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SupremeCommander
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7/8/2009  11:54 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:
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This is right around the time Scott Layden would offer him $100 million.

The sad part is you're right and not joking at all.

Yup

I'm assuming you meant $100 mil in 2000 dollars
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7/8/2009  11:54 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

This is right around the time Scott Layden would offer him $100 million.

I'm the last guy to defend Layden but Dolan and Checketts would instruct him to add on another $10 million for being a nice guy.
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7/8/2009  12:49 PM
At some point last year you could make claim that Lee was a 10 digit player. Right now after seeing that cap number of 50+ mm for 2010--he better rethink his strategy and start seriously looking at 7-8mm $ or he risks taking only a QO this year[which would be millions less] and then only getting paid an MLE which could drop below 5mm a year. Better think and use projection wisely while the cap is still up. Greed is going to sting these guys who don't sign who can.
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7/8/2009  12:53 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

At some point last year you could make claim that Lee was a 10 digit player. Right now after seeing that cap number of 50+ mm for 2010--he better rethink his strategy and start seriously looking at 7-8mm $ or he risks taking only a QO this year[which would be millions less] and then only getting paid an MLE which could drop below 5mm a year. Better think and use projection wisely while the cap is still up. Greed is going to sting these guys who don't sign who can.
I remember King and some guy named Briggs going on and on and on and on (and sometimes on and on and on and on) about how we were idiots for not extending Lee, how Memphis was going to offer him a front loaded deal, how Portland was going to give him big money, bla bla bla

Looks more and more like the patience man did the right thing again no?

Lee was the best player on a bad team.

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7/8/2009  12:56 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:

At some point last year you could make claim that Lee was a 10 digit player. Right now after seeing that cap number of 50+ mm for 2010--he better rethink his strategy and start seriously looking at 7-8mm $ or he risks taking only a QO this year[which would be millions less] and then only getting paid an MLE which could drop below 5mm a year. Better think and use projection wisely while the cap is still up. Greed is going to sting these guys who don't sign who can.
I remember King and some guy named Briggs going on and on and on and on (and sometimes on and on and on and on) about how we were idiots for not extending Lee, how Memphis was going to offer him a front loaded deal, how Portland was going to give him big money, bla bla bla

Looks more and more like the patience man did the right thing again no?

Lee was the best player on a bad team.

Not only that Lee wanted 10M+ back then as well. His agent also wanted his client extended but for 13M. Donnie said no.

What I will say is I feel more and more those saying we had to deal Lee and Nate at the deadline might have been correct.

We will see how this is handled but it does seem to be a very tricky situation.
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7/8/2009  1:16 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:

At some point last year you could make claim that Lee was a 10 digit player. Right now after seeing that cap number of 50+ mm for 2010--he better rethink his strategy and start seriously looking at 7-8mm $ or he risks taking only a QO this year[which would be millions less] and then only getting paid an MLE which could drop below 5mm a year. Better think and use projection wisely while the cap is still up. Greed is going to sting these guys who don't sign who can.
I remember King and some guy named Briggs going on and on and on and on (and sometimes on and on and on and on) about how we were idiots for not extending Lee, how Memphis was going to offer him a front loaded deal, how Portland was going to give him big money, bla bla bla

Looks more and more like the patience man did the right thing again no?

Lee was the best player on a bad team.

Not only that Lee wanted 10M+ back then as well. His agent also wanted his client extended but for 13M. Donnie said no.

What I will say is I feel more and more those saying we had to deal Lee and Nate at the deadline might have been correct.

We will see how this is handled but it does seem to be a very tricky situation.
Who's gonna trade for an RFA at the deadline? Anyone willing to do that I'm sure would rather do an S & T now so that they can lock up the player long-term.

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7/8/2009  1:18 PM
I'm not sure why anyone is going to give more then 7 mill.
Now if we made the playoffs and won a round base on lee ( like H20) I could see the doors come of the hindges, but your talking about a double double guy on a loosing team, I mean who's dumb enough to entertain this ridiculous price in a recession, with a cap that just drop.
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7/8/2009  1:21 PM
Posted by PresIke:

there is no way, in my mind, that lee is gonna take $6 mil per from any team.

[Edited by - PresIke on 07-08-2009 07:08 AM]

There is one way. See ARIZA.

If we insult DLEE with 6 mil. he'll play for someone elses MLE.
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7/8/2009  1:23 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by PresIke:

there is no way, in my mind, that lee is gonna take $6 mil per from any team.

[Edited by - PresIke on 07-08-2009 07:08 AM]

There is one way. See ARIZA.

If we insult DLEE with 6 mil. he'll play for someone elses MLE.

No, he'll take the QO and enter himself into the 2010 FA class.

No way he locks himself into an MLE anywhere.
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7/8/2009  1:28 PM
Couldn't he take a one year MLE from someone else. and force us to match it.

Thats more dough than a QO. Then again, we'd certainly match it.
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7/8/2009  1:33 PM
Posted by kam77:

Couldn't he take a one year MLE from someone else. and force us to match it.

Thats more dough than a QO. Then again, we'd certainly match it.

he would be giving up his bird's rights if he signs anywhere for less than 3 years.
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7/8/2009  1:34 PM
Posted by kam77:

Couldn't he take a one year MLE from someone else. and force us to match it.

