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If We Don't Get Lebron or a Star Player In 2010 Should Walsh and D'Antoni Get Fired?
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7/4/2009  1:24 PM
Posted by Papabear:

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We are putting everything on 2010 and LBJ and we can forget this season. During the season I go to 10 to 12 games. I wonder should I hold back from going to games this year and wait till LBJ gets here in 2010?

NO. Why should the market dictate their firing? Walsh looked at the situation, knew that Isiah's brand of recycling contracts wasn't working, and recognized that it was best if we started over.

Starting over is what we're still doing: Shedding the 2011 contracts and player mistakes. Making us a financially responsible team while acquiring young players as assets and at the same time throwing our hats into the coveted 2010 FA Ring.

Now, if all the big FA's sign extensions with their current teams or go to other teams that's the flow of free agency and there is no reason to fault Walsh for the decisions made by other players.

Please, let us face facts here, you can't look back and say to yourself after a potentially failed 2010 offseason "Oh, we should have kept Zach and Crawford and Marbury and just kept trading our expirings for other players like them and we'd been fine."

Why? Nearly five full seasons proved WHY NOT.

So, No, even a monumental failure to attract a 2010 big name should not be put on their heads. They are doing the right thing here and if we're lucky we will be able to build a very good team using this plan of theirs.

You can't always get what you want but the fact that they are putting us in a position to GET what we want is something they should be applauded for.

I do feel that this is Walsh's last gig and I bet he feels once he's done his job he will quietly step aside into an advisory role but if his plan doesn't work out he doesn't deserve to be flogged for it. He's got a very intelligent and sound plan worked out. Again, just because the FA market might not figure in is not grounds for dismissal. You cannot control what the FAs will eventually desire you can only make yourself appealing to them and hope they agree that this is the place for them to play.

You fault GM's who do risky trades for high salary players hoping they work out and they end up bombing. You can't fault a GM putting himself in position to land a coveted FA only to have that FA stay where he is or choose another team over ours.

This is akin to dumping a woman who was no longer fun to be with, cleaning yourself up, and putting yourself back on the market with a chance to land a new girlfriend. That woman you see at the bar might not like you but you tried. You shouldn't be trashed if she decides to go out with someone else.
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7/4/2009  1:26 PM
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear

We are putting everything on 2010 and LBJ and we can forget this season. During the season I go to 10 to 12 games. I wonder should I hold back from going to games this year and wait till LBJ gets here in 2010?

You forgot the "says". Getting rusty?

Now, we're not putting our franchise in the hands of the chance to land LeBron - or - we're cursed forever and should have extended Crawford and Zach to max contracts. Okay?

What we have done I have outlined in my post above so no need to repeat it.
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7/4/2009  1:29 PM
Answer to thread title: No.

Also, we may not get Lebron, but we will get somebody. Why so doomy and gloomy?

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7/4/2009  1:32 PM
Nah they shouldn't be fired. Rome wasn't built in a day. 2010 is just a plan and Walsh is still focused on it. I know for a fact Knicks will sign someone whether it is Lebron or not. I'm betting on Lebron. If no superstar is signed in 2010 then the plan is a bust and move on to 2011. It is not the end of the world, I like Walsh's experience and he will leave a good foundation with the team before his successor whoever that is takes over.
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7/4/2009  1:39 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear

We are putting everything on 2010 and LBJ and we can forget this season. During the season I go to 10 to 12 games. I wonder should I hold back from going to games this year and wait till LBJ gets here in 2010?

You forgot the "says". Getting rusty?

Now, we're not putting our franchise in the hands of the chance to land LeBron - or - we're cursed forever and should have extended Crawford and Zach to max contracts. Okay?

What we have done I have outlined in my post above so no need to repeat it.

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7/4/2009  2:56 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's not D'Antoni's job to sign FAs. He shouldn't even be included in the question IMO.

why not he's requesting the players or in a sense agreeing to the players being moved or aquired. It was evident from day one that MDA would be involve in player movement. IMO i think they both are going to make there mark in NY tremendously, there was no where to go but up, i mean we won 23 games when they came in.
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7/4/2009  3:08 PM
Martin - where teh hell is the ignore Papabear function!?
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7/4/2009  3:34 PM
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7/4/2009  4:33 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear

We are putting everything on 2010 and LBJ and we can forget this season. During the season I go to 10 to 12 games. I wonder should I hold back from going to games this year and wait till LBJ gets here in 2010?

