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BasketballJones
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7/11/2009  11:35 PM
Knicks didn't sign Jack.
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7/11/2009  11:51 PM
Posted by McK1:

how can you talk about seeing the big picture then keep bringing up jarret jack's name.

its not about who it was its about what Colangelo is doing to Indy to get the guy he wants for nothing. With the economic state of most franchises and the 2010 summer looming, spending now can be a GM's asset. BC works for a team willing to spend now and has turned that into a weapon to make moves in the FA market he feels will better his ballclub/make Bosh wanna re-sign.

do I think Walsh should strategically deviate somewhat from max in 2010 and be proactive with Dolan's money? Yes i do. Right now its a buyers market and Dolan has the deepest pockets in the league.

You brought him up, not me... Come'on. And, as I said and you are showing here you disagree with Walsh's plan. Which is fine but I just disagree with that plan. So, yeah, you had an ulterior motive here.

Now, as I have said in other threads, if the 2010 plan is to bust, we have until Feb 2010 to understand this, as we do have ~50M in expirings to cash in, and some very good youth to also cash in.

So I don't really see the problem here. It's exactly what Walsh said he would do: CREATE FLEXIBILITY.

I think too many, like yourself, took his comments as "2010 LeBron or Bust" and that is simply NOT the reality of things.
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7/11/2009  11:51 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Knicks didn't sign Jack.

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7/11/2009  11:54 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

In this 'buyer's market' could you buy anything other than a commitment to mediocrity?

you care to define the commitment to mediocrity parameters?
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7/12/2009  12:07 AM
Why we talkin about Jarret Jack signing with the Raptors? Who cares?

Oh, I remember. This is one of those threads that is supposed to rile people up.
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7/12/2009  12:28 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I don't understand the Jack offer at all. Toronto has Calderon who is fantastic and is the reason Ford is no longer in Toronto. I wonder if this is an attempt to show Bosh that they will do whatever it takes to win and keep him in Toronto. I like the idea of picking up Felton but I think Walsh is going to wait and see who is desperate in August and then assess what the best move is. As far as a mob mentality on this forum I don't think it is present. I think there are polarizing topics where people will react based on their point of view. If you post something positive about Gallo I am going to react and post stats of almost every player in the first round taken after him. If you post something praising D'Antoni's coaching I am going to quote players talking about short practices, no coaching of defense, expecting players to be professionals and relying on a player to police his locker room. I think you hit on a topic that people feel strongly about and it is nothing more than that.

the offer is 4 years $20.

as for jack, raptors problems last year were due to jose's hamstring injury and lack of quality depth, especially at the pg and sg spots. delfino wasn't around and tj was traded. unlike 2 years ago when they won 47 games b/c of their depth - there was no drop off in production when they went to the bench. jack gives them quality depth at the 1 and minutes at the 2. this allows jose to play a few less minutes (around 30-35) and also allows him to concentrate more on defense. and unlike the tj/jose competition, jack can get minutes at the sg spot as well so you can play both together. and jack is fine with coming off the bench.



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7/12/2009  12:34 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

In this 'buyer's market' could you buy anything other than a commitment to mediocrity?

with d'antoni in tow, i think the knicks could've fielded a team that could've challenged using the "buyer's" mentality. and by challenge, i'm talking about 50 win and advancing in the playoffs. it's not always championship or bust...there's alot of success in between.
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7/12/2009  12:39 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why we talkin about Jarret Jack signing with the Raptors? Who cares?

Oh, I remember. This is one of those threads that is supposed to rile people up.

because the forum usually discusses all NBA news. you came up for air just to flame?
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7/12/2009  12:40 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why we talkin about Jarret Jack signing with the Raptors? Who cares?

Oh, I remember. This is one of those threads that is supposed to rile people up.

because the forum usually discusses all NBA news. you came up for air just to flame?

Dude, please. You got a shtick and you love to play to it and then take the innocent who-me bs.
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7/12/2009  12:50 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why we talkin about Jarret Jack signing with the Raptors? Who cares?

Oh, I remember. This is one of those threads that is supposed to rile people up.

because the forum usually discusses all NBA news. you came up for air just to flame?

Dude, please. You got a shtick and you love to play to it and then take the innocent who-me bs.

no, I have an opinion about what the Knicks should be doing that most disagree with which I don't let you mob of lemmings bitch and moan me out of unlike you when Hill didn't sign and all it took was one "no it doesn't mean this is not a free agent hotbed" from martin for you to do a complete turnaround on a stance you argued so vehemently the day before.

