agents. We have to renounce his rights and when we do that, we won't have the money to resign him.

This was done to trade Nate. Unless anyone here thinks Nate would actually resign for the min, there is basically no chance he comes back long-term.



[Edited by - s3231 on 07-26-2009 11:31 AM]
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7/26/2009  11:33 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by TMS:

$5 million dollar trade bait is what he is

In your mind or Donnies mind?

that's how i think Donnie's thinking... if he was a keeper Donnie would have locked him up longterm... i know he still has the option of re-signing him after this season is over but IMO MDA does not deem Nate a good fit into his style of play & wants him outta here, & Donnie needs to get back something for him & isn't willing to let him walk for nothing, hence the 1 year deal that's being worked out.

if you're asking me what i think of Nate i agree w/what Donnie & MDA's mindsets are (that i think they have i should say)... i think Nate is an extremely gifted & talented player, but he's not the type of guy i think we can win with... he's a likeable guy & very entertaining, the fans love him & the hustle he plays with, but his weaknesses get exposed all too often & he's not an orchestrator of an offense at all so he's not going to be a longterm solution for us at the PG position... i also get annoyed at the excessive showboatin' & look at me shenanigans he puts on display after every play he makes... i don't think he's ever gonna change in that regard.

yeah, i agree the jury is out on nate. maybe not getting ANY offers from other teams this summer was an eye-opener for him and he'll be more a team player this year. i think donnie is playing this right - let nate play for his next contract this year. in all likelihood we can sign him to a MLE type deal next summer.

but for what it's worth: people talked about Sessions posting 15ppg and 7apg as a starter. Nate put up 21ppg 5apg 5rpg as a starter this season. i think he can be a valuable off the bench guy on a playoff team and i'd love to keep him around. he's perfect for mike's system, as long as he plays within the system and doesn't get too big of a head. hopefully the fact that no one offered him anything this summer makes him realize that he needs to tone down the antics and play less selfishly.
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7/26/2009  11:37 AM
We can't sign Nate to an MLE type deal next summer.

A) Because if we are under the cap, we won't have an MLE to use.

B) to sign Nate to MLE money, we have to keep his bird right's, which means a $7.5 million cap hold and no possibility of signing a max. free agent.

Unless I'm dead wrong on this CBA stuff, I see no way we can keep him here long-term while also adhering to Donnie's plan.
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7/26/2009  11:39 AM
Posted by cooch2584:

Please tell me whats more important wins and losses or development??
We have Toney Douglas who showed a lot of promise as a point guard, changing his collegiate role of SG. And he is an excellent defender. I am glad he will get a chance to develop.....and that we keep N8....for awhile at least. And wait to see how this year unfolds.

And we also have Hill to develop ....who also has a tremendous amount of potential and needs a year to see how he develops. We don't need Warrick right now.



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7/26/2009  11:40 AM
if we end up signing Nate & Sessions then i think Duhon is gonna be traded for sure.
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7/26/2009  11:44 AM
Posted by TMS:

if we end up signing Nate & Sessions then i think Duhon is gonna be traded for sure.
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7/26/2009  11:47 AM
I think it definitely ends the Sessions for the MLE deal. The knicks have CD, TD and N8 to handle PG. Hughes, N8 and Almond and Chandler (?) for SG.

Next up Lee. I think he sees this and does the same thing. My guess 1 year for $8M.
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7/26/2009  11:48 AM
Posted by TMS:

if we end up signing Nate & Sessions then i think Duhon is gonna be traded for sure.

Duhon could be the one going in a sign and trade for Sessions.
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7/26/2009  11:49 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:
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if we end up signing Nate & Sessions then i think Duhon is gonna be traded for sure.

Duhon could be the one going in a sign and trade for Sessions.

that would seem to be a logical scenario
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7/26/2009  12:30 PM
A Sessions and n8 backcourt would be hard to deal with for most teams...
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7/26/2009  12:58 PM
you cant trade a player on the QO unless they agree to my understanding...
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