Posted by TheGame:

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Posted by JohnWallace44:

OK, I could be way off base, but I'm going to try to pull this all together.

Portland and New York are the only remaining players in the NBA free-agency game. The Blazers want Miller and Lee and this Bayless statement sounds like they're trying to get both while getting the Knicks to back off, thus lowering the cost of both players.

If they give us Bayless and players to match Lee's new salary (Outlaw possibly), then we're going to pull out of the Miller competition.

That way they can get both players.

Portland gets Miller and Lee, Knicks get Bayless and Outlaw. That's basically the result.

Hopefully I'm close to guessing right on this one.

if we get Bayless & Outlaw out of Lee at this point i'll be very happy w/that.

hell yeah. a rookie-scale prospect at pg and a 2010 expiring.

The only problem is Portland is not going to offer Lee more than 4yr/$32 mill, which is probably what we are offering Lee. If Lee was willing to accept that, we would have signed him already.

i agree, i think it's more than likely he's gonna end up playing for the Q.O. & bolt via free agency in 2010.

As for the Knicks....I think they should take all offers off the table except the Q.O....especially if the Blazers are in fact offering Outlaw and Bayless....for the Knicks as a team? The Knicks get better...and thats the Bottom Line

Posted by Ira:

I don't know what to think about Bayless. He's the guy I wanted the Knicks to draft, but he didn't have a very good rookie season. Part of that might have had to do with his minutes, but I still think he should have done better.

I don't blame Lee's agent for his delusion. The Knicks told him to see what offers he would get and he didn't get a single one. He has to be aware of this.

Also, Lee has to know that if he accepts the qo instead of an $8 million deal, he's going to get $5 million less this year plus run the risk of an injury that will prevent him from getting any deal.

Bayless is a victim of Nate McMillian's coaching style which makes absolutely no sense...Bayless had a few break out performances in short minutes yet went right back to the bench. I follow the kid and this guy would already be untouchable if he got drafted by a club that could play him right away.

if he becomes a knick...unless he kills a kitten or has killed kittens before...D'antoni will have no choice but to play this kid. His offense is awesome...his playmaking will come while he grows with this young group we have....

Sessions is the new dick ride pipe dream....but Bayless still is a huge basketball talent and definately worthy of a Knick uniform.

On the plus side of things, I'm sure Bayless and Hill would be pretty comfortable together.

Posted by knicks1248:

I'm not interested in getting younger every off season, the growing pains are too much to handle..I cant see why most of you haven't reconize that already 2 or 3 core players in there early 20's is enough already..The problem I have with getting miller is that he doesn't shoot 3s well at all and that's so essential in MDA system. He does bring poise and veteren leadership, but with duhon still on the roster you now have to lame duck pg with no chance of becoming long term knicks which almost makes it" point" less. I mean we have no up incoming pg that he can even mentor

I agree, you can't build a team around nothing but young guys. You do need some vets. But we haven't decided who our young core is, so right now we are stockpiling as we search for more talent. As for Duhon being a lame duck pg, he was one the moment he signed his contract with us. But I'm not sure what you mean by no incoming pg to mentor. Toney Douglas?

Bayless would be another Nate if we're lucky w/o any of the circus clown shenanigans... flashy dunks & excitement off the bench, but not an orchestrator of an offense... pretty much another undersized SG... but at this point if we can nab any prospect w/an upside in exchange for Lee it's a bonus, cuz anything is better than seeing him sign a QO & leaving in 2010 for nothing.

I like Bayless and Outlaw and would be happy to have both. That being said, I watched Bayless in summer league last year for three games. I swear to god, I did not see the man pass one time. I think he can learn to be a better playmaker but he is never going to be a classic playmaker that runs an offense.

Posted by Ira:

I don't know what to think about Bayless. He's the guy I wanted the Knicks to draft, but he didn't have a very good rookie season. Part of that might have had to do with his minutes, but I still think he should have done better.

I don't blame Lee's agent for his delusion. The Knicks told him to see what offers he would get and he didn't get a single one. He has to be aware of this.

Also, Lee has to know that if he accepts the qo instead of an $8 million deal, he's going to get $5 million less this year plus run the risk of an injury that will prevent him from getting any deal.

- I remember posting with some Portland fans on RealGm about Bayless. I had always thought that although he was not PG material, he was at least a good sniper from the outside who could also go to the basket and score or be fouled. They indicated to me that Bayless had a lot of trouble with his jumper last year in terms of consistency, even during last year's SL, when some were having orgasms over him and fits about how we had not taken him. If he has trouble playing the point, and issues with his jumper (Mechanics or in his head?), his value is greatly diminished.

- Forgot about the injury issue- and next year's free agency for Lee if he takes the QO. Very true.

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I don't blame Lee's agent for his delusion.

Whose delusion- Lee, or his agent? ...But either way, how can you not blame Lee's agent- the agents are the ones who do all the number crunching and make the comparisons among comparable players to decide what the market value might be. Turns out that Lee's guy misread the tea leaves... big time.


[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-22-2009 2:26 PM]

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Rookie:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Ira:

I don't know what to think about Bayless. He's the guy I wanted the Knicks to draft, but he didn't have a very good rookie season. Part of that might have had to do with his minutes, but I still think he should have done better.

I don't blame Lee's agent for his delusion. The Knicks told him to see what offers he would get and he didn't get a single one. He has to be aware of this.

Also, Lee has to know that if he accepts the qo instead of an $8 million deal, he's going to get $5 million less this year plus run the risk of an injury that will prevent him from getting any deal.

