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martin
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7/12/2009  1:05 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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“Not pain-free completely


Well this is going to have to be a wait and see. I would think after several months of rest than surgery and an additional 3-4 months to rest since the surgery he would be pain free. To say there is still pain is at a minimum alarming. We can sugarcoat that but in reality that doesn't sound to swell.

According to his doctors, you are talking out your ass. This is exactly where he is supposed to be. This aint a sprained ankle we're talking about.

Until he has no pain--it's going top be alarming--there is no other way to put it. Anything else is a sugar coat. Doctors can say whatever they want--when there is no pain at all--then we can talk.

perhaps we should level-set our expectations. Normal recovery = alarming?

I'm with Briggs on this one - why is there still pain? If that is part of a normal recovery, then is pain always going to be present at some level?

Until Gallo puts up a full year, I think realistic Knick fans should assume Gallo is essentially a lost draft pick.

I'm not trying to be negative. But this is over a year since the supposed original injury, after 'minor' corrective surgery, after all this rest.

And he still has some pain?
I'm actually with Briggs too. Did the doctors say in April that they expected some pain even a few months later, or is this just a case of team doctors now trying to make it look like the surgery was fully successful--after all, it was their job to do a successful surgery.

LOL, let me re-phrase what you just said. Gallo's pain is alarming, but I have not idea if he is supposed to be pain-free at this point or not.
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7/12/2009  1:07 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

“Not pain-free completely


Well this is going to have to be a wait and see. I would think after several months of rest than surgery and an additional 3-4 months to rest since the surgery he would be pain free. To say there is still pain is at a minimum alarming. We can sugarcoat that but in reality that doesn't sound to swell.

According to his doctors, you are talking out your ass. This is exactly where he is supposed to be. This aint a sprained ankle we're talking about.

Until he has no pain--it's going top be alarming--there is no other way to put it. Anything else is a sugar coat. Doctors can say whatever they want--when there is no pain at all--then we can talk.

perhaps we should level-set our expectations. Normal recovery = alarming?

I'm with Briggs on this one - why is there still pain? If that is part of a normal recovery, then is pain always going to be present at some level?

Until Gallo puts up a full year, I think realistic Knick fans should assume Gallo is essentially a lost draft pick.

I'm not trying to be negative. But this is over a year since the supposed original injury, after 'minor' corrective surgery, after all this rest.

And he still has some pain?
I'm actually with Briggs too. Did the doctors say in April that they expected some pain even a few months later, or is this just a case of team doctors now trying to make it look like the surgery was fully successful--after all, it was their job to do a successful surgery.

LOL, let me re-phrase what you just said. Gallo's pain is alarming, but I have not idea if he is supposed to be pain-free at this point or not.
That's right; I aint no surgeon. That's why I asked the question I did. What's wrong with that?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-12-2009 1:10 PM]
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7/12/2009  1:07 PM
My concern is that they didn't address what was causing his disc issue to begin with. These guys are experts but it is like my doctor told me you relieve the pain but you cover up the illness. He started doing drills again and I am wondering if that is what is causing him the pain. Because early in the season they were talking about more serious surgery compared to what they described this past spring. Either way, if he isn't going to play in SL why is he doing drills in pain at all?
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7/12/2009  1:21 PM
I think we're all glad that Gallo is feeling better.

With that said, I can't blame BRIGGS for being a little alarmed that Gallo is still experiencing some pain. Whether its normal or not, I think we are all on edge and will be that way until Gallo is pain-free (which hopefully happens and happens soon).
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7/12/2009  1:26 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

My concern is that they didn't address what was causing his disc issue to begin with. These guys are experts but it is like my doctor told me you relieve the pain but you cover up the illness. He started doing drills again and I am wondering if that is what is causing him the pain. Because early in the season they were talking about more serious surgery compared to what they described this past spring. Either way, if he isn't going to play in SL why is he doing drills in pain at all?

with most any type of surgery, you have some pain during physical therapy and rehab. It's up to doctors, patient, etc to determine if that's normal stuff or not.

You don't see a difference between playing in SL and non-contact drills?
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7/12/2009  1:27 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I have one question about the surgery. Was the surgery to correct his disc or just relieve pain. I was under the impression back in March that it was only to relieve the pain and not correct the problem of why his disc was an issue. I guess I am asking will his disc continue to give him issue after playing like it did when it receded while he rested last year and began bulging a little once again when he started to play.

surgery was in early April. I think it had to do with a nerve, not disc.

bulging disk hurt cuz the disk bulges out pressing on nerves...I have that...but thankfully it went away...but my back still stiffens up...

