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misterearl
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7/25/2009  9:29 PM
arkrud - stop it

Al Harrington is not stupid. Certainly, I cringed when he hung on the rim a SECOND time but that was over-exuberance at the worst possible time in a game.

You have some evidence to back up your "stupid" claim? Please share.
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Ira
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7/25/2009  9:46 PM
Being a good passing forward is just not Al Harrington's game. Passing requires unselfishness, but it is also a skill. David Lee is a good passer, LeBron James is a very good passer as is Grant Hill. Harrington isn't as bad a passer as Eddy, but if he tries to get 5 assists a game, he'll be forcing the issue and not helping the team.
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7/25/2009  10:01 PM
Posted by Ira:

Being a good passing forward is just not Al Harrington's game. Passing requires unselfishness, but it is also a skill. David Lee is a good passer, LeBron James is a very good passer as is Grant Hill. Harrington isn't as bad a passer as Eddy, but if he tries to get 5 assists a game, he'll be forcing the issue and not helping the team.

That's a good point. Remember the force it into Eddy season? Eddy himself gave up 4TOs a game quite regularly - and even worse - the guards trying to force it into HIM were giving up 4TOs of their own.

Now, Lee has very good court vision, but he's so lazy with the passes. Why? I don't think any of us know but he just telegraphs them and even worse puts no zip on them. Also how many times does Lee steal the ball - or - recover a lost possession - only to immediately just chuck it right to the opponent? I don't understand that - I never will.

Al Harrington isn't a great passer but he's usually on target. It's a matter of frame of mind. The problem here is we have a player who has been around for quite some time and now he's saying he's going to vastly change a facet of his game. If you have Al Harrington out there trying to think about passing instead of just playing? You have a worthless player. Now, not only won't you have the scoring, but you'll also end up with turnovers.

For Al to be effective he just has to keep plugging along as he always has. I like the effort to change but you can't in a fast paced game. You try to change you're going to find yourself dead in the water far too often to be effective.

Al Harrington is who he is and when he's on you love him. When he's off you kind of accept it. Yet, as I have said, and I don't know if it's truly accurate or not, but a guy like Harrington forces himself to be your #1. When a guy like him is your #1 you're only going as far as he's taking you - and it's never going to be that far - because he simply ISNT a superstar.

I don't know what to say about AL other than he's a tremendous trade asset. I wish he could make good on his word but there is no way he can. He tries to make good on his word - anything he brings to the table starts falling off. Then you have a scorer who isn't scoring and on top of that making more mistakes than he ever has. The heart is in the right place. Reality of the situation is not.

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7/25/2009  10:06 PM
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - stop it

Al Harrington is not stupid. Certainly, I cringed when he hung on the rim a SECOND time but that was over-exuberance at the worst possible time in a game.

You have some evidence to back up your "stupid" claim? Please share.

You just answered you question. Why are you asking?

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7/25/2009  10:09 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - stop it

Al Harrington is not stupid. Certainly, I cringed when he hung on the rim a SECOND time but that was over-exuberance at the worst possible time in a game.

You have some evidence to back up your "stupid" claim? Please share.

You just answered you question. Why are you asking?

ROFL

And no doubt....Al's got some rocks banging around in his head.

That was something special though. Same opponent, same circumstance, same play, same idiotic move, two games won ---- and then two games lost by the same idiotic response.

Absolutely special skill there by Al. You can't script that you can't duplicate that. Somehow....he did. All I can do is LAUGH at that.
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7/25/2009  10:40 PM
At least you know what you get with Al, rocks and all. Honestly, his words carry more meaning, as far as wanting to play for the Knicks, than D Lee's supposed desires to do the same ever will at this point.
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7/25/2009  10:43 PM
Posted by ramtour420:

At least you know what you get with Al, rocks and all. Honestly, his words carry more meaning, as far as wanting to play for the Knicks, than D Lee's supposed desires to do the same ever will at this point.

I would keep Harrington over Lee no doubt about it.

Yet, I have to see what both players faults are - and to be honest - both are terrible in terms of a cohesive team looking to do big things.

