Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

The Knicks fans don't know what they want. They want to throw David Lee under the bus. Like I said before we ain't getting Lebron James and I really doubt that we get any of the 2010 superstars to come to New York.

papa - i agree with that wholeheartedly...

We don't deserve nuffin. Look at how we treated poor D.Lee and now he's lost.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by djsunyc:

it's funny - knicks fans keep talking about rebuilding and drafting players. you finally get a player you drafted that puts up a double double and many of you can't wait to get rid of him b/c of this mythical unicorn promised in 2010. it's hypocrisy.

What good is his double doouble when he doesn't play any Defense. Far as I'm concerned Jordan Hill probably get close to a double double this coming year and he may give better defensive effort.

Exactly.

Losing Lee for nothing would not be ideal. We need to get some value back for him. Let's hope other teams show interest that are winners and he has no interest in signing with losers with cap space. That's our only hope. If a good team like Denver or Portland gets seriously interested, I know he would jump at the chance to join him and we could snatch someone like a Kleiza or Outlaw from them.

jump at the chance to get kleiza and outlaw and then do what...b/c you have to re-sign them, they are restricted free agents and all knicks fans don't want anybody until santa comes to town in 2010.

You can trade them again during the season.

I don't understand what your line of thinking is but Lee is not worth big money and certainly not worth wasting salary cap space on when bigger and better free agents will be available 1 year from now. We have spent 14 years over the cap. We need cap space. Lee isn't deserving of that huge chunk of cap space. Maybe it could work if Eddy Curry wasn't on the roster. But he is and he isn't going anywhere. So Lee cannot be here. It's not about Santa or a dream. It's about having the money to go out and sign any player you want. Anything can happen in free agency and I'd rather take my chance in that then throw money down the toilet so I can overpay David Lee because he's a good rebounder.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 06-30-2009 10:15 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

it's funny - knicks fans keep talking about rebuilding and drafting players. you finally get a player you drafted that puts up a double double and many of you can't wait to get rid of him b/c of this mythical unicorn promised in 2010. it's hypocrisy.

I'm not sure I agree with how DW handled the Lee situation, BUT having free cap space, in one of the best free agent class in history, with Mike D'Antoni, and for the NY Knicks is not a phantom thing. That is real power.

Posted by djsunyc:

my line of thinking is simple - knicks fans are always chasing something they may never get. and they will downtalk anything about the team that's actually decent or good. lee is a good player. if he's as bad as so many on this forum make him out to be, then why do so many good playoff teams want him? that's why i made the "no lebron" poll...b/c if you don't get lebron, then it cost the team lee.

Slow down, man. No one said he was "bad"! He's just not *great* enough to compromise the 2010 plan for. He's roughly a top 15 or to 20 PF in the league. That means he's a nice player but nothing special.

I will tell you what is asinine--believing that Jordan Hill is going to walk in and put up 16-12 in year 1. Have your wet dream there boys. If you don't believe what Im saying go find a tape of AZ last game of the season. Im not saying Jordan Hill is a bad pick but to suggest he is going to be a to be a 17-10 player out of the gate is not likely at all

Once David Lee leaves an in shape Curry becomes the best post player and that is not likely that he will be in shape. Face it David Lee is a fundamental foundation player of a team. He is no star but he is a rock a guy who surrounded by the right players can help a team win. Is it David Lee's fault that we acquire sht players to go around him? Nope Good luck Lee I will be rooting for you as a pure Knick fan who understands what you bring.

If we lose David Lee for nothing--I will begin to utter get Walsh out of here chants because that is NOT an acceptable outcome. You don't give players like David Lee away--hes a Knick for crying outloud.

Posted by djsunyc:

my line of thinking is simple - knicks fans are always chasing something they may never get. and they will downtalk anything about the team that's actually decent or good. lee is a good player. if he's as bad as so many on this forum make him out to be, then why do so many good playoff teams want him? that's why i made the "no lebron" poll...b/c if you don't get lebron, then it cost the team lee.

It not about Lee its not about LeBRon its about having a plan of action. The Knicks have to shoot for max cap space. You don't want 2010 to come and be left with a giant what if because they gave Lee a contract and were somehow unable to dump Eddy and Jefferies. we will all miss Lee, but its definitely not the end of the Knicks.

