Posted by PresIke:
Posted by BRIGGS:
[quote]Posted by PresIke:
haha...25-40k?
compare that to what jennings made last year.
sorry, not even close.
and how much are the schools making?
and what about the negative effects of things like what happened with rose and mayo?
the money is out there, but the players aren't getting it. and even if lower pro-players don't get as much, at least give them the option like the rest of the working world, to get paid for their work in real money.
why do baseball players not have to go to college? what about pro-soccer players around the world?
the window for an athlete to earn money from their ability is short, so why play for free? most don't even finish their education now-a-days, making the scholarships even less valuable.
but if you want to play that way, then why not just pay the players money?
why do you have to be a full-time post-secondary level student to become a pro-basketball player (or perhaps even worse, a pro-football player, since their careers are even shorter)?
also, regular students are there to get their degree for whatever it is they want to do (supposedly, although we know this doesn't happen as most people are conditioned to think they have to go to college immediately after high school) but basketball players not only have to do all of the school work other students do -- meaning they are supposed to be held to the same standards -- but also spend a huge amount of their time focused on playing the sport, which is what most are focused on to be there real profession.
it really makes no sense for pro-sports players to go to college.
if i told you that if you wanted to enter any other profession and told you your only option would be to go to school for free for a degree that isn't even going to directly help you in your professional interests immediately following school, and earn zero money, what would you think of that?
sound fair?
only if you aren't seeing it from the prospective of a person who is a viable pro-athlete.
also, if we got rid of silly high level college athletics, young players could earn more money, nba teams could have a real development system that could be specifically catered to their own organizational interests, allowing for years of development under their wing, rather than a college who only seeks to keep their own fan base happy and ensure that they are constantly hyped as a top school for athletes, which may not fit the needs of pro-teams.
we can see that clearly happening already.
briggs, sorry, you are WAAAAAAYY off-base here.
[Edited by - PresIke on 07-04-2009 1:54 PM]
[Edited by - PresIke on 07-04-2009 1:55 PM]
[Edited by - PresIke on 07-04-2009 1:55 PM]
[Edited by - PresIke on 07-04-2009 2:06 PM]
I don't think you get it. What does a solider get for serving his country and risking his life? He doesnt even get what an athlete does for playing a sport in college. The upper echelon stars of amateur sports pave the way for everyone to get scholarships. And remember we are talking amateur--if you want to be a pro go do what Jennings did--you have that right. For an amateur to get a free ride to college is an absolute privilege and great compensation. Everything in life cannot be quantified in fiscal benefit. There are certain intangibles of college that have a huge intrinsic value that cannot be measured in dollars. People whop bring up the issue of whether some amateur players should be paid truly are naive.
using the soldier/military comparison -- which also tends to exploit the least well off and educated (look at what the makeup is of who joins the military...it's mostlty the poorest and least educated) -- does not justify the system at all. if i said, well, slavery is legal somewhere else then therefore it must be okay would that be an acceptable way to justify it? i'm not saying this is slavery per say, but it sure is not the same as other work. again, what other legit examples are there of this? none. no other job asks this of its future workers.
not everyone who works in the military is not getting paid. actually, i believe they all get paid. some do get money for a degree but most are just using the military as a way to get a degree for some other future interest, not a lifelong military career.
some remain lifers, but not all.
how come universities around the world, widely reputed like oxford, cambridge, etc do not rely on college athletics to function and help others? why is it the responsiblity of potential pro athletes to carry the economic weight for other students?
sorry bro, with all due respect, it is you who still don't get it.
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Why do you bring up slavery every time you get criticized--it's like your fall back argument when you don't have a cogent retort.
-->again, most pro-caliber basketball players don't go to college, as their primary reason, for a college degree to work in another profession.
i challenge you to actually think like one of these people, because clearly you aren't.
Sorry you are talking about a one in a million person--I don't get that deep about such a small % of the population. Most people couldnt even conceive of playing a pro sport in reality.
-->actually, the problem is also that we put too many people in college who don't really want to be there or are not ready for it.
The last time I checked it's a free country. If you don't want to go to college--you don't have.
to.
By the way I brought up the military comparison for a good reason. The few athletes who do generate the income to make scholarships new campus facilities etc... available for the tens of thousands who can't make a very small sacrifice. They certainly don't put their lives at risk--but they do benefit from a free education and college experience if they wish to. The few athletes who make the sport work have God-given abilities are giving back to the whole is a just and needed cause. Your argument is based on elite individuals who honestly don't need you on their side.
