I really don't get the logic behind the drafting that has taken place this under Walsh. We have glaring holes at a few positions power forward is not one of them. We needed at 1-2-3-5 and we take two fours in back to back drafts.

Anthony Randolph looks like a stud and an All-Star who can play defense, Gordon shoots the ball lights out and Lopez was awesome last year.

I'm listening to Donnie say there is a glarring hole at the two spot and Derozen was there for the taking and he looks very solid so far.

I'm not getting excited about what I have seen from hill he seems like a floater with a lot of energy, somewhat like a bigger version of balkman but a little more polished. I don't know how good the guy can be defensively, but just as average rotation guy is the feeling I am getting so far.

Douglas is passing well and looks like he could be a good bench guy, but we need to draft specimens or actual needs and stop duplicating, especially if you resign Lee there is no minutes for the guy, unless doing can move Harrington

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Posted by Knicksfan:

DJ, most agree that Hill was the BPA and the best PG prospects were already taken. Who was there? Holiday would be killed here for his SL showings and is as much of a project as Hill. Lawson? Maybe if we moved down but we didn't. I think we got the best prospect available and time will help him become a solid player.

imho, i don't think he's on the team in 3 years. knicks will be wheeling and dealing for vets after the summer of 2010.

What vets dj? The way I see it is that we're coming closer and closer to getting nobody in 2010, no matter how close to capspace we are. Everybody wants to win a championship, and if they see that we're a non playoff team (Yet again) with no lotto pick, they aren't going to think twice about using us to up their values and then signing with their old teams.

ANd for the record, maybe they aren't playing their best, but I can already tell that Jordan Hill is way better than Wilcox.

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Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Knicksfan:

DJ, most agree that Hill was the BPA and the best PG prospects were already taken. Who was there? Holiday would be killed here for his SL showings and is as much of a project as Hill. Lawson? Maybe if we moved down but we didn't. I think we got the best prospect available and time will help him become a solid player.

imho, i don't think he's on the team in 3 years. knicks will be wheeling and dealing for vets after the summer of 2010.

What vets dj? The way I see it is that we're coming closer and closer to getting nobody in 2010, no matter how close to capspace we are. Everybody wants to win a championship, and if they see that we're a non playoff team (Yet again) with no lotto pick, they aren't going to think twice about using us to up their values and then signing with their old teams.

ANd for the record, maybe they aren't playing their best, but I can already tell that Jordan Hill is way better than Wilcox.

keep the space as open as possible TWO fa's are going to be much more happy to arrive to play together than one.

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Posted by Marv:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Knicksfan:

DJ, most agree that Hill was the BPA and the best PG prospects were already taken. Who was there? Holiday would be killed here for his SL showings and is as much of a project as Hill. Lawson? Maybe if we moved down but we didn't. I think we got the best prospect available and time will help him become a solid player.

imho, i don't think he's on the team in 3 years. knicks will be wheeling and dealing for vets after the summer of 2010.

What vets dj? The way I see it is that we're coming closer and closer to getting nobody in 2010, no matter how close to capspace we are. Everybody wants to win a championship, and if they see that we're a non playoff team (Yet again) with no lotto pick, they aren't going to think twice about using us to up their values and then signing with their old teams.

ANd for the record, maybe they aren't playing their best, but I can already tell that Jordan Hill is way better than Wilcox.

keep the space as open as possible TWO fa's are going to be much more happy to arrive to play together than one.

Is that realistic? I don't really think so.

it is my good man. the key is to NOT add 2nd or 3rd tier players now. that can be done afterward. also,the handling of lee/nate/jj2/ecity will be key.

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Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Knicksfan:

DJ, most agree that Hill was the BPA and the best PG prospects were already taken. Who was there? Holiday would be killed here for his SL showings and is as much of a project as Hill. Lawson? Maybe if we moved down but we didn't. I think we got the best prospect available and time will help him become a solid player.

imho, i don't think he's on the team in 3 years. knicks will be wheeling and dealing for vets after the summer of 2010.

What vets dj? The way I see it is that we're coming closer and closer to getting nobody in 2010, no matter how close to capspace we are. Everybody wants to win a championship, and if they see that we're a non playoff team (Yet again) with no lotto pick, they aren't going to think twice about using us to up their values and then signing with their old teams.

ANd for the record, maybe they aren't playing their best, but I can already tell that Jordan Hill is way better than Wilcox.

keep the space as open as possible TWO fa's are going to be much more happy to arrive to play together than one.

Is that realistic? I don't really think so.

it is my good man. the key is to NOT add 2nd or 3rd tier players now. that can be done afterward. also,the handling of lee/nate/jj2/ecity will be key.