Posted by BRIGGS:

I will tell you what is asinine--believing that Jordan Hill is going to walk in and put up 16-12 in year 1. Have your wet dream there boys. If you don't believe what Im saying go find a tape of AZ last game of the season. Im not saying Jordan Hill is a bad pick but to suggest he is going to be a to be a 17-10 player out of the gate is not likely at all

who the heck said Hill was gonna put up those numbers in year 1?

Once David Lee leaves an in shape Curry becomes the best post player and that is not likely that he will be in shape. Face it David Lee is a fundamental foundation player of a team. He is no star but he is a rock a guy who surrounded by the right players can help a team win. Is it David Lee's fault that we acquire sht players to go around him? Nope Good luck Lee I will be rooting for you as a pure Knick fan who understands what you bring.

If we lose David Lee for nothing--I will begin to utter get Walsh out of here chants because that is NOT an acceptable outcome. You don't give players like David Lee away--hes a Knick for crying outloud.

the "he's a Knick" stuff is ridiculous, but the rest is on point... u don't give up your best trade assets away for nothing in return... this is definitely not an acceptable outcome.

you knicks fans that will be crying when lee leaves, makes me laugh. You act as if the dude is a superstar player. He was a role player for godsake.

All he could do is rebound.. he does not play both ends of the floor...

He's more athletic troy murphy... He can be replaced..

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by GKFv2:

He's a role player. Lee leaving wont be as if Patrick Ewing is leaving the franchise. Another team would want him because he's a good role player. He will rebound, score off the pick and roll and off some garbage buckets. He's a starter on a bad team, a backup on a good-great one. That's not worth $10 million a season to me. An it certainly isn't worth jeopardizing even the 1% chance at LeBron/any other big free agent you think we have.

Knicks fans don't chase anyone out. In fact, a lot of them fall in love with crap players like Channing Frye (calling him the next Duncan and refusing to deal him for KG) and Renaldo Balkman. Do Knicks fans sour on players? Yes. But the player is gonna have to do something consistently bad for him to be not wanted. His defense has been consistently bad. I would resign him on his team for $7 million if we didn't have Jeffries or Curry. Too bad we do. I would like to get something back for Lee but I wont cry about it either.

lol - you would give him $7 mil starting and not $8.5? $10 mil is not what they get every year - $10 mil is the average. so a starting salary of $7 actually ballons up to $10+ when it's done. that $1.5 mil is reason enough to let him walk? really?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-30-2009 10:27 PM]

The guy wants a deal starting at $10 million and ballooning up to more than that per year. And I wouldn't care about an extra $1.5 million but I'm not resigning him with Curry and Jeffries still on the roster and no guarantee that either get traded.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by GKFv2:

He's a role player. Lee leaving wont be as if Patrick Ewing is leaving the franchise. Another team would want him because he's a good role player. He will rebound, score off the pick and roll and off some garbage buckets. He's a starter on a bad team, a backup on a good-great one. That's not worth $10 million a season to me. An it certainly isn't worth jeopardizing even the 1% chance at LeBron you think we have.

Knicks fans don't chase anyone out. In fact, a lot of them fall in love with crap players like Channing Frye (calling him the next Duncan and refusing to deal him for KG) and Renaldo Balkman. Do Knicks fans sour on players? Yes. But the player is gonna have to do something consistently bad for him to be not wanted. His defense has been consistently bad. I would resign him on his team for $7 million if we didn't have Jeffries or Curry. Too bad we do. I would like to get something back for Lee but I wont cry about it either.

What role player averaged 16 points and 12 rebounds in the history of the nBA--good luck staying up all night trying to find one. You think all Knicks stink anyway

Shareef abdur-rahim? Charles Smith? There have been plenty of guys who put up 16/12 or 18/10 or 20/9 on bad teams and are nothing more than role players on good teams. You need to stop obsessing with two stats. You did this with Eddy too when you kept calling him a 24/8 franchise player.

The only reason why Eddy Curry is not a franchise player is because Eddy Curry is a mental midget and doesnt care about basketball. Its not the talent--heck I was the absolute biggest critic of that trade--we gave away what amounts to three high draft picks for a player C was trying to retire/ How that happened--only Isiah the trading idiot knows.