Posted by arkrud:

I think about Lee as about the soldier of the army which was on defense for 4 years since he join the ranks.
The army was retreating, lost all battles, and was leaded by stupid and arrogant generals. He sow soldiers betraying it and flat out deserters.
Lee was fighting all the time without looking back and doing what he can to help the team look better.
Now when army regrouped and starting to gain ground... he became expandable and somehow in the way of getting the heroes who will help us to concur the world.
Has he some rights to became frustrated about it? Or he should just say - thanks, I did all I can and the best I can do is to go home and free space for the big future?
What would you feel?

Nate could feel the same way --- so far I havent seen him whining about this contract stuff --- unless I missed something. And Nate is supposed to be the "immature one" around here.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by arkrud:

I think about Lee as about the soldier of the army which was on defense for 4 years since he join the ranks.
The army was retreating, lost all battles, and was leaded by stupid and arrogant generals. He sow soldiers betraying it and flat out deserters.
Lee was fighting all the time without looking back and doing what he can to help the team look better.
Now when army regrouped and starting to gain ground... he became expandable and somehow in the way of getting the heroes who will help us to concur the world.
Has he some rights to became frustrated about it? Or he should just say - thanks, I did all I can and the best I can do is to go home and free space for the big future?
What would you feel?

Don't worry, the harsh Soviet winter will ultimately defeat our enemies.

Lakers, Celtics, and Spurs... in deep... snow...

Posted by TMS:

i'm not a "Lee supporter" nor am i a "Lee hatter", i'm a Knicks fan... i want the Knicks to do what's best for the Knicks... i like Lee but if he's asking for too much we simply cannot afford to lock him up to that type of a contract & hamper our longterm plans, i'm sorry... that doesn't make me angry at D Lee & his agent for looking to make the most money they can out of free agency tho... some of u guys take this stuff way too personally on both accounts... if Lee wants more money u hate him for it... if the Knicks don't wanna pay Lee you hate the organization for not giving up to his demands... it's ridiculous.

Posted by arkrud:



It's a market and lee and his agent tried to sell him as high as possible. Walsh want to get him as cheep as possible.
Usually the seller and buyer will agree with something in between - 10+7/2=8.5 mils per. All the rest is optional.
Do you think if 8.5 per for Lee is acceptable or Walsh need to stick to 7 no matter what?

That's fine and good but don't whine when your demands are ignored and your presently ONLY buyer won't budge off of his either.

Especially when your value is much closer to your buyer's though and far from your own demanded selling price.

He keeps saying he's frustrated? Well fans are frustrated with him sans a few that think he deserves 10-12-14M+ a year.

Good Luck, Dave, just like Crawful and Zachass before you? When you return to MSG 1 fan will be in awe of your stats and the other 9 will be in awe of just how average a player you really are.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

If we were all in for 2010 then why weren't Lee and Nate dealt to move Jeffries at least at the deadline last year?

That's the question I want answered.

Because of that non-move we are stuck in a situation where we probably won't get LeBron or Wade because we can't get them both.

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by TMS:

i'm not a "Lee supporter" nor am i a "Lee hatter", i'm a Knicks fan... i want the Knicks to do what's best for the Knicks... i like Lee but if he's asking for too much we simply cannot afford to lock him up to that type of a contract & hamper our longterm plans, i'm sorry... that doesn't make me angry at D Lee & his agent for looking to make the most money they can out of free agency tho... some of u guys take this stuff way too personally on both accounts... if Lee wants more money u hate him for it... if the Knicks don't wanna pay Lee you hate the organization for not giving up to his demands... it's ridiculous.

I'm a racist hatter. Which race I hatt I have no idea so I'll just go all in and say I hate everyone equally. You all suck.

That said, it has nothing to do with hate for Lee, it has to wanting to not sign a player to money more than he is worth.

When you're looking to sign a player, you already know his strengths, otherwise why would you even consider the player in the first place.

Okay, that is said, we know his strengths. Now why WOULDNT we want to sign him? Ah, yes, his faults. Well, they've been listed ad-nauseum, and we all know what they are, and they are very glaring, and they suggest Lee is nothing more than a very good backup on a very good team.

So, how do you pay a player that is a good backup on a good team? You know, your 6th, 7th, or 8th man?

Not 12M, not 10M, hell, probably not even 8M a year.

...So this is where the discussion is among the objective.

Where the "hate" label comes out for fans like myself I'll never understand. I don't want my team to make a huge financial mistake on a player not worthy of it. Lee isn't worthy of it. A 32 win team at it's best and we're going to lock up David Lee to 5/65? Because that's what he wants? Because someone gave Nene 6/60? Why?

No thanks.

Either come at a KNICKS value or you go away. This Market-Value **** always just takes the pts/rebs into consideration - and never all the other things involved. Well, a LOT of those other things involved shows Lee isn't quite the star his pts/rebs make him out to be. You wanna pay a non-star 10-12M a year!?

I don't. I bet you don't want to either.

Some do. Maybe they're the one with agendas on here. Racist Hatter Alba Hatting Agendas.

Seriously... Lee stars at 7M or he can get bent.

Seriously...unless we land Dwight Howard, Shaq, Duncan, or Garnett in their primes - you don't sign David Lee to big money and start him anywhere on your contending team.

Given it's a rare shot we have a superstar front court mate? David Lee is what he is: A nice backup role playing forward.

Pay him as much...not more. He wants more, goodbye.

Posted by subzero0:

Ah, so its finally starting huh? Now everyone turns on Lee because to resign him at the money he is asking would mean damaging our chances to get a player we arent going to get in the first place. The fact remains friends, dumping everything in the race to try to sign Lebron is arguably one of the worst decisions Knick management has made. Instead of signing our good talent, making smart trades for future picks to try actually build a team we go LeBron, who wont come, or some other player(s) who will not make us a championship level team. Bravo Donnie Walsh, bravo. The best we can hope for now in the coming years is to become a team of perennial playoff losers... just like the Pacers and Suns.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by King1:

You are all saying that Lee is a 6th or 7th man on a contending team.

who's saying that?

Posted by King1:

David Lee was the best player on the team last year. You are all saying that Lee is a 6th or 7th man on a contending team. This means you have zero starters that can play on a contending team and Lebron is going to come next year. So the plan next year is get 5 starters.