Yet, again, Harrington > Lee if it came down to that. I'd prefer neither to be honest. Except, I'd love Lee as a 20mpg player off the bench at 5M per year. Yet, that's not realistic, so...onward we go.
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7/25/2009  10:48 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I think Harrington words are genuine. He's been saying it since he's gotten here.

His game and body has changed so much since he first came in the league. I think he will definately attempt to change for the system and so he can stick around and continue his career in NY.

Do you think that he will take a cut to $7M/year and the loss of minutes as younger players earn more time?

People have told me that I am a bit crazy when I say that Harrington's best roll on this team in the future is to be an instant offense guy coming off the bench (at diminished pay from his $10M/yr) and earning his minutes for any particular game according to how he plays that night (no guaranteed time), but that is what I see for him. I'm told that he is not the type of player who will accept less money and a smaller roll on a good team (see the Pacers), but for me, that is the only way he should be back on the Knicks next year.

His defense is inconsistent, his rebounding is not so good for a PF, he blocks shots about as poorly as Lee, his APG are terrible for a guy who played 35 MPG and handled the ball as much as he did last year, and as we all know his decision making is spotty, at best. Add to that all the times he has screwed up at the end of games and you have a guy best suited for coming off the bench. Nonetheless the guy is one of the most versatile scorers in the league-can shoot from almost anywhere, finish his drives with both hands, and hit his foul shots.

I would love to have him back next year if he was willing to come off the bench and take less (Maybe $6-7M/year) than he got this year. You expect him to have a good statistical year since he is probably looking for his last significant contract in the NBA. You also expect that he is probably going to be asking for more than we are willing to pay him.
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7/25/2009  10:53 PM
I say that Harrington's best roll on this team in the future is to be an instant offense guy coming off the bench (at diminished pay from his $10M/yr) and earning his minutes for any particular game according to how he plays that night (no guaranteed time)

No, you're not crazy to say that, and it's the truth, it's just that a guy like Al will never do that until he is 35 years old.

Unfortunately, what you just said, could be attached to any "good" player we have right now. Harrington, Lee, Chandler, Nate, etc....

The only way any of these guys gets away being starters is if you simply add them to a current top 6 (magic, celtics, lakers, cavs, nuggets, spurs) team.

Outside of those exceptions, where hell, if Samaki Walker can win a ring as a starter ANYONE IN THE WORLD can, who on this team is a legit starter?

Al Harrington that's who....and that's just sad.
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7/26/2009  2:00 AM
Odom is a ridiculously under achiever, I almost put him up there with Tim tommy, this guy can score from anywhere,pass like a pg,athletic, can block shots play good team D, I mean really odom is 6 10 and eats candy like a 5 year old..this is why he's not franchise when he should be(work ethic is way to poor) .He had the magic comparisons heavy come into the league..

Al's role is more of a anthony mason type role.IMO..we have no franchise player so he's ask to do a little more (not a good idea) I know the hanging on the rim thing has been beaten to death, but your never gonna to look at him with out that in your head...ever. Just like Starks 2 for 18

He's gonna have to win a few games for us in dramatic fashion..kobe drops 61 al drops 41 and he's not even in the same sentence when people talking about that game.

I don't mind him being here at all, I don't even mind if he starts, as long as he's a 3rd option.
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7/26/2009  11:19 AM
Posted by knicks1248:

Odom is a ridiculously under achiever, I almost put him up there with Tim tommy, this guy can score from anywhere,pass like a pg,athletic, can block shots play good team D, I mean really odom is 6 10 and eats candy like a 5 year old..this is why he's not franchise when he should be(work ethic is way to poor) .He had the magic comparisons heavy come into the league..

Al's role is more of a anthony mason type role.IMO..we have no franchise player so he's ask to do a little more (not a good idea) I know the hanging on the rim thing has been beaten to death, but your never gonna to look at him with out that in your head...ever. Just like Starks 2 for 18

He's gonna have to win a few games for us in dramatic fashion..kobe drops 61 al drops 41 and he's not even in the same sentence when people talking about that game.

I don't mind him being here at all, I don't even mind if he starts, as long as he's a 3rd option.

The last sentence in your post summarizes the situation for me. If you're depending on Harrington to carry a team, you're in bad shape. If you can come up with a franchise player and another all star level player on the team, then Harrington is very useful player to have around.
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