Posted by King1:

New York if stopping your guy is defense then you need to look at David defense again because the only guys to kill him were Gasol, Howard, and McDyess now look at the guard that destroyed us. I think that steals are so overrated isnt Stockton the all time leader in steals and he cant guard anyone. In football Troy Vincent was the big ten player of the year and had zero interceptions. I think defense is the whole team and the Knicks defense is horrible

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by BigC:

Duhon played almost 37 mintues a game and did not even get one steal a game. Yet Nate in 29 minutes did 1 steal a game. Who is really not playing defense?

Chris Duhon is slow as hell, hungover, and not a good a defender. But he at least puts in the effort and protects the lanes the best he can. Nate only gets a steal when he gambles and can potentially take off for a high light reel dunk. That's the only time he puts in effort

[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-07-2009 11:58 AM]

Posted by Vmart:

If these two played any ounce of defense teams would be clamoring for their services. We would be worked up to see what we really could get in a S&T. Since no one is showing interest looks like they may not fetch anything in a S&T.

Posted by BigC:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by BigC:

Duhon played almost 37 mintues a game and did not even get one steal a game. Yet Nate in 29 minutes did 1 steal a game. Who is really not playing defense?

Chris Duhon is slow as hell, hungover, and not a good a defender. But he at least puts in the effort and protects the lanes the best he can. Nate only gets a steal when he gambles and can potentially take off for a high light reel dunk. That's the only time he puts in effort

[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-07-2009 11:58 AM]

I don't know. I saw a lot of games where Nate played good on the defensive end. Compare that to Duhon who gives a silly (Guys I need help look) look when he gets beat by his man. You can't average 1.3 steals a game with only playing 29 minutes without putting in effort. Look at how Jarrett Jack went off on Chris Duhon the first time they played against the Knicks. So what did Mike D do the next game? He put Nate Robinson on him the next they played. The Knicks won the game and Jack had 10 points. Nate is no defender but he is not the worst.

Duhon sucks at defending but at least he squares up to his man. It's a crap shoot if Nate will. I hear what you are saying but the example is Jarret Jack who also happened to just step into the starting role that game. Not to mention Jack and Duhon are cousins so maybe the family competition had something to do with it. Which makes some sense because Jack is like Duhon in that he's good for a 5-10 game outburst. He just moved into the starting lineup and his first game as a starter he goes against his cousin. Maybe that drew the best out of Jack the way Nate seems to do somewhat regularly.

And I'm not saying Duhon doesn't suck at defense because he does. He deserves to be mentioned as the worst Knicks defender. But so does Nate and I'm not alone in my opinion.

As for the steals, it's not like the man is picking the other guy's pocket. He isn't Gary Payton or even Derek Harper out there. He's physically gifted and scoops up the other guy's slop when the dribble bounces off the knee and squirts loose. Pringles challenged him to three a game because he is fast enough where if he put in the effort he could have 3x the output

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Oh yeah I forgot about Duhon. How in the world can anyone say that Duhon isn't the worst defender on the team. The coach had to use forwards to guard his man.

Choosing the worst defender on this team is like choosing chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry ice cream.

i still think it all flows down hill from the fact that we have no interior pressence whatsoever. it makes everyone's job tougher.

watch how much better memphis' defense gets this year from having a guy like thabeet holding down the lane. if you have a foundation in the lane, everyone's defensive job gets much easier. i hope hill can be something like that for us. we'll see. he at least looks like a solid shotblocker from the weakside. if that's enough to deter penetration we could be much much better.

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Oh yeah I forgot about Duhon. How in the world can anyone say that Duhon isn't the worst defender on the team. The coach had to use forwards to guard his man.

Choosing the worst defender on this team is like choosing chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry ice cream.

i still think it all flows down hill from the fact that we have no interior pressence whatsoever. it makes everyone's job tougher.

watch how much better memphis' defense gets this year from having a guy like thabeet holding down the lane. if you have a foundation in the lane, everyone's defensive job gets much easier. i hope hill can be something like that for us. we'll see. he at least looks like a solid shotblocker from the weakside. if that's enough to deter penetration we could be much much better.

It's kind of the chicken and the egg... I agree that the interior defense is abysmal, atrocious, or whatever other word for terrible you can think of. If the guards would put the effort in, maybe they'd buy the interior defense enough time to set up and not be exposed over and over again. Hill and Milicic are going to add at least 2 BPG to this team so there should be some deterrent this season (thank God) and I agree that that is necessary. The whole defensive concept is broke though and I prefer to think as team defense in its entirety is terrible rather than the interior defense needs to be better so the perimeter defense is better or vice versa. The entire team needs to lift up their skirts, grab their balls, and get to work