Posted by kam77:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Man, we're like that desperate, easy chick in the group that's every sleazy dude's fall back option.

Dude, You got her #?

Posted by Markji:

Posted by Cosmic:

Why would we want this guy back? He played well for us but Tim playing well doesn't get this team anywhere.

And with Chandler, Gallo, and Hill needing development I don't see how playing Tim Thomas ahead of them helps us.

We want him back if we make a trade and send 1 or 2 of our forwards - like Jeffries, Hill, Lee (S & T or may go to Europe), or anyone of the others. Tim T at or near the vet min for a year is well worth it. And it won't affect our cap for 2010. He hit 42% from the 3 for us and then 44% for Chicago after we traded him. Lifetime he is 37% from the 3 point. This is an absolutely key part of the MDA offense and we don't have anyone who is deadly from 3 point. Walsh has to start making some trades and having TT gives us depth.

Yet how are we viewing this? Is Tim Thomas the difference between missing or making the playoffs? Is Tim Thomas getting minutes more valuable to our future than Gallo/Chandler/Hill getting those minutes?

I do like Tim and I always felt he got a bum rap because he was grossly overhyped and never was anything near what he was hyped to be. So he constantly got this label that he was a bum, he didn't work hard, he could be so much better - when that was never true - he is what he is - a decent F in the NBA that occasionally puts up the big game. I found him dependable when you had realistic expectations of him.

I would welcome him back but at the cost of the development of Hill/Chandler/Gallo? Does Tim coming back make the difference between 34 wins and 42 wins and a playoff berth? I don't think so.

Timmy is a pretty good influence though just how Kidd and GHill would be to kids. Tim was caught on camera and mic quite often last season mentoring Chandler and Gallo and trying to help Nate and Lee along.

Tim's no cancer like some label him.

Yet, again, what value is there in him coming back other than being another body out there who would take minutes away from three young forwards we want to develop?

Posted by Markji:


I agree with what you wrote.
My point is - if we are going to make some trades - major moves - then Tim T for 1 yr to come off the bench is a good move - creates depth. Also, I think the team played better as a team when TT was here before trading him and others for Larry Hughes.

Sure, if we deport Jeffries to Antarctica and Harrington or Hughes are used in trades leaving us thin at SF/PF then you see if Tim is interested in a one year contract. I don't want to see us hit another rash of injuries or being left thin in a trade leaving us bare bones thus wearing out those who are playing --- which is what happened last year.

Yet if we do have Harrington/Jeffries/Hill/Gallo/Chandler/Lee/Wilcox - do we need Tim? Nah....he'll only take minutes from the kids.

Posted by EnySpree:

Tim Thomas humbled himself alot and proved he is a good pro/teamate the second go round. Donnie just wants proven vets around the team...get over the fact Tim Thomas should be better than he is. He's still a good player. He was doing a good job mentoring the guys off the bench. I'd love to have him coming off the bench helping with the verbal communication out there and getting in the ears of out up and coming players. Also don't underestimate what this guy can provide in practice for the team. Tim is a good defender and is the type of guy that if he gets the best of you defensively he will tell you what you did wrong. Thats a good teamate.

Posted by McK1:

donnie could bring back Shandon and people will convince themselves of why its a good move.

Tim has no place here. Those are Gallinari's minutes and shots he'd be taking.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by McK1:

donnie could bring back Shandon and people will convince themselves of why its a good move.

Tim has no place here. Those are Gallinari's minutes and shots he'd be taking.

Cut it out dude...why you gotta disrespect everyone by mentioning Shandon Anderson's name?

BTW, if Gallinari is so good then he will beat out a proven vet like Tim Thomas for minutes. Thats been the problem with the Knicks. Young guys don't have good players to learn from and get better. Tim Thomas isn't Grant Hill but at this stage of their careers he's pretty close.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by McK1:

donnie could bring back Shandon and people will convince themselves of why its a good move.

Tim has no place here. Those are Gallinari's minutes and shots he'd be taking.

Cut it out dude...why you gotta disrespect everyone by mentioning Shandon Anderson's name?

BTW, if Gallinari is so good then he will beat out a proven vet like Tim Thomas for minutes. Thats been the problem with the Knicks. Young guys don't have good players to learn from and get better. Tim Thomas isn't Grant Hill but at this stage of their careers he's pretty close.

Gallinari was the 6th pick. Why would a 50 loss team make their lotto selection compete with a Tim Thomas for minutes? Makes zero sense. Knicks won 32 games and will be lucky at this point to match that win total. STICK GALLINARI IN THE FIRE!