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7/23/2009  9:31 PM
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nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

big numbers in a contract year on a crap team? are you talking about bargnani?

it could be. the contract was a risk that colangelo is taking. but i find it very hypocritcal for knicks fans to talk about lee not helping a team win when a player with the ball in his hands for most of the game couldn't help his either.

I dont think too many are being critical of Lee not helping his team win more. I think it just boils down to keeping out cap cleared for '10 and not over paying Lee. Besides, its kind of hard to compare Lee, who's been apart of a losing team for 4 years as opposed to Sessions starting half a season for Mil.
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7/23/2009  9:32 PM
Posted by Uptown:
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nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

big numbers in a contract year on a crap team? are you talking about bargnani?

it could be. the contract was a risk that colangelo is taking. but i find it very hypocritcal for knicks fans to talk about lee not helping a team win when a player with the ball in his hands for most of the game couldn't help his either.

I dont think too many are being critical of Lee not helping his team win more. I think it just boils down to keeping out cap cleared for '10 and not over paying Lee. Besides, its kind of hard to compare Lee, who's been apart of a losing team for 4 years as opposed to Sessions starting half a season for Mil.

have you watched the knicks the past 4 seasons? isiah, marbury, larry brown, curry, and dolan? you can't put their performance on lee.
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7/23/2009  9:34 PM
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sessions is an average point guard

he's no luke ridnour, that's for sure.

which is why he was his back up

Sessions has played one full year in the NBA. You can't say for sure that he is definitely a back-up. Luke, on the other hand has been in the league about 7 years or so. He's proved without a doubt that he is a back up.
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7/23/2009  9:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

big numbers in a contract year on a crap team? are you talking about bargnani?

it could be. the contract was a risk that colangelo is taking. but i find it very hypocritcal for knicks fans to talk about lee not helping a team win when a player with the ball in his hands for most of the game couldn't help his either.

I dont think too many are being critical of Lee not helping his team win more. I think it just boils down to keeping out cap cleared for '10 and not over paying Lee. Besides, its kind of hard to compare Lee, who's been apart of a losing team for 4 years as opposed to Sessions starting half a season for Mil.

have you watched the knicks the past 4 seasons? isiah, marbury, larry brown, curry, and dolan? you can't put their performance on lee.

I dont disagree. But you also can't blame a one year-part-time-starter for Milwaukee's ills.
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7/23/2009  9:36 PM
Posted by Uptown:
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nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

big numbers in a contract year on a crap team? are you talking about bargnani?

it could be. the contract was a risk that colangelo is taking. but i find it very hypocritcal for knicks fans to talk about lee not helping a team win when a player with the ball in his hands for most of the game couldn't help his either.

I dont think too many are being critical of Lee not helping his team win more. I think it just boils down to keeping out cap cleared for '10 and not over paying Lee. Besides, its kind of hard to compare Lee, who's been apart of a losing team for 4 years as opposed to Sessions starting half a season for Mil.

have you watched the knicks the past 4 seasons? isiah, marbury, larry brown, curry, and dolan? you can't put their performance on lee.

I dont disagree. But you also can't blame a one year-part-time-starter for Milwaukee's ills.

i don't at all. that's why i say it's hypocritical to make that observation with lee. (not you but others have).
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7/23/2009  9:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

have you watched the knicks the past 4 seasons? isiah, marbury, larry, curly, moe and dolan? you can't put their performance on lee.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-23-2009 21:51]
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7/23/2009  9:37 PM
Posted by Uptown:
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sessions is an average point guard

he's no luke ridnour, that's for sure.

which is why he was his back up

Sessions has played one full year in the NBA. You can't say for sure that he is definitely a back-up. Luke, on the other hand has been in the league about 7 years or so. He's proved without a doubt that he is a back up.

sessions was luke's back up. having sessions didn't stop the bucks from trading for luke. having sessions didn't stop the bucks from drafting jennings. however ny is about to offer him 5 years
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7/23/2009  9:43 PM
if we get sessions, would u guys be opposed to trading for t. chandler from NO, for something like duhon, curry, or jefferies n expirings...

how would dat look on our cap?

just curious
we could probably resign lee but that would hurt our cap but would make us playoff contenders if gallanari, chandler, and the young bucs stepped up.....

i think chandler is still one of the better defenders in the league, and we show we can score in this system already.....
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7/23/2009  9:44 PM
Posted by McK1:
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sessions is an average point guard

he's no luke ridnour, that's for sure.

which is why he was his back up

Sessions has played one full year in the NBA. You can't say for sure that he is definitely a back-up. Luke, on the other hand has been in the league about 7 years or so. He's proved without a doubt that he is a back up.

sessions was luke's back up. having sessions didn't stop the bucks from trading for luke. having sessions didn't stop the bucks from drafting jennings. however ny is about to offer him 5 years

Dont you mean, having Luke didnt prevent Mil from drafting Jennings? He was the starter as you claim wasn't he?

Look, teams stockpile all the time and figure out things later. Cleveland had Mark Price at the point and still drafted KJ. Nets had Mookie and drafted Kenny Anderson. Knicks had Mark and drafted Strickland.........In each case, one of the pg's was traded and ended up starting elsewhere. KJ in Pho, Mookie in ATL, Rod in San an, etc.....Sessions, IMO is still an unproven commodity. Cant say for sure that he's a back-up.