The only people who are putting this "all or nothing" into LeBron are the fans like yourself. LeBron is obviously the jewel of 2010 but he's not the only guy available and the flexibility of being under the salary cap is the much more important thing.

agreed nyk... the ones who put all their eggs into the Lebron basket are the naysayers who scoff at the idea of freeing up cap space in 2010 & want to instead follow along the path we were on before Walsh got here by going after overpaid stat padding type players who don't contribute to winning basketball... cap flexibility gives u options, options we don't have if we have players like Zach Randolph, Eddy Curry & Jared Fishlips taking up payroll.
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7/4/2009  4:55 PM
papa, do what donnie and I will be doing this season - lots of naps.
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7/4/2009  7:57 PM
I think it is nice to not have the dysfunction that was present during Isiah but I think once Walsh went with D' the plan would never include the Knicks winning a championship. My money is on the Knicks getting Amare next year. I don't think Wade is leaving Miami, I don't think LBJ is leaving Cleveland and if he does he goes to another team it will not be the Knicks. I think the Knicks were such a mess that Walsh needs to be given credit for at least straightening things out and having a vision for the team. I don't think I would fire Walsh but I am all for getting a coach that coaches defense and would support that move right now.
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7/5/2009  12:59 AM
MDA gets evaluated based on the players he coaches.

Donnie Gets 3 years to remake the roster.

year 1 has been a success.

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7/5/2009  12:51 PM
as soon as the knicks sign some free agents in 2010, all these young players will be shipped out asap...
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7/5/2009  12:58 PM
Yes so somebody with an actual plan of action and a coach who can develop young talent can get in here and take ny into the next decade of basketball with an actual shot at winning
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7/5/2009  1:02 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

as soon as the knicks sign some free agents in 2010, all these young players will be shipped out asap...
There's nothing inherently wonderful about young players (in any sport). If we can get better veterans who still have significant time left in the league, that's fine with me. Teams that need financial help will give up the better player in order to get someone on a rookie contract. Once we get our FAs, we don't need to be concerned with *staying* under the cap. You still want guys with reasonable contracts but we don't have be concerned with every single penny like we are now.
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7/5/2009  1:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

as soon as the knicks sign some free agents in 2010, all these young players will be shipped out asap...
There's nothing inherently wonderful about young players (in any sport). If we can get better veterans who still have significant time left in the league, that's fine with me. Teams that need financial help will give up the better player in order to get someone on a rookie contract. Once we get our FAs, we don't need to be concerned with *staying* under the cap. You still want guys with reasonable contracts but we don't have be concerned with every single penny like we are now.
The longer the window you have to compete the better your odds at winning a title. longevity is the key
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7/5/2009  1:21 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

as soon as the knicks sign some free agents in 2010, all these young players will be shipped out asap...
There's nothing inherently wonderful about young players (in any sport). If we can get better veterans who still have significant time left in the league, that's fine with me. Teams that need financial help will give up the better player in order to get someone on a rookie contract. Once we get our FAs, we don't need to be concerned with *staying* under the cap. You still want guys with reasonable contracts but we don't have be concerned with every single penny like we are now.
The longer the window you have to compete the better your odds at winning a title. longevity is the key
Well longevity (i.e., youth) is one of many factors. It's important but overvalued by most fans IMO, especially when it's a player your organization drafted and developed because fans become attached to the "kid" then.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-05-2009 1:21 PM]
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7/5/2009  2:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

as soon as the knicks sign some free agents in 2010, all these young players will be shipped out asap...
There's nothing inherently wonderful about young players (in any sport). If we can get better veterans who still have significant time left in the league, that's fine with me. Teams that need financial help will give up the better player in order to get someone on a rookie contract. Once we get our FAs, we don't need to be concerned with *staying* under the cap. You still want guys with reasonable contracts but we don't have be concerned with every single penny like we are now.

But then no one wants veterans unless he's willing to take minimum wage. You guys can't make up your minds one minute young players is the direction you want and the next it's veterans make up your mind!
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7/5/2009  2:36 PM
A plan with so many what ifs and supposeds really isn't that good of a plan. This is like when isiah said the plan was to get young and more athletic. Well ok, Then what? Now the plan is to have max capspace. There are several teams with the same plan. Who is the capspace going to play with?

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-05-2009 2:44 PM]
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7/5/2009  2:46 PM
Posted by McK1:

A plan with so many what ifs and supposeds really isn't that good of a plan.
Life involves "what if"s; you can't avoid them. The difference between a good and a bad plan is whether or not there are good or bad solutions to each "what if." There are good solutions to the "what if"s when the plan is to have cap space and reasonably paid players. There are poor solutions to the "what if"s when the plan is to keep Zach, Jamal, an overpaid Lee, Eddy, and company.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-05-2009 2:46 PM]
If We Don't Get Lebron or a Star Player In 2010 Should Walsh and D'Antoni Get Fired?

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