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djsunyc
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7/19/2009  2:07 PM
i agree with mck1. i think walsh is banking on the city of ny and d'antoni to lure a guy to ny. but personnel wise, he hasn't really put a squad of great young potential together and is about to lose lee + nate b/c of $$$'s - something other players and agents don't take lightly.

now i may stand alone but i felt once d'antoni was hired, knicks should've want after star players other teams were dumping for expirings b/c d'antoni can make a squad of scorers work (at least i think he can).
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7/19/2009  2:22 PM
McK1, it's 1 thing to question moves & be unsure of the direction of the team, everyone is entitled to an opinion or a preference, but it's another to be pronouncing a prospect a bust before he ever plays a single game of NBA basketball based on nothing but a few SL games as a sample... the same crap happened last year w/Gallo & it's beginning to happen again w/Hill.
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7/19/2009  2:40 PM
Posted by TMS:

McK1, it's 1 thing to question moves & be unsure of the direction of the team, everyone is entitled to an opinion or a preference, but it's another to be pronouncing a prospect a bust before he ever plays a single game of NBA basketball based on nothing but a few SL games as a sample... the same crap happened last year w/Gallo & it's beginning to happen again w/Hill.

well how should one talk about him if you thought he was a bust coming out and he has done nothing thus far to disprove that?

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 2:41 PM]
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Posted by McK1:
Posted by TMS:

McK1, it's 1 thing to question moves & be unsure of the direction of the team, everyone is entitled to an opinion or a preference, but it's another to be pronouncing a prospect a bust before he ever plays a single game of NBA basketball based on nothing but a few SL games as a sample... the same crap happened last year w/Gallo & it's beginning to happen again w/Hill.

well how should one talk about him if you thought he was a bust coming out and he has done nothing thus far to disprove that?

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 2:41 PM]

really? did you watch the last game? you didn’t find a single one of his 16 points to your liking? Nothing in his 50% field goals and 88% free throws? you didn’t like any of his 9 boards? nothing to like in his 2 blocks? didn’t care for his steal or assist? didn’t think he used his 9 fouls wisely

he’s done nothing thus far to disprove he’s a bust? maybe you've done nothing thus far to disprove that you have a biased closed mind toward him and aren't paying any attention to reality.
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7/19/2009  3:13 PM
here we go....

nope I didn't watch the last game.

Did you watch the first 3 games where he couldn't or wouldn't box out, looked totally lost defensively, tripped over his own feet when trying to make post moves, had jumpshots sound off like cannonballs when they hit the back of the rim or missed totally and clanked the backboard.

You kept asking how'd he look in the Kings game and heard crickets for a reason. 12 rebounds fell in his lap. Watch the tape and see the Kings playing volleyball on their glass while hill stood silently bye watching waiting praying one of those balls get tipped long. watch him on O show little strength to finish whatever he thought up in his mind was a good move. watch him build a castle and the surrounding moat on what was suppose to be his strength - face up shooting. 2 of his 3 field goals were dunks off pick n rolls and he traveled with noone around on one of them.

I read the game thread for the bulls game. he got a tip back for a dunk. what were his other 3 field goals?

hill has been garbage.

edit: this is all I'm going to say about Hill. I'm not going to hi-jack this thread. Its alot more to talk about in it than Hill. You or TMS could've joined the Kings thread if you wanted to discuss Hill.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 3:15 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 3:20 PM]
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Posted by McK1:

here we go....

nope I didn't watch the last game.

Did you watch the first 3 games where he couldn't or wouldn't box out, looked totally lost defensively, tripped over his own feet when trying to make post moves, had jumpshots sound off like cannonballs when they hit the back of the rim or missed totally and clanked the backboard.

You kept asking how'd he look in the Kings game and heard crickets for a reason. 12 rebounds fell in his lap. Watch the tape and see the Kings playing volleyball on their glass while hill stood silently bye watching waiting praying one of those balls get tipped long. watch him on O show little strength to finish whatever he thought up in his mind was a good move. watch him build a castle and the surrounding moat on what was suppose to be his strength - face up shooting. 2 of his 3 field goals were dunks off pick n rolls and he travewled with noone around on one of him.

I read the game thread. he got a tip back for a dunk. what were his other 3 field goals?

hill has been garbage.

edit: this is all I'm going to say about Hill. I'm not going to hi-jack this thread. Its alot more to talk about in it than Hill. You or TMS could've joined the Kings thread if you wanted to discuss Hill.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 3:15 PM]

what about this - you watch the bulls game and i'll watch the kings game. then we'll come back and try to have a more balanced discussion on both sides. you game?
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Posted by Marv:
Posted by McK1:

here we go....

nope I didn't watch the last game.

Did you watch the first 3 games where he couldn't or wouldn't box out, looked totally lost defensively, tripped over his own feet when trying to make post moves, had jumpshots sound off like cannonballs when they hit the back of the rim or missed totally and clanked the backboard.