[Edited by - uptown on 07-23-2009 9:45 PM]
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7/23/2009  9:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-23-2009 9:26 PM]
contract year no... good #s on a bad yes. I mean, if Lee wasnt on a bad team he WOULD be worth $10mm no? Also Sessions has a very small body of work. I trust management on this because MDA's bother coached Sessions at some point (I think).

I think Knicks are pretty comfortable with what he can and cant do. Unless he totally tanks his value remains good as he's very young and will have a managable salary.
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7/23/2009  9:51 PM
luke was the 7 year vet coming to the end of his contract. sessions was the rookie. why draft jennings when you could just turn the team over to ramon and address another need in the draft like rebuilding the front court (RJ traded, Villa renounced)

with that being said Sessions is likely a starter. A 3 yr deal (with a team option) gives him ample opportunity to prove it





[Edited by - McK1 on 07-23-2009 9:53 PM]
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7/23/2009  9:52 PM
Session getting six a year bad team and a one year starter. Remember if he flourish in this system it is inflated. Lee flourished but it doenst count because of the system.
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7/23/2009  9:53 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-23-2009 9:26 PM]
contract year no... good #s on a bad yes. I mean, if Lee wasnt on a bad team he WOULD be worth $10mm no? Also Sessions has a very small body of work. I trust management on this because MDA's bother coached Sessions at some point (I think).

I think Knicks are pretty comfortable with what he can and cant do. Unless he totally tanks his value remains good as he's very young and will have a managable salary.


Good point on Lee, Fish. I mean lets be real here, Lee's put up very good numbers on a crap team for years. No knock on Lee, but maybe thats why teams aren't knocking down his door.
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7/23/2009  9:54 PM
Posted by fishmike:
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nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-23-2009 9:26 PM]
contract year no... good #s on a bad yes. I mean, if Lee wasnt on a bad team he WOULD be worth $10mm no? Also Sessions has a very small body of work. I trust management on this because MDA's bother coached Sessions at some point (I think).

I think Knicks are pretty comfortable with what he can and cant do. Unless he totally tanks his value remains good as he's very young and will have a managable salary.

i agree with you about trusting management. but d'antoni also loved marcus banks and gave him 4 years $24 mil only to bench him 2 months into the season.
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7/23/2009  9:55 PM
Posted by King1:

Session getting six a year bad team and a one year starter. Remember if he flourish in this system it is inflated. Lee flourished but it doenst count because of the system.

You are such a baby about this stuff. No one is saying they don't want Lee. They are saying they don't want Lee at the ridiculouls 10-12 mill a year that he's asking for. When Lee asks for the MLE you will see this whole entire board in favor of signing him.
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7/23/2009  9:55 PM
Posted by McK1:

luke was the 7 year vet coming to the end of his contract. sessions was the rookie. why draft jennings when you could just turn the team over to ramon and address another need in the draft like rebuilding the front court (RJ traded, Villa renounced)

with that being said Sessions is likely a starter. A 3 yr deal (with a team option) gives him ample opportunity to prove it




[Edited by - McK1 on 07-23-2009 9:53 PM]

Sessions was an unknown 2nd round pick. Bucks saw more talent in lottery pick Jennings. Jennings was BPA. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Edited by - GKFv2 on 07-23-2009 10:05 PM]
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7/23/2009  10:01 PM
There's also the possibility that Sessions' offer sheet was contingent on other deals being in the works (e.g., Nate + Curry/JJ for expirings and/or picks). My fingers are crossed that we get a signed offer sheet and then hear about a big trade that improves our SC situation for the next couple of summers.

I love N8, but like Lee he doesn't bring enough to the table for a long term deal. In MDA's system, the PG is the MOST important part, and getting a young passer like Sessions may prove to be brilliant in a couple of years. If not, we will trade him and make another move. Without a pure PG MDA's offense stagnates.
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7/23/2009  10:04 PM
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Session getting six a year bad team and a one year starter. Remember if he flourish in this system it is inflated. Lee flourished but it doenst count because of the system.

You are such a baby about this stuff. No one is saying they don't want Lee. They are saying they don't want Lee at the ridiculouls 10-12 mill a year that he's asking for. When Lee asks for the MLE you will see this whole entire board in favor of signing him.

i think king and s321 made a good point - on what are you basing the 10-12 mil a year for? is there a direct quote out there?
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7/23/2009  10:07 PM
I like Sessions and I understand that you can often find good players on bad teams (*cough cough Lee*).

Seriously though, I think this is a good opportunity to add a young and talented player to our core at a decent price. Unlike many others, I'm not convinced Wade and LeBron are coming to NY. Consequently, I'm a strong believer in stockpiling assets while maintaining some of that cap flexibility to make a bigger move. Getting Sessions doesn't mean we take ourselves out of 2010.

If Walsh could move Crawford and Zach for expirings, I have faith that he can find a way to unload a guy like Jeffries by adding Nate to the package.
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7/23/2009  10:11 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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Session getting six a year bad team and a one year starter. Remember if he flourish in this system it is inflated. Lee flourished but it doenst count because of the system.

You are such a baby about this stuff. No one is saying they don't want Lee. They are saying they don't want Lee at the ridiculouls 10-12 mill a year that he's asking for. When Lee asks for the MLE you will see this whole entire board in favor of signing him.

i think king and s321 made a good point - on what are you basing the 10-12 mil a year for? is there a direct quote out there?

Lee's agent has asked for that amount of money. Straight from the donkey's mouth.
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