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djsunyc
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7/10/2009  7:10 PM
final judgment will be 1 year from now...

but how they handled steph + not giving nate + lee extensions right so far probably have other players/agents taking notice.

as far as recruiting, lebron couldn't get artest or ariza to cleveland. that's a team challenging for the finals and just got shaq so maybe alot of players aren't that big a fan of lebron? who knows...

there were other routes to go but walsh chose 2010. now sit back and see what happens then. but the player acquisitions in the interim haven't really shown anything positive in the tangible sense.
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7/10/2009  7:17 PM
i give Donnie an INC at this moment... we don't yet know what he's got up his sleeve for this offseason & what moves are coming in 2010 either... until we see how things pan out i don't think u can really give him an A+ or an F for that matter... i do think JW brings up some fair points tho, Donnie seems to have missed the boat on cashing in full value on some of his biggest trade assets, namely Lee & Nate... but he's still got time to get something done on the trade front & he's got some nice assets with which to do it... i don't wanna hear any excuses for Donnie next year if nothing happens & we end up w/no bigname FA's & have to deal w/the same core of players we have right now until 2011, & i'm a big proponent of the 2010 plan saying this too... if his sole goal was to gain cap flexibility for 2010 to sign some bignames & is willing to bide his time for 2 years in order to do it, then he better make sure that happens... even if we don't get Lebron or Wade, he absolutely cannot wait out 2010 w/o bringing in a legitimate superstar player to build around IMO.
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7/10/2009  7:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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7/10/2009  7:21 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I'll give Donnie a D-, not an F because he brought in a credible coach.

He didn't take a shot at trading up for Mayor or Westbrook.

He put us on a one way train to 2010, and now it looks like that plan is shot.

He also ***** footed around the 2010 issue when he let the 2009 trade deadline pass without packaging Nate or Lee to get rid of Jeffries or Curry or to bring long term talent back.

This offseason you see Portland, Dallas, Phoenix, Toronto, Orlando all out maneuvering the Knicks.

Now the best we're possibly going to be left with is to have Lee and Nate sign their qualifying offers. That would be a serious lucky break for Walsh because he might get a do-over on the Lee and Nate trades.

Its sad watching Jason Kidd and Grant Hill use Walsh to get bigger deals for themselves.
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7/10/2009  7:26 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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7/10/2009  7:31 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I'll give Donnie a D-, not an F because he brought in a credible coach.

He didn't take a shot at trading up for Mayor or Westbrook.

He put us on a one way train to 2010, and now it looks like that plan is shot.

He also ***** footed around the 2010 issue when he let the 2009 trade deadline pass without packaging Nate or Lee to get rid of Jeffries or Curry or to bring long term talent back.

This offseason you see Portland, Dallas, Phoenix, Toronto, Orlando all out maneuvering the Knicks.

Now the best we're possibly going to be left with is to have Lee and Nate sign their qualifying offers. That would be a serious lucky break for Walsh because he might get a do-over on the Lee and Nate trades.

Its sad watching Jason Kidd and Grant Hill use Walsh to get bigger deals for themselves.

I will wait until the end of next offseason to draw my opinion of Walsh. At this point it is too early to blast him. However, I know I would have had made different draft selections and worked on building a backcourt through the draft. The Knicks could have had a point guard and a shooting guard through the draft. Walsh has time to improve the team so right now it is unfair to go off on him after one year.

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7/10/2009  7:49 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I'll give Donnie a D-, not an F because he brought in a credible coach.

He didn't take a shot at trading up for Mayor or Westbrook.

He put us on a one way train to 2010, and now it looks like that plan is shot.

He also ***** footed around the 2010 issue when he let the 2009 trade deadline pass without packaging Nate or Lee to get rid of Jeffries or Curry or to bring long term talent back.

This offseason you see Portland, Dallas, Phoenix, Toronto, Orlando all out maneuvering the Knicks.

Now the best we're possibly going to be left with is to have Lee and Nate sign their qualifying offers. That would be a serious lucky break for Walsh because he might get a do-over on the Lee and Nate trades.