Bayless is a victim of Nate McMillian's coaching style which makes absolutely no sense...Bayless had a few break out performances in short minutes yet went right back to the bench. I follow the kid and this guy would already be untouchable if he got drafted by a club that could play him right away.

if he becomes a knick...unless he kills a kitten or has killed kittens before...D'antoni will have no choice but to play this kid. His offense is awesome...his playmaking will come while he grows with this young group we have....

Sessions is the new dick ride pipe dream....but Bayless still is a huge basketball talent and definately worthy of a Knick uniform.

But is Bayless the guy you want to run your offense...or is he another undersized shooting guard?

He's a scoring guard that will get his assists...He has size and is strong. He's like Nate but the kid has better point guard instincts than Nate. Bayless would be more receptive to what D'antoni wants to do cuz he's a huge fan of Nash and what they did together in Pheonix. He said he followed closely as he played in Arizona.

Nash is a scorer as well. A big time scorer when he needs to be. Thing with D'antoni...he wants the ball in the point guards hands. Bayless is perfect cuz he can do anything he wants with the ball....if the teams focus the pick and roll...fine....but if there is no play Bayless is a dangerous player to play off of. If you give him an inch he will score on you.

It doesn't matter how much a PG scores. Magic and Isiah scored a ton of points. What's important is if they can run the offense. Marbs was a great passer who could get into the paint and make very good passes. He also became very disruptive to the offense at times. A PG's job is to get the best shot for his team. If you are as talented as Isiah/Magic/Nash a lot of times that best shot is yours. So you take it. Unfortunately many guys of the Nate/Marbs/Bayless ilk have a hard time learning when to get their shots and when to get one for their teammates. They instead rely on the one on one game to "get theirs" while dishing to others when that option is taken away. Nash KNOWS HOW TO RUN AN OFFENSE. No shame in being Nate or Bayless. These guys can help you win. But you have to understand their role. Maybe Bayless proves me wrong one day, but I just don't see him being a lead PG guiding someone's offense. I think you will need someone else that can do that for him.

Damn bip I forgot about TD . But for 90 days we all thought Walsh hit the jack pot with duhon, how quick that came crashing down. I doubt lee goes any where,his flaws are so obvious, but his dumb ass agent keeps thinking his numbers warrent 10 mill or 12 for the matter...lol..for a guy who hasn't shown he can play an ounce of respectable defense.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Rookie:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Ira:

I don't know what to think about Bayless. He's the guy I wanted the Knicks to draft, but he didn't have a very good rookie season. Part of that might have had to do with his minutes, but I still think he should have done better.

I don't blame Lee's agent for his delusion. The Knicks told him to see what offers he would get and he didn't get a single one. He has to be aware of this.

Also, Lee has to know that if he accepts the qo instead of an $8 million deal, he's going to get $5 million less this year plus run the risk of an injury that will prevent him from getting any deal.

Bayless is a victim of Nate McMillian's coaching style which makes absolutely no sense...Bayless had a few break out performances in short minutes yet went right back to the bench. I follow the kid and this guy would already be untouchable if he got drafted by a club that could play him right away.

if he becomes a knick...unless he kills a kitten or has killed kittens before...D'antoni will have no choice but to play this kid. His offense is awesome...his playmaking will come while he grows with this young group we have....

Sessions is the new dick ride pipe dream....but Bayless still is a huge basketball talent and definately worthy of a Knick uniform.

But is Bayless the guy you want to run your offense...or is he another undersized shooting guard?

He's a scoring guard that will get his assists...He has size and is strong. He's like Nate but the kid has better point guard instincts than Nate. Bayless would be more receptive to what D'antoni wants to do cuz he's a huge fan of Nash and what they did together in Pheonix. He said he followed closely as he played in Arizona.

Nash is a scorer as well. A big time scorer when he needs to be. Thing with D'antoni...he wants the ball in the point guards hands. Bayless is perfect cuz he can do anything he wants with the ball....if the teams focus the pick and roll...fine....but if there is no play Bayless is a dangerous player to play off of. If you give him an inch he will score on you.

It doesn't matter how much a PG scores. Magic and Isiah scored a ton of points. What's important is if they can run the offense. Marbs was a great passer who could get into the paint and make very good passes. He also became very disruptive to the offense at times. A PG's job is to get the best shot for his team. If you are as talented as Isiah/Magic/Nash a lot of times that best shot is yours. So you take it. Unfortunately many guys of the Nate/Marbs/Bayless ilk have a hard time learning when to get their shots and when to get one for their teammates. They instead rely on the one on one game to "get theirs" while dishing to others when that option is taken away. Nash KNOWS HOW TO RUN AN OFFENSE. No shame in being Nate or Bayless. These guys can help you win. But you have to understand their role. Maybe Bayless proves me wrong one day, but I just don't see him being a lead PG guiding someone's offense. I think you will need someone else that can do that for him.

Yeah you get what I mean as far as having that scorer at PG....but I think Bayless will be adequate. That's why I think of Kevin Johnson everytime I see Bayless. Kevin Johnson was Marbury before Marbs. Only thing is Kevin Johnson has a good head over his shoulders. KJ's body was unforgiving though.

So I'm hoping Bayless can do it. Hopefully he can do it in a Knick Uniform...that's if the Knicks can't get sessions or the portland deal really is outlaw and bayless.

hey, with a guy that young it's worth a shot. But it's probably the hardest thing to learn in basketball. Some are born with it. Some learn it by playing decades of basketball under great coaches. It's very rare for a guy to learn how to run an offense this late in life. I honestly can't think of one........Actually I take that back. Scottie Pippen learned. There are probably a few, but it's rare

[Edited by - bippity10 on 22-07-2009 3:49 PM]