Look at Q-rich....he had surgery and he was back to being productive again....I link Gallo is gonna be really good this coming season.
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7/12/2009  2:04 PM

The big issue would be if he still had pain shooting down his leg and leg weakness. Pain in the area of the surgery is normal. Pain down the leg is not. So if he's running again, i'd say that he's on track.

My guess is that he's never going to just be done with back issues, but they don't have to be career threatening. Just like so many guys have knee issues their entire career and keep playing. So long as it doesn't become debilitating it's just part of being a professional athlete. Very few are ever totally pain free.
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7/12/2009  2:31 PM
All you guys are going to be eating Crow Parmigiana this season.
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7/12/2009  2:39 PM
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I don't know what to think. The Knicks have a history of sugar coating these things - trying to make them sound better than they are. We'll see. I think he'll be better in the fall, but I'm wondering whether he'll be 100%.

this is my take right now.

hard to have a ton of optimism about gallinari at the moment.
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7/12/2009  2:54 PM
what is mike d smoking thinking gallo is going to lure star players here!?
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7/12/2009  3:11 PM
The kid had a back issue that was supposedly taken care of with some rather minor, but intricate, surgery, which took place 4 months ago. He seems to be doing fine at this point, and on target to start practicing at the Knicks' pre-season camp. Only thing to do is wait, watch, and hope.

Folks who didn't want him drafted are micro-analyzing every little piece of info to find things they can be negative about, but if you read the article this is the most important section for me:
The signs are good. Gallinari, who had minor back surgery in April, is running again and with minimal pain. He said he expected to be pain-free by training camp in October. He has a hop in his step, and his 3-point stroke is as fluid as ever. He even looks a little thicker in his shoulders and upper arms, a good sign for a growing young power forward. He turns 21 next month and is still filling out his 6-foot-10 frame.

-His back was beginning to affect his stroke at the end of last season- there seems to be no problem now.
-He seems to be a bit more light on his feet according to the writer (Hahn also thought he was looking OK, I think, but he seems to have a man-crush on the Rooster, so...), and maybe the Gallinari problem that has fascinated BBJones- Gallo's stiff legs, was cured with the surgery.
-If he is bigger in the shoulders and upper arms that means he is weight training again- an important sign that he is healing, since it means he has been doing upper body exercises/lifting. He has a long way to go before he can match up with A. Randolph, who is now 7'2" and 270 lbs., according to certain fans of the GS wonderboy, but maybe Gallo will catch up with him at some point.

Why not just sit back and see how Gallinari and all the younger Knicks progress during the year. In Gallo, Hill, Douglas, and Chandler, we have 4 young players to follow, and all of them seem to have some promise IMO. We even have a SL team with some intriguing players on it, and we should have a much more interesting team to watch and analyze than we had last year.

The usual haters and doubters will have all the time they want and need to criticize the Gallo pick if after 3 years, and with a healthy back, he is only a 10 PPG 3pt specialist who plays 20 MPG, but that time has not arrived yet, so why not just watch what the Italian can do and hope he can contribute to a winning team.
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7/12/2009  3:14 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

what is mike d smoking thinking gallo is going to lure star players here!?

Briggs devoted a thread to this on RealGM.

Why not read what MDA actually said before make this kind of comment on something that MDA did not say.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-12-2009 5:19 PM]
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7/12/2009  3:20 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:

My concern is that they didn't address what was causing his disc issue to begin with. These guys are experts but it is like my doctor told me you relieve the pain but you cover up the illness. He started doing drills again and I am wondering if that is what is causing him the pain. Because early in the season they were talking about more serious surgery compared to what they described this past spring. Either way, if he isn't going to play in SL why is he doing drills in pain at all?

with most any type of surgery, you have some pain during physical therapy and rehab. It's up to doctors, patient, etc to determine if that's normal stuff or not.