Its sad watching Jason Kidd and Grant Hill use Walsh to get bigger deals for themselves.
he also failed to trade for Lebron, Kobe or Wade. He didnt draft Blake Griffin or Derrick Rose, didnt get Eddie to show up in shape, and he got Gallinari hurt. I saw FFF minus

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7/10/2009  8:02 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

but how they handled steph + not giving nate + lee extensions right so far probably have other players/agents taking notice.
How exactly do you know this? And what exactly is it that they're noticing? That Donnie is a patient GM who will re-sign players only at reasonable prices?

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7/10/2009  8:05 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

That Donnie is a patient GM who will re-sign players only at reasonable prices?

is that supposed to be a good thing for agents and players? lol...
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7/10/2009  8:11 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by McK1:
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I give this post an "A"

same

ditto

I give your reply an F!

I do not give an F about this...

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7/10/2009  8:14 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:

That Donnie is a patient GM who will re-sign players only at reasonable prices?

is that supposed to be a good thing for agents and players? lol...
Yes, patience and wise-spending are a good thing. Lebron knows he'll get the max. He should only want to come to an organization that spends wisely. Can you please answer my question about how you know (or why you think) the 2010 stud FAs are really taking notice of how we're handling the players you mentioned? I think it's quite the opposite. These players know what's going on with the salary cap--they know that the circumstances under which Donnie is operating will be quite different in 12 months than now and that Donnie will be able to retain players he cannot afford to right now. If not, it's something he can easily explain to the players and their agents. What exactly is the lesson you think Lebron (or Wade or Bosh, etc.) is drawing from the Nate or Lee situation? Is Lebron saying to himself something like,

"if they won't give Nate Robinson an extension, THEN...??????"

I'm having trouble understanding what you think follows the "then" part. Is it that Lebron is worried he'll have trouble getting an extension and he's worried he'll go broke because Nate Robinson didn't get one?
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7/10/2009  8:15 PM
Donnie has done well with the cap space situation, but he hasn't done shyt to get a player he wants. Show me that you can get the player you want on the roster and I will give props. I don't mean getting Douglass either. So far the Knicks are panning out to be a team of consolation players. Basically players that are a compromise to what they really and truly want, rather than what they want. Donnie needs to stop pissing around and make the move he needs to make get your targeted draft pick (Rubio). Give T-Wolves a very good deal and get what you want. Right now I have no confidence that the old man can get the Knicks what they need. So far asides from the cap space he has failed miserably. Its never plan A with the Knicks always plan b, c, d , e , f and so on.
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7/10/2009  8:20 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Donnie has done well with the cap space situation, but he hasn't done shyt to get a player he wants. Show me that you can get the player you want on the roster and I will give props. I don't mean getting Douglass either. So far the Knicks are panning out to be a team of consolation players. Basically players that are a compromise to what they really and truly want, rather than what they want. Donnie needs to stop pissing around and make the move he needs to make get your targeted draft pick (Rubio). Give T-Wolves a very good deal and get what you want. Right now I have no confidence that the old man can get the Knicks what they need. So far asides from the cap space he has failed miserably. Its never plan A with the Knicks always plan b, c, d , e , f and so on.

If you don't mean Douglass then what do you mean? Donnie wanted Douglass, went out bought a pick and got the guy he wanted. Why doesn't that count?

How do you know Rubio was the targeted pick?
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7/10/2009  8:24 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Vmart:

Donnie has done well with the cap space situation, but he hasn't done shyt to get a player he wants. Show me that you can get the player you want on the roster and I will give props. I don't mean getting Douglass either. So far the Knicks are panning out to be a team of consolation players. Basically players that are a compromise to what they really and truly want, rather than what they want. Donnie needs to stop pissing around and make the move he needs to make get your targeted draft pick (Rubio). Give T-Wolves a very good deal and get what you want. Right now I have no confidence that the old man can get the Knicks what they need. So far asides from the cap space he has failed miserably. Its never plan A with the Knicks always plan b, c, d , e , f and so on.

