The other wrinkle of Orlando/Toronto sign and trading for Hedo - Toronto keeps their MLE. Toronto could chase Bass. Maybe even Toronto chases Nate? They need guards, but he's not really a fit for them otherwise.

Posted by McK1:

why would Orlando take back Jeffries? the lux tax implications may cause them to balk on a deal. In reality, if they sign and trade for lee they are already bailing Walsh out of a situation where he could lose Lee for nothing

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-09-2009 10:04 AM]

Personally I think they are in acquisition mode. The team was very, very close to an NBA championship.

That said, okay, we'll send them only Lee and take back a couple assets on rookie contracts and picks and jump start the rebuild... especially now that the salary cap news is dire

Posted by McK1:

why would Orlando take back Jeffries? the lux tax implications may cause them to balk on a deal. In reality, if they sign and trade for lee they are already bailing Walsh out of a situation where he could lose Lee for nothing

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-09-2009 10:04 AM]

and you know... walsh may do the DLee trade just to get that $10M exception for next summer. that's a pretty huge chip.

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by kam77:

Yes we can include Jeffries for the exception.

Lets say Knicks and ORL were to make this deal here is how it would work:

DLee is signed to a 10mil offer sheet.
Since its the first year of the deal, LEE is a BYC player.
BYC reduces tradeable salary by 50% so David's trade value will be 5mil.
Add in Jeffries and even with his trade kicker, the Knicks would be sending about $12.5 mil to ORL.

12.5 mil is within 125% of 10mil.

Trade approved.

This isn't right.

Because NYC is over the cap, Lee would be a BYC player. That means for NY's purposes only, his $10M contract will be deemed to be $5M. Orlando, however, will be charged in the trade with receiving a $10M player.

Here, as you said, NY would be giving up $5M in Lee and $6.5M in Jeffries and the trade kicker-- assume that we are charged with sending $12.5M as you said.

Orlando, however, for the purposes of the trade rules would be charged with incoming salaries of $10M and $7.5M = $17.5M. That is pretty hard to overcome.

yeah, i think you're right.

but the trade exception alone has a ton of value to the knicks with the new cap outlook.

and if they get either fran vasquez rights or a first round pick in 2010 it's still an appealing trade you'd think.

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by kam77:

Yes we can include Jeffries for the exception.

Lets say Knicks and ORL were to make this deal here is how it would work:

DLee is signed to a 10mil offer sheet.
Since its the first year of the deal, LEE is a BYC player.
BYC reduces tradeable salary by 50% so David's trade value will be 5mil.
Add in Jeffries and even with his trade kicker, the Knicks would be sending about $12.5 mil to ORL.

12.5 mil is within 125% of 10mil.

Trade approved.

This isn't right.

Because NYC is over the cap, Lee would be a BYC player. That means for NY's purposes only, his $10M contract will be deemed to be $5M. Orlando, however, will be charged in the trade with receiving a $10M player.

Here, as you said, NY would be giving up $5M in Lee and $6.5M in Jeffries and the trade kicker-- assume that we are charged with sending $12.5M as you said.

Orlando, however, for the purposes of the trade rules would be charged with incoming salaries of $10M and $7.5M = $17.5M. That is pretty hard to overcome.

Thanks for clearing that up because I really have no idea how BYC works and that seems right

Posted by crzymdups:

The other wrinkle of Orlando/Toronto sign and trading for Hedo - Toronto keeps their MLE. Toronto could chase Bass. Maybe even Toronto chases Nate? They need guards, but he's not really a fit for them otherwise.

retaining the MLE and LLE was a stroke of brilliance by colangelo. i'm not sure where he's going to spend it tho. he may wait for some bargain basement value. i think he's gonna purse rasho for the LLE to fill humphries role. he can re-sign deltron w/o using MLE money. i would like nate, that would be cool, but i don't think they're thinking that way right now. there's also talks of kleiza or multiple players to give depth. they are looking for a backup pg tho.

cap and luxury come down next year, so if raps give bosh the max, they can't just throw out full MLE deals.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-09-2009 10:17 AM]

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by crzymdups:

The other wrinkle of Orlando/Toronto sign and trading for Hedo - Toronto keeps their MLE. Toronto could chase Bass. Maybe even Toronto chases Nate? They need guards, but he's not really a fit for them otherwise.

retaining the MLE and LLE was a stroke of brilliance by colangelo. i'm not sure where he's going to spend it tho. he may wait for some bargain basement value. i think he's gonna purse rasho for the LLE to fill humphries role. he can re-sign deltron w/o using MLE money. i would like nate, that would be cool, but i don't think they're thinking that way right now. there's also talks of kleiza or multiple players to give depth.

cap and luxury come down next year, so if raps give bosh the max, they can't just throw out full MLE deals.

but they have a gaping hole at SG don't they?

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by kam77:

Yes we can include Jeffries for the exception.

Lets say Knicks and ORL were to make this deal here is how it would work:

DLee is signed to a 10mil offer sheet.
Since its the first year of the deal, LEE is a BYC player.
BYC reduces tradeable salary by 50% so David's trade value will be 5mil.
Add in Jeffries and even with his trade kicker, the Knicks would be sending about $12.5 mil to ORL.

12.5 mil is within 125% of 10mil.

Trade approved.

Good thought. David Lee+Jefferies for the trade exception, Orlando's first rounder and the rights to Fran Vazquez.

That sounds like a hell of a deal Des.. I'm all for it.

Posted by crzymdups:

derozan could really shine with hedo and calderon making things easy for him and bosh.

i still don't get why they'd sign bargnani though - he never seems like he makes sense with the rest of that roster. it'd make more sense if they had a tyson chandler type at center. shoot, even dlee would make more sense than bargs to me. but toronto has done well - made a decent case to keep bosh in town.

also, dj why didn't toronto keep anthony parker? he seemed a good fit for them.

edit: compare what toronto has done to keep bosh with what cleveland or miami has done... bad jobs by those teams.

ap got old quick last season. they wanted to bring him back on the real cheap but he got a better offer from cleveland. he'll probably return to the organization after he retires as a front office guy.

colangelo's thinking is bargs + bosh are two unguardable big men. and imho, bargs is more versatile and might end up being a better offensive player than bosh. he really broke out last year. and don't forget, they traded for reggie evans to give you the defensive bruiser that will clean up the glass.

i'm thinking they will pick and roll you to death with jose/hedo + bargs/bosh. they are a very tough cover right now. all of them shoot really well from the outside. hedo + bosh + bargs can go inside or out and hedo finally gives them a guy that can create. derozan can start off filling the courtney lee role and can develop on his own time.

contenders? no. elite team? no. but on paper, they look like a cohesive unit that could be very fun to watch. chances of re-signing bosh have gone up tremendously.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-09-2009 10:29 AM]

not for nothing, but if the knicks were not in total dump mode and fixated on 2010, hedo was another player they could've snatched up.

Why did the Magic get a trade exception??? I thought they wanted nothing to do with a sign and trade with Hedo going to the Raptors.