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7/12/2009  8:54 AM
I love Jarrett Jack, shame to see him go to the Raptors but at least he's got a contract now.
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7/12/2009  9:13 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by CrushAlot:

In this 'buyer's market' could you buy anything other than a commitment to mediocrity?

with d'antoni in tow, i think the knicks could've fielded a team that could've challenged using the "buyer's" mentality. and by challenge, i'm talking about 50 win and advancing in the playoffs. it's not always championship or bust...there's alot of success in between.

this is false. who could ny have gotten other than kidd to become a 50 win team this year?

Only a PG with Kidd type leadership and PG skills who makes players better would have made this team 50 wins.

Look, the truth with this team is not about talent. It's the same old crap. Lack of heard and desire. Ey Curry should run the eastern conference. Who can match up with him in the post? Why cant he "jump" for rebounds? They need to kungfu panda that bastard and make him think it's a big mac or something.

Harrington - tons of skill, just a selfish ball hogging @-$$

Duhon - played to skill

Nate - enough talk, more game (good heart and hustle though)

Avi Lee - no freaking defense. I dont know why everyone loves him other than he is white and grabs rebounds (which, I am not devaluing grabbing rebounds) - but seriously, dude is an embarrassment on D and not any sort of cornerstone for a winning team. should have traded him when the chance was there. $6 million is too much in my opinion.

Wilson - the guy has allstar talent, but too meek, no fire really, no leadership

Gallo - bad back, fiesty (i like), good shooting, but jury is still out

Hughes? - guy is a ball hogging rental

Jeffries? - he is like a 7th man on a good team. Nothing is wrong with him in a winning situation, he plays defense, but also plays way smaller than 6'11"

Wilcox - did D'antoni just not feature this guy? I can not believe he didnt EAT Lee alive in practice.

The problem with the knicks is they are just Fugazy.
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7/12/2009  10:07 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by CrushAlot:

In this 'buyer's market' could you buy anything other than a commitment to mediocrity?

with d'antoni in tow, i think the knicks could've fielded a team that could've challenged using the "buyer's" mentality. and by challenge, i'm talking about 50 win and advancing in the playoffs. it's not always championship or bust...there's alot of success in between.

this is false. who could ny have gotten other than kidd to become a 50 win team this year?

Only a PG with Kidd type leadership and PG skills who makes players better would have made this team 50 wins.

dj is talking about last year. Baron Davis was available and wanted to come here. Knicks would've been a much better team with Davis.
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7/12/2009  10:07 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why we talkin about Jarret Jack signing with the Raptors? Who cares?

Oh, I remember. This is one of those threads that is supposed to rile people up.

because the forum usually discusses all NBA news. you came up for air just to flame?

Dude, please. You got a shtick and you love to play to it and then take the innocent who-me bs.

no, I have an opinion about what the Knicks should be doing that most disagree with which I don't let you mob of lemmings bitch and moan me out of unlike you when Hill didn't sign and all it took was one "no it doesn't mean this is not a free agent hotbed" from martin for you to do a complete turnaround on a stance you argued so vehemently the day before.

LOL thats hilarious dude.

Do you know what vehement means? If so, I don't think you'd use that word.
vehement - fierce: marked by extreme intensity of emotions or convictions; inclined to react violently; fervid; "fierce loyalty"; "in a tearing rage ...

There isn't one person on this site that argued the Hill signing in that manner. All I did was simply ask the question, would Hill's signing make this a free-agent hotbed. I never once said I thought it would be, I just wondered if a vet like Hill signing here would mean more was coming. Keep graspin at straws and thinkin you're just SOOOOOOOO different.
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7/12/2009  10:25 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by CrushAlot:

In this 'buyer's market' could you buy anything other than a commitment to mediocrity?

with d'antoni in tow, i think the knicks could've fielded a team that could've challenged using the "buyer's" mentality. and by challenge, i'm talking about 50 win and advancing in the playoffs. it's not always championship or bust...there's alot of success in between.

this is false. who could ny have gotten other than kidd to become a 50 win team this year?