Thats more dough than a QO. Then again, we'd certainly match it.

I hadn't thought about that. I guess an advantage to him of the QO is that it prevents us from trading him mid-season.
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7/8/2009  1:40 PM
Posted by kam77:

Couldn't he take a one year MLE from someone else. and force us to match it.

Thats more dough than a QO. Then again, we'd certainly match it.

If he takes the QO and then gets his 9M+ the following year he will immediately equal 2 years of MLE. As pointed out you have to sign for at least 3 years (I think) to retain bird rights.

So 3 years MLE = 18M versus 1 year QO + 2 years of the new 5 year contract ---- the latter is more lucrative.

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7/8/2009  2:07 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by kam77:

Couldn't he take a one year MLE from someone else. and force us to match it.

Thats more dough than a QO. Then again, we'd certainly match it.

If he takes the QO and then gets his 9M+ the following year he will immediately equal 2 years of MLE. As pointed out you have to sign for at least 3 years (I think) to retain bird rights.

So 3 years MLE = 18M versus 1 year QO + 2 years of the new 5 year contract ---- the latter is more lucrative.

He'll be competing with a much tougher FA class in 2010, though. He'll barely be a top 10 or maybe 15 FA. I don't think teams with cap space will be dipping down to his level.
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7/8/2009  2:13 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

He'll be competing with a much tougher FA class in 2010, though. He'll barely be a top 10 or maybe 15 FA. I don't think teams with cap space will be dipping down to his level.

Well, there are teams that aren't going to land a top FA that summer, one of which might very well be us. Then David Lee will be looked at.

It happens all the time when a team has money, wants to spend it, but just can't get anyone. They end up giving guys like Jalen Rose(CHI) much more money than he's worth because they're running out of options.

When it comes to Lee and he's one of the last to be had teams will no longer try to penny pinch him at 8M they might give him his 9.5M because their options are gone.

We again might be the team that ends up keeping him in 2010 if there is no one else to be had. Although - players who accept a QO are usually on bad terms with their team and they tend to move on. Again, Chicago with Ben Gordon and before that Eddy Curry (who threatened to take the QO and sit out the season) are prime examples of why the QO is just terrible business.
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7/8/2009  2:29 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:

At some point last year you could make claim that Lee was a 10 digit player. Right now after seeing that cap number of 50+ mm for 2010--he better rethink his strategy and start seriously looking at 7-8mm $ or he risks taking only a QO this year[which would be millions less] and then only getting paid an MLE which could drop below 5mm a year. Better think and use projection wisely while the cap is still up. Greed is going to sting these guys who don't sign who can.
I remember King and some guy named Briggs going on and on and on and on (and sometimes on and on and on and on) about how we were idiots for not extending Lee, how Memphis was going to offer him a front loaded deal, how Portland was going to give him big money, bla bla bla

Looks more and more like the patience man did the right thing again no?

Lee was the best player on a bad team.

LOL, so true...
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7/8/2009  2:31 PM
According to an executive whose team is interested in David Lee, Lee's agent Mark Bartelstein is seeking $12 million per season for his client.

Donnie's reaction:

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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7/8/2009  2:35 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by kam77:

Couldn't he take a one year MLE from someone else. and force us to match it.

Thats more dough than a QO. Then again, we'd certainly match it.

If he takes the QO and then gets his 9M+ the following year he will immediately equal 2 years of MLE. As pointed out you have to sign for at least 3 years (I think) to retain bird rights.

So 3 years MLE = 18M versus 1 year QO + 2 years of the new 5 year contract ---- the latter is more lucrative.

I'm thinking we own his bird rights already. Thats my assumption.

So he signs the MLE offer from someone for one year. We then match it. Don't we still continue to hold his bird rights?

And since its not a QO, we can trade him midseason.

Win-Win right? Lee gets some more cash this year than a QO, we retain bird and trade rights.



lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/8/2009  2:46 PM
Lee's Agent must have thought that Scott Layden is still running the show.
With the new cap numbers out and the really low projected cap number next year Lee will be lucky if he is offered 8.5 to 9 Million a year from any other team.
If he cares about more than money it is in his bes tinterest to lock up long term with the knicks on a Back loaded contract.
If he gets greedy... h摀e might have to sign the Qualifying offer when no teams offers him more than 7.5... In which case we might match... So regardless.. he is definitely not in the driver's seat during this negotiating period.

Nate might be stuck at MLE numbers... We'll see
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7/8/2009  2:47 PM
Man I can't believe we going to do the "WWLD"!

"What Would Layden Do"

Ok, first of all Layden would have traded the pick, with an expiring for Michael Finley long ago.

Isiah would have traded Lee for two round picks.....

Grunfeld would have traded Lee and the mobley contract for T-Mac.

Ewing would still be playing.

Scotty Sterling would be angling to bring Marbury back with Iverson and call it "Stallan MarVerson" on broadway!

DLee got a nice offer on the table from us? HE should take it. Stay in NYC, enjoy his supermodel booty, make some nice investments, have a good career and be part of a wonderful existance. He won't be stupidly wealthy, but thats not such a bad thing either.

[Edited by - nalod on 08-07-2009 2:55 PM]
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