We have to keep one of Nate or Lee. If there's a team in need of a good role player that can help them compete, like Washington, maybe they'll take Ared. Curry is scaring me.

Posted by Marv:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Knicksfan:

DJ, most agree that Hill was the BPA and the best PG prospects were already taken. Who was there? Holiday would be killed here for his SL showings and is as much of a project as Hill. Lawson? Maybe if we moved down but we didn't. I think we got the best prospect available and time will help him become a solid player.

imho, i don't think he's on the team in 3 years. knicks will be wheeling and dealing for vets after the summer of 2010.

What vets dj? The way I see it is that we're coming closer and closer to getting nobody in 2010, no matter how close to capspace we are. Everybody wants to win a championship, and if they see that we're a non playoff team (Yet again) with no lotto pick, they aren't going to think twice about using us to up their values and then signing with their old teams.

ANd for the record, maybe they aren't playing their best, but I can already tell that Jordan Hill is way better than Wilcox.

keep the space as open as possible TWO fa's are going to be much more happy to arrive to play together than one.

Is that realistic? I don't really think so.

it is my good man. the key is to NOT add 2nd or 3rd tier players now. that can be done afterward. also,the handling of lee/nate/jj2/ecity will be key.

We have to keep one of Nate or Lee. If there's a team in need of a good role player that can help them compete, like Washington, maybe they'll take Ared. Curry is scaring me.

just don't feed him.

In all seriousness, think of this. That's literally what they did with him for his first week. They say he just ate fruit shakes or maybe not even his first week and took a colon cleansing diet. He lost 15 lbs from cleansing his colon. Not from burning fat. So only 15 of those lost 30 lbs is from fat burn. You guys are wondering why he still looks fat. You can look right at that.

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DJ, most agree that Hill was the BPA and the best PG prospects were already taken. Who was there? Holiday would be killed here for his SL showings and is as much of a project as Hill. Lawson? Maybe if we moved down but we didn't. I think we got the best prospect available and time will help him become a solid player.

Yup- I would not have been upset with Holiday, although I was not a Lawson fan, but Walsh had talked about his interest in Hill as a player before the draft, and you know we wanted a big man.

It always comes down to faith in the people you have running the team. Were the Knicks right in believing that Hill was a steal at 8- a guy they never though would drop? We did not see what they saw when he worked out for us. They obviously thought that he was worth the pick because they did not trade out of the 8th after Curry was taken. I even thought I heard that they had him rated higher than Thabeet on the Knicks SL broadcast (Did I hear correctly?).


Douglas may actually turn out to be the PG steal of this draft, but who knows. Which PGs have distributed the ball better and with more efficiency than he has? Curry has actually been a disappointment as a PG when I have watched him- he seems much more of a combo guard than Douglas at this point. Flynn has had great moments but also made a ton of mistakes for the best "pure" PG to come out of college. Evans is a stud on offense, but is more of a SG IMO.

This is the Toney Douglas DraftExpress report on PGs;

...was one of the most efficient players on our list, using over 20 possessions per game (20.7). His overall PPP of 1.04 was the second best of all players, while his PPP as a finisher of 1.22 was sixth best. As a jump shooter, he scored 1.41 PPP on unguarded catch and shoot attempts, and 1 PPP on pull ups. A gifted off the ball player who scores 1.23 PPP (5th) shooting off of screens and 1.14 PPP in spot up situations, Douglas is only an average shot creator (.85 Isolation PPP), but he doesn’t turn the ball over in the half court almost at all (9.7%, 2nd), has experience running the pick and roll (5.3 Pos/G, 2nd), is an excellent defender, and seems like an ideal complement to a taller ball-handling guard. His stock has risen in recent months, and will be interesting to how his limitations as a distributor (he ranks dead last in amongst all passing metrics amongst draft-eligible PGs) factor in to where he’s selected on draft day.

His shooting is going to come around based on their analysis of him, and their comment about his limitations as a distributor has possibly been put to rest at this point.

Douglas is supposedly a work ethic guy- Hill seems like a laid back fellow. Maybe a good combination if they develop a friendship and Douglas can push Hill.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-16-2009 1:05 PM]

Knicks have done a wonderful job showing Douglas can set guys up for long jumpshots. Now can they show why they bought the 29th pick for him.

I'm sorry I thought he was drafted to be the next Bobby Jackson, not the next Brevin Knight.

I wanna see him knock down 3-4 in a row from outside, beat some guys off the dribble and finish strong at the hole, get a rebound and show some speed with the ball in the open court.

Marbury being here has not erased the memory of the prolific East-West dribblers from my mind.