You don't see a difference between playing in SL and non-contact drills?
I am obviously a Gallinari supporter, but his comments about the back are legit IMO. Was the problem a one time injury, or is there some fundamental back issue that we are unaware of and only fixing temporarily with some surgical "duct tape."
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7/12/2009  3:33 PM
I'm with Martin on this one. His recovery is following the normal trajectory. He'll have issues his entire career but the severity won't be what it was. Now, I don't know why everyone is getting worked up about Gallo... who cares, no one is counting on him to turn the franchise around as a result of all this, so why get worked up over his back?

What I'm worked up over is this ****ty New York Knicks medical staff. The team plays in NYC and has the biggest bankroll in the league... is it too much to ask for a quality medical staff? Grant Hill said that the medical staff in Phoenix was a big deal to him because of his injury history... no one would EVER say that about the Knicks medical staff and maybe if the staff wasn't so ****ty Gallo wouldn't have been drafted to begin with
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7/12/2009  3:57 PM
Let me put it this way. Last season, Gallo said he was 60%. With the operation and rest/rehab what can we expect him to be? My guess is that he won't be 100% in November, but probably in the 70-90% range. If it's closer to 90%, the kid will help us. If it's closer to 70%, the doctors will have to try something else.
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7/12/2009  4:38 PM
I'm not sure who to believe - Dr. Martin, or Dr. Briggs.
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7/12/2009  5:32 PM
how about a different line of discussion?

How many people here play competitive team sports right now? And of those how many people have had surgery?

I will speak from my own exerience.

I played full contact football for 3 years and still play baseball (overhand BASEball, not to be confused with softball).

9 years ago I had my knee reconstructed. Torn ALC and MCL. Major stuff. I have NEVER played 100 pain free since. Whats important is its durable and I can perform well. I'm 36 years old. I can still play 4 games in 2 days in a tourney. Of those 36 innings usually pitch 15-16 or so and play CF the rest. I can still run with the kids in their 20s and have yet to lose my CF position despite young talent coming in each year.

Should I be alarmed there is still pain?

Should Gallo?

Guys read something, take one snippet and get so reactionary your like a bunch of women.

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You guys hear I think it makes you look FAT.

WTF????

If the guy had a desk job its a different story. He's a pro basketball player. He's lifting weights and running suicides. So his back that just got opened up has a little pain. Lets see him play.
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7/12/2009  5:46 PM
Posted by fishmike:

how about a different line of discussion?

How many people here play competitive team sports right now? And of those how many people have had surgery?

I will speak from my own exerience.

I played full contact football for 3 years and still play baseball (overhand BASEball, not to be confused with softball).

9 years ago I had my knee reconstructed. Torn ALC and MCL. Major stuff. I have NEVER played 100 pain free since. Whats important is its durable and I can perform well. I'm 36 years old. I can still play 4 games in 2 days in a tourney. Of those 36 innings usually pitch 15-16 or so and play CF the rest. I can still run with the kids in their 20s and have yet to lose my CF position despite young talent coming in each year.

Should I be alarmed there is still pain?

Should Gallo?

Guys read something, take one snippet and get so reactionary your like a bunch of women.

I say I like the other dress better honey
You guys hear I think it makes you look FAT.

WTF????

If the guy had a desk job its a different story. He's a pro basketball player. He's lifting weights and running suicides. So his back that just got opened up has a little pain. Lets see him play.

No Fish, we're just "lemmings" for wanting to see the kid play before we rip into him and his bad back
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7/12/2009  5:49 PM
"A lot depends on Gallo," D'Antoni said. "We got to have Gallo step up. We have to have Wilson step up. We got to have a good year. We have to show that Gallo is a budding star. Wilson is a budding star. Somebody's got to go, those two guys and us two. Yeah, we can do that."

anybody take what he said about gallo as an indication that he was walsh's pick and not necessarily his?
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"A lot depends on Gallo," D'Antoni said. "We got to have Gallo step up. We have to have Wilson step up. We got to have a good year. We have to show that Gallo is a budding star. Wilson is a budding star. Somebody's got to go, those two guys and us two. Yeah, we can do that."

anybody take what he said about gallo as an indication that he was walsh's pick and not necessarily his?
I thought that was already clear... I had always hear MDA wanted Bayless but Walsh was blown away by Gallo's workout and that was that.

MDA is right. We need the 6th pick in the draft to step up. We need Chandler who showed he's capable of big things last year to be consistant with that everynight. Multi skilled wing guys... those are MDA guys. They need to step up. If Chandler and Gallo can do good things this year we will see some major progress

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