Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by GKFv2:

What short-comings exactly? Trading Zach Randolph?

Surely you jest the Knicks are a losing team and might even be worse this season and after going through all the trouble of being one of the worst teams the Knicks don't even get a lotto pick. So maybe short-comings was a bad choice of words because this down right cruel.

The fact that they are losing team and will be is already understood. So how exactly does that fall on Walsh as you have already stated? One year is enough time to turn it around?

Posted by bitty41:

If your team is not making the playoffs, not finishing above around 500 is this now considered a success in the NBA?

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Maybe we should start signing our GMs and Coaches to 1/2 year deals. Thats all the time they really need.

Nope, too much time. Daily deals if you ask me. If you can't turn it around in a day, what are you doing?

daily contracts make a ton of sense considering that's about as much time our prospects are afforded to prove themselves in this league.

No, I was talking about the coach, GM and veterans. They get daily deals. The rookies deal lasts from the moment the commissioner calls their name until the moment the first boo is picked up on ESPN's microphone.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by GKFv2:

What short-comings exactly? Trading Zach Randolph?

Surely you jest the Knicks are a losing team and might even be worse this season and after going through all the trouble of being one of the worst teams the Knicks don't even get a lotto pick. So maybe short-comings was a bad choice of words because this down right cruel.

The fact that they are losing team and will be is already understood. So how exactly does that fall on Walsh as you have already stated? One year is enough time to turn it around?

Losing = failure. This isn't CYO basketball where your team is successful if everyone gets to play and gets ice cream at the end of the night. This is professional basketball so like these guys are getting paid to do things like hmmmm I don't know: win.

To not even make the playoffs in a horrible conference cannot be construed in any other way then failure

Look the NBA like anything else moves a break-neck pace so this idea that it's unfair for anyone to expect Walsh to put at least a playoff team on the floor is absolute horseshyt. The fact that Isiah Thomas was previous GM does not make the world stop it's called moving the hell on with your life. Because just like any other business you don't perform well you get raked over the coals or worse fired. So Walsh should not receive anymore special treatment then we've given to previous GMs. How many seasons did we have to go through before everything stopped being Scott Layden's fault under Isiah?

Geez blaming the previous GM that isn't one I've heard before.

If your team is not making the playoffs, not finishing above around 500 is this now considered a success in the NBA?

LOL. Honestly, are you serious? Were you in a coma during the Isiah Era? You really thought we would go from 23 wins to playoffs in one year, especially when we had started the season with nearly the same exact roster? Then we traded our garbage for expiring garbage and still managed to put up a decent fight. How exactly is that a failure to you? Because you wanted to make the playoffs? I don't understand your line of reasoning at all. I understand you were a big Zach fan but the dude is garbage and has been traded 3 times in years. He is a cancer and a black hole. No need for him here.

But seriously, Walsh receiving special treatment? IT'S ONE YEAR SINCE HE TOOK OVER FOR ARGUABLY ONE OF THE WORST RUNS IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. Capped out, terrible, low-value players with no young bright prospect or even a franchise player on the team. Absolutely nothing was on this roster besides role player like David Lee and Nate Robinson. Chandler had not done anything yet and still is just a prospect. I'm sorry but every GM needs time to do what they have to do. It's clear Walsh has a plan and is setting out to complete it. It became clear quite early on to me that Isiah never had a plan. But please don't tell me that once Isiah is fired that Walsh now takes all the blame for his mistakes. The 2010 pick belonging to Utah, the Eddy and Jeffries deals are his fault? I don't see it. No, blaming the previous GM in this situation makes sense when he is one of the worst GM's in sports history and the worst in franchise history and it has only been one year since his dismissal.

I never said I accept not making the playoffs or being .500 but it's called a transition period. GM's come in and build a team. The guys whose teams' won titles didn't start winning 50+ games a season right away. It took time to get there. Of course you wouldn't have allowed them to get there since you would have had them fired after one year. But that's already, it just speaks about the fact that you really can't rebuild in NY. Now I kinda see where Dolan was coming from a bit.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by GKFv2:

What short-comings exactly? Trading Zach Randolph?

Surely you jest the Knicks are a losing team and might even be worse this season and after going through all the trouble of being one of the worst teams the Knicks don't even get a lotto pick. So maybe short-comings was a bad choice of words because this down right cruel.

The fact that they are losing team and will be is already understood. So how exactly does that fall on Walsh as you have already stated? One year is enough time to turn it around?

Losing = failure. This isn't CYO basketball where your team is successful if everyone gets to play and gets ice cream at the end of the night. This is professional basketball so like these guys are getting paid to do things like hmmmm I don't know: win.

To not even make the playoffs in a horrible conference cannot be construed in any other way then failure

Look the NBA like anything else moves a break-neck pace so this idea that it's unfair for anyone to expect Walsh to put at least a playoff team on the floor is absolute horseshyt. The fact that Isiah Thomas was previous GM does not make the world stop it's called moving the hell on with your life. Because just like any other business you don't perform well you get raked over the coals or worse fired. So Walsh should not receive anymore special treatment then we've given to previous GMs. How many seasons did we have to go through before everything stopped being Scott Layden's fault under Isiah?

Geez blaming the previous GM that isn't one I've heard before.

If your team is not making the playoffs, not finishing above around 500 is this now considered a success in the NBA?

Will you consider a success making playoffs 25 times in a row and getting kicked in first round?
If this is what you want, Leyden was the best GM ever. Isiah was not even capable of this kind of "achievements".
Walsh want this team to be among the best in NBA and willing to sacrifice 2-3 years of sucking for this.
Are you?

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by djsunyc:

Hey DJ you adopted a baby!

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by McK1:

talk about recycled arguments.

there was a time where if you didn't like Isiah then you must've wanted Layden to stay

now its if you don't like what Walsh has done you must've wanted Isiah to stay...

it was a dumb, pathetic, baseless line of defense then and it still is now.

Baseless? Nah. It was just proven by one poster. It can be proven again if you go back and read old posts through the years. It's not that hard. I can start bumping up old threads but that wont help anyone or do anything for the forum.

What is baseless is most of your posts. You talk in the air, are presented with facts, backtrack and talk in hypotheticals and then start negatively lambasting Walsh and D'Antoni because they are not running the team the way you seem fit. As if it is that easy to turn around a franchise. I'd like to see your moves for the team. Please post every move you would have made from April 2008 to this summer. I am interested in hearing this.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by eViL:

the NBA isn't the NFL. i don't get people here who expected an immediate turnaround by Walsh. this league is not exactly the picture of parity. reviving a franchise can take a long time. chicago went in the tank before us and they are barely making noise now. atlanta was in the tank before us and they finally crawled out a few years ago. dallas was a terrible team for large portions of the 90's. they've had a pretty good record this decade. the anti-walsh sentiment here seems misplaced considering it takes so long to fix an NBA mess. it's not like teams are jumping up and down every season. the top of each conference has been pretty static for a long time now.

if d'antoni got them to overachieve to 33 wins last year, then no doubt an expiring deal philosophy by a competent gm could've had this team on it's way to 50 wins this season.