Only a PG with Kidd type leadership and PG skills who makes players better would have made this team 50 wins.

dj is talking about last year. Baron Davis was available and wanted to come here. Knicks would've been a much better team with Davis.

basically. when you see guys like vince + baron + shaq + rj + marion + etc. all moved for nothing but expirings, the knicks could've easily fielded a team of at least 2 all stars. and in the east, with d'antoni, that wins big and advances.
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7/12/2009  10:45 AM


There isn't one person on this site that argued the Hill signing in that manner. All I did was simply ask the question, would Hill's signing make this a free-agent hotbed. I never once said I thought it would be, I just wondered if a vet like Hill signing here would mean more was coming. Keep graspin at straws and thinkin you're just SOOOOOOOO different.

you should've held fast. It seems MDA agrees with you:
There was a definite pall over the practices today in the wake of getting spurned by Grant Hill. D'Antoni even admitted that 2010 might be a struggle in recruiting star players if the team doesn't significantly improve...

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2009/07/summer_league_t.html

I don't come here to be different. I come here to discuss basketball. Obviously you come here for the circle jerk.

I could see if I was on the board everyday trying to explain why we should trade Gallo Chandler and expirings for TMac and give him a 6 yr max extension.

I like most our youth and want to see NY acquire more youth.

If they do sign vets I don't agree with giving one over 36 MLE money. I believe there are better
uses in free agency for the mid exception.

I don't believe spending strategically prior to next summer is a bad thing mainly because I don't believe anyone worth the max will leave millions on the table to come here to play with what will be left of the roster. I want nothing more than for Walsh to keep all avenues to improving the team open.

I think MDA needs to adjust his philosophy to accomodate the personnel more.
-I don't see why Wilson Chandler shooting long jumpers vs catching the ball going towards the rim is considered an effective srategy - and now there is talk of moving him to the 2.

-I don't understand why Nate never got a shot at lead guard when Duhon was breaking down and any chance at the 8 seed was slipping fast.

-Why is a Duhon-David Lee screen and roll the only go to play?

-Personally, I think he is another egomaniac coach and is highly overrated. And that is an opinion I'm entitled too.

I think Walsh is great with contracts and the cap in general. I think the game may have passed him by personnel wise. And that is another opinion I am entitled too.


Now if my opinion on things bothers you to the point you feel the need to mock me with queer one liners then just IGNORE ME.
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7/12/2009  11:26 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by CrushAlot:

In this 'buyer's market' could you buy anything other than a commitment to mediocrity?

with d'antoni in tow, i think the knicks could've fielded a team that could've challenged using the "buyer's" mentality. and by challenge, i'm talking about 50 win and advancing in the playoffs. it's not always championship or bust...there's alot of success in between.

Agreed! I think it also shows teams that your organization is serious about winning. Putting a team together of unproven rookie and mid level players doesn't exactly send the message that "we're laying the ground work for a Championship team".
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7/12/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by CrushAlot:

In this 'buyer's market' could you buy anything other than a commitment to mediocrity?

with d'antoni in tow, i think the knicks could've fielded a team that could've challenged using the "buyer's" mentality. and by challenge, i'm talking about 50 win and advancing in the playoffs. it's not always championship or bust...there's alot of success in between.

this is false. who could ny have gotten other than kidd to become a 50 win team this year?

Only a PG with Kidd type leadership and PG skills who makes players better would have made this team 50 wins.

dj is talking about last year. Baron Davis was available and wanted to come here. Knicks would've been a much better team with Davis.

b diddy would have been good, but who would he have had to run with? he would have gotten frustrustrated and reverted to b pitty
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7/12/2009  12:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by CrushAlot:

In this 'buyer's market' could you buy anything other than a commitment to mediocrity?

with d'antoni in tow, i think the knicks could've fielded a team that could've challenged using the "buyer's" mentality. and by challenge, i'm talking about 50 win and advancing in the playoffs. it's not always championship or bust...there's alot of success in between.

this is false. who could ny have gotten other than kidd to become a 50 win team this year?

Only a PG with Kidd type leadership and PG skills who makes players better would have made this team 50 wins.

dj is talking about last year. Baron Davis was available and wanted to come here. Knicks would've been a much better team with Davis.

basically. when you see guys like vince + baron + shaq + rj + marion + etc. all moved for nothing but expirings, the knicks could've easily fielded a team of at least 2 all stars. and in the east, with d'antoni, that wins big and advances.

one thing is that all the teams hate ny and do not want to trade a has been star here and see him go off like a canon and then look stupid for having that person revitalized in nyc. thorn was not trading RJ or Vince here. Baron, see above, shaq is done with and marion is junk (4th stringer now).
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7/12/2009  12:37 PM
look, unless we get kobe or lebarons ;-) the knicks are not winning the championship
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