You kept asking how'd he look in the Kings game and heard crickets for a reason. 12 rebounds fell in his lap. Watch the tape and see the Kings playing volleyball on their glass while hill stood silently bye watching waiting praying one of those balls get tipped long. watch him on O show little strength to finish whatever he thought up in his mind was a good move. watch him build a castle and the surrounding moat on what was suppose to be his strength - face up shooting. 2 of his 3 field goals were dunks off pick n rolls and he travewled with noone around on one of him.

I read the game thread. he got a tip back for a dunk. what were his other 3 field goals?

hill has been garbage.

edit: this is all I'm going to say about Hill. I'm not going to hi-jack this thread. Its alot more to talk about in it than Hill. You or TMS could've joined the Kings thread if you wanted to discuss Hill.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 3:15 PM]

what about this - you watch the bulls game and i'll watch the kings game. then we'll come back and try to have a more balanced discussion on both sides. you game?

nope. knicks have a 5th game to play I believe. Why don't we both just watch that and discuss it in the next game thread
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7/19/2009  3:26 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by McK1:

here we go....

nope I didn't watch the last game.

Did you watch the first 3 games where he couldn't or wouldn't box out, looked totally lost defensively, tripped over his own feet when trying to make post moves, had jumpshots sound off like cannonballs when they hit the back of the rim or missed totally and clanked the backboard.

You kept asking how'd he look in the Kings game and heard crickets for a reason. 12 rebounds fell in his lap. Watch the tape and see the Kings playing volleyball on their glass while hill stood silently bye watching waiting praying one of those balls get tipped long. watch him on O show little strength to finish whatever he thought up in his mind was a good move. watch him build a castle and the surrounding moat on what was suppose to be his strength - face up shooting. 2 of his 3 field goals were dunks off pick n rolls and he travewled with noone around on one of him.

I read the game thread. he got a tip back for a dunk. what were his other 3 field goals?

hill has been garbage.

edit: this is all I'm going to say about Hill. I'm not going to hi-jack this thread. Its alot more to talk about in it than Hill. You or TMS could've joined the Kings thread if you wanted to discuss Hill.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 3:15 PM]

what about this - you watch the bulls game and i'll watch the kings game. then we'll come back and try to have a more balanced discussion on both sides. you game?

nope. knicks have a 5th game to play I believe. Why don't we both just watch that and discuss it in the next game thread

ooh. a hardballer. i'm not going to be able to watch it but i'll catch it on cosmicvision and discuss it with you as soon as i do.
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7/19/2009  4:25 PM
Walsh is doing the right thing. With 2010 or 2011 there will be options. It's not all on 2010.
Being patient is the best course of action and will allow time to evaluate our picks and real needs.
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7/19/2009  7:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

just saw this:
If LeBron James ultimately decides to stay in Cleveland, the Knicks have a number of fallback options to target in the next few summers.

In 2011, guys like Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant are expected to hit the free agent market.

If Anthony and Durant don't move to New York, then Chris Paul and Deron Williams could become options in the summer of 2012.

lol @2011 and 2012...
I know you love to laugh at the Knicks but I see nothing wrong with that. Maybe we're not good enough to get the top tier FAs in 2010 and we simply two second tier FAs for above the MLE but below max contracts. That helps give us a good supporting cast to attract a top 2011 FA as a fall back option. I see nothing wrong with incrementally improving the team via free agency. It's not like we're talking about the year 2081. It's a 12 or maybe 24 month window.

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7/19/2009  7:50 PM
you can't rebuild in new york
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Posted by eViL:

you can't rebuild in new york
Profits and fan enthusiasm aren't gonna be any lower doing a legit rebuild than they were doing the re-tooling we've seen all decade.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by eViL:

you can't rebuild in new york
Profits and fan enthusiasm aren't gonna be any lower doing a legit rebuild than they were doing the re-tooling we've seen all decade.

i agree with you. i think the knicks fans are being tested here. are they really patient enough to handle rebuilding? seems like fans here crave moves more than they crave wins. walsh is taking naps to some. to me, he's being patient. the wrong move now can throw us into another 5 year holding pattern. i might be in the minority, but i rather no moves, than the wrong moves done just for the sake of making moves.
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7/19/2009  8:02 PM
the thing is that none of this matter until 2010. that's what the knicks are banking on. so knicks patience will only last till next july...and then walsh has to deliver.

as for rebuilding? last year's lotto pick basically missed the whole season. not necessarily something to get behind if you're a knicks fan. last knicks lotto pick worth anything was ewing.
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Posted by djsunyc:

the thing is that none of this matter until 2010. that's what the knicks are banking on. so knicks patience will only last till next july...and then walsh has to deliver.

as for rebuilding? last year's lotto pick basically missed the whole season. not necessarily something to get behind if you're a knicks fan. last knicks lotto pick worth anything was ewing.