If you don't mean Douglass then what do you mean? Donnie wanted Douglass, went out bought a pick and got the guy he wanted. Why doesn't that count?

How do you know Rubio was the targeted pick?

Ok fine Douglass was the consolation prize after he could get rubio or curry. So in reality he made a deal with the Lakers to get a compromise.
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7/10/2009  8:26 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Vmart:

Donnie has done well with the cap space situation, but he hasn't done shyt to get a player he wants. Show me that you can get the player you want on the roster and I will give props. I don't mean getting Douglass either. So far the Knicks are panning out to be a team of consolation players. Basically players that are a compromise to what they really and truly want, rather than what they want. Donnie needs to stop pissing around and make the move he needs to make get your targeted draft pick (Rubio). Give T-Wolves a very good deal and get what you want. Right now I have no confidence that the old man can get the Knicks what they need. So far asides from the cap space he has failed miserably. Its never plan A with the Knicks always plan b, c, d , e , f and so on.

If you don't mean Douglass then what do you mean? Donnie wanted Douglass, went out bought a pick and got the guy he wanted. Why doesn't that count?

How do you know Rubio was the targeted pick?

Ok fine Douglass was the consolation prize after he could get rubio or curry. So in reality he made a deal with the Lakers to get a compromise.

Well he did buy the pick before the draft knowing Douglass wasn't going to go earlier than the Lakers slot.
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7/10/2009  9:01 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:

That Donnie is a patient GM who will re-sign players only at reasonable prices?

is that supposed to be a good thing for agents and players? lol...

The Knicks offered Hill close to everything they could. They offered Kidd everything they could. They started off at a fair deal with Hill, which is negotiating 101. You're supposed to do that and guess what. Lee isn't getting any other offers better than that.

You don't play yourself. As for Robinson, I guess none of us know yet. I'm leaning towards keeping him though.
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7/10/2009  9:45 PM
Donniw has done an excellent job of playing things safe, staying within reasonable constraints, not negotiating against himself by offering Lee 9 Mil per year and generally not f***ing things up. Just for that I give him an A
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7/10/2009  10:35 PM
BOY, I guess it's been so long since we've seen smart, responsible and calculated management, that we can't appreciate it anymore! Walsh is doing exactly what he should do. He's not taking wild swings only to miss badly, when we just need a bloop hit to right field. He's basically taking what the league is giving him and making the most of it. He got GREAT value in the draft IMO. Hill is almost exactly the same physically as Amare was when he came in and he's got good upside, since he's relatively new to BB. He should eventually help us as the uptempo big we need. Then you look at a guy like Douglas who really is a guard that should do well at the next level, due to his physical nature and all around offensive game. The idea that Walsh usually gets solid 2 way players was evident again with these 2 selections. That has to be a positive for this team.

2010 is the bumper crop of FA's and that means it makes COMPLETE sense to plan to be a player in that market. IT's not the only thing he's resting his plan on, it's the most important FA market I can ever remember. We have to do everything we can to clear cap space so we can lure a FA stud. I'm pulling for Wade myself. I think he's a much more likely target.
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7/10/2009  10:55 PM
I think Walsh has really done a very good job. He has a plan and he has stuck with it. He has cleared cap while acquiring players who have fit in with D's system. My only complaints are hiring D' as coach and drafting Gallo in the 08 draft when there was so much talent available that was not a stretch, reach or nearly as much of a risk. Walsh has really supported D' and his system since hiring him so I think that D' and the Knicks will have success but I don't see D' ever winning a championship with his coaching style. I also think there was no reason for Hill or Kidd to come to NY in the twilight of their careers. The Knicks are rebuilding and by the time the team is competing in the playoffs past the first round both of those guys maybe retired. Walsh has no money to work with and it is only his professionalism and D'Antoni that brought about any interest from both Hill and Kidd.
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7/10/2009  10:57 PM
Incomplete. Gotta see what happens.

If I had to project a grade based on midterm progress....

C+
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