can't control injuries. they happen. part of the game is luck. gallo's injury was bad luck.

whether we get the coveted FA's in 2010 or not, at least we have a chance. better than banking on some trade for a flawed star player with a big contract and two more terrible players with even worse contracts. franchise players are rarely available. in 2010, at least three of them will be up for grabs. not being in play for that FA market would be the stupidest situation a GM could put his team in.
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7/19/2009  8:17 PM
Posted by eViL:

you can't rebuild in new york

yes you can you just need a plan.

hahn who works for newsday who is owned by cablevision whom is owned by dolan who also owns the knicks is already running a damage control story for 2010...
Posted by eViL:


can't control injuries. they happen. part of the game is luck. gallo's injury was bad luck.

gallo's bad back was known about prior to drafting him

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 8:19 PM]
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7/19/2009  8:27 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by djsunyc:

the thing is that none of this matter until 2010. that's what the knicks are banking on. so knicks patience will only last till next july...and then walsh has to deliver.

as for rebuilding? last year's lotto pick basically missed the whole season. not necessarily something to get behind if you're a knicks fan. last knicks lotto pick worth anything was ewing.

can't control injuries. they happen. part of the game is luck. gallo's injury was bad luck.

whether we get the coveted FA's in 2010 or not, at least we have a chance. better than banking on some trade for a flawed star player with a big contract and two more terrible players with even worse contracts. franchise players are rarely available. in 2010, at least three of them will be up for grabs. not being in play for that FA market would be the stupidest situation a GM could put his team in.

i don't agree with that. the injury thing is why knicks fans can't get behind rebuilding...knicks draft picks have been bad for a long long long time.

secondly, outside of signing lebron, making prudent expiring year deals with d'antoni would have the knicks winning BIG. title? probably not, but only the lucky few get those. lebron hasn't yet and wade may not get another one either. but winning 50+ games and advancing in the playoffs? most certainly.

knicks fans are so fixated on that one franchise player in that it's totally altering their thinking and expectations on putting together a team that wins games. waiting for the savior, that's the plan. i think that's BS. i think you make moves to get the best players that fit together and go to war with that. dwight howard may never win a title. the list goes on and on and on.

as for rebuilding...i somewhat agree that you can't really rebuild in ny b/c there's no patience in ny. why? b/c the money being spent in this city won't allow it. you can't sit back, buy tickets at premium prices and ask fans to be patient. those that are willing to rebuild are non-season ticket holders. i surprise myself when i say this but isiah had the *right* idea...just very poor execution. he was in over his head. look at cuban...he's not waiting around, he's spending trying to win right now. that's what the knicks should be doing.

the question i pose is if the knicks don't get lebron or wade in 2010, was this plan worth it? some will say it is...but i strongly disagree with that. you can find comparable players to the other free agents in 2010 via the trade market.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-19-2009 8:33 PM]
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7/19/2009  8:50 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by eViL:

you can't rebuild in new york

yes you can you just need a plan.

hahn who works for newsday who is owned by cablevision whom is owned by dolan who also owns the knicks is already running a damage control story for 2010...
Posted by eViL:


can't control injuries. they happen. part of the game is luck. gallo's injury was bad luck.

gallo's bad back was known about prior to drafting him

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 8:19 PM]

btw i think that's total bull****. the ONLY person who ever uttered that was kiki that one time. i think he was talking out of his ass and then he stfu about it because he realized he didn't know wtf he was talking about.
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Posted by djsunyc:
the question i pose is if the knicks don't get lebron or wade in 2010, was this plan worth it? some will say it is...but i strongly disagree with that. you can find comparable players to the other free agents in 2010 via the trade market.

Yeah you can find guys now, but if you do then you lose out for SURE on Lebron, but if you wait, there will be those same lesser guys available. There always are deals to be made for lesser guys than the top franchise players.

I happen to think that despite the holding out for Lebron or Wade etc., that they are still trying to put a young core together that should be able to win games. I can almost guarantee that if healthy this team is gonna win more games this year and a lot of those close losses may turn around. I feel the team is stronger than last years version in terms of size inside.

Deals will still be available in 2010 if we get Lebron, Bosh or Wade, cuz some team will always be disappointed in how things are going and want to change. We'll have good assets to make deals with.
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7/19/2009  9:21 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by eViL:

you can't rebuild in new york

yes you can you just need a plan.

hahn who works for newsday who is owned by cablevision whom is owned by dolan who also owns the knicks is already running a damage control story for 2010...
Posted by eViL:


can't control injuries. they happen. part of the game is luck. gallo's injury was bad luck.

gallo's bad back was known about prior to drafting him

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 8:19 PM]

btw i think that's total bull****. the ONLY person who ever uttered that was kiki that one time. i think he was talking out of his ass and then he stfu about it because he realized he didn't know wtf he was talking about.

i'm sure it was a lucky guess.
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