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Posted by misterearl:

Teams the worked out McNeal include:

Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Charlotte Bobcats, Oklahoma City, Houston, Washington, Detroit, Miami, Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento and Milwaukee.

He went undrafted. You do the math.

Thats the way it is for a 6-2 combo guard. Either you have amazing athletic ability like a Ben Gordon with a bullseye jumpshot or your either a second round/undrafted.

Look at the two combo guards taken before Douglas Teague and Beaubois --both process elite athletic ability. Next one after Douglas off the board is McClinton who is a bullseye shooter@51. Not to many small combo guards even drafted--beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Do we have any idea if Douglas drops to 45-55 if not taken by the Knicks? I do know that if he wasnt taken by the Knicks he wasnt going to be a first round draft pick--we know that as absolute.

For 4 million he has a lot to prove--thats what Im saying. Im not rooting against him.

The Knicks just used their resources to pick the play they wanted and you are finding fault. I can't believe that. What's the difference to the organization or the fans if Douglas was picked 29th or 37th? Nada. Maybe $300K in salary against the cap?

So what's the biggie? They didn't pick a player who YOU think was better in Jerel? There were a TON of people who do this for a living who were calling Douglas a late first round pick.

What's the down side for not picking the player you want with the 29th and trying to see if you can buy a later 2nd rounder that may not be there? Missing out completely. So why not take the player?

Posted by misterearl:

AM - Do we have any idea if Michael Jackson were a healthy heterosexual male, if he would have tapped Jessica Alba and Halle Berry in the same night?

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Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by misterearl:

Teams the worked out McNeal include:

Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Charlotte Bobcats, Oklahoma City, Houston, Washington, Detroit, Miami, Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento and Milwaukee.

He went undrafted. You do the math.

Thats the way it is for a 6-2 combo guard. Either you have amazing athletic ability like a Ben Gordon with a bullseye jumpshot or your either a second round/undrafted.

Look at the two combo guards taken before Douglas Teague and Beaubois --both process elite athletic ability. Next one after Douglas off the board is McClinton who is a bullseye shooter@51. Not to many small combo guards even drafted--beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Do we have any idea if Douglas drops to 45-55 if not taken by the Knicks? I do know that if he wasnt taken by the Knicks he wasnt going to be a first round draft pick--we know that as absolute.

For 4 million he has a lot to prove--thats what Im saying. Im not rooting against him.

The Knicks just used their resources to pick the play they wanted and you are finding fault. I can't believe that. What's the difference to the organization or the fans if Douglas was picked 29th or 37th? Nada. Maybe $300K in salary against the cap?

So what's the biggie? They didn't pick a player who YOU think was better in Jerel? There were a TON of people who do this for a living who were calling Douglas a late first round pick.

What's the down side for not picking the player you want with the 29th and trying to see if you can buy a later 2nd rounder that may not be there? Missing out completely. So why not take the player?

I wouldnt have picked him--I wouldve taken Dejuan Blair. Lets see who is the superior player. My point is 6-2 combo guards can be had very late in the draft or perhaps not drafted at all and we didnt take the BPA and the money was not spent wisely.

If people who do this for a living would like to bet me who is going to be a better NBA basketball player Dejaun Blair or Toney Douglas--let me know .


Any takes on Blair versus Douglas? Do the math and watch and learn.

Hill, Lee, Harrington, Gallo, JJ, Chandler. Blair was not a good fit for Knicks. End of story.

We did take the BPA for the Knicks and it was money spent wisely.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by misterearl:

Teams the worked out McNeal include:

Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Charlotte Bobcats, Oklahoma City, Houston, Washington, Detroit, Miami, Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento and Milwaukee.

He went undrafted. You do the math.

Thats the way it is for a 6-2 combo guard. Either you have amazing athletic ability like a Ben Gordon with a bullseye jumpshot or your either a second round/undrafted.

Look at the two combo guards taken before Douglas Teague and Beaubois --both process elite athletic ability. Next one after Douglas off the board is McClinton who is a bullseye shooter@51. Not to many small combo guards even drafted--beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Do we have any idea if Douglas drops to 45-55 if not taken by the Knicks? I do know that if he wasnt taken by the Knicks he wasnt going to be a first round draft pick--we know that as absolute.

For 4 million he has a lot to prove--thats what Im saying. Im not rooting against him.

Knicks had McClinton in twice. I think that they were bluffing with him, and did not want to play Douglas up too much a la Curry. McClinton is too small to play the defense Walsh is looking for- and this is probably what Walsh found out when he had McClinton come in to play Holiday shortly before the draft. Walsh was pretty honest about what he was looking for, actually- a two way player, and he seemingly got one of the better perimeter D guards in the draft who is also a nice offensive player, even though he does not exhibit the over the rim game some people think is a prerequisite to being a good player in the NBA.

He had good Combine #'s though- the best sprint time, great lateral movement, as well as being the strongest PG tested. Add this to the fact that he has a pretty diverse offensive game and a desire to play D, and you have a nice pick-up at 29. Seem to recall that one of the Detroit people said they were surprised that Douglas was not picked in the early 20's, and for all we know the Knicks might have taken him that low based on their board. The only guys from 20-28 I liked were Collison and Ellington, (I knew Derrick Brown was no possiblity after Hill was taken), but who knows how the Knicks rated them.

I am going to wait to make comparisons with other players until I see him actually play- YouTube highlight reels are so deceptive- but his "penetrate the perimeter" inside the foul line pull up jumper game reminds me of someone- I just have to see whether the highlights I watched can be duplicated in the NBA.

I am going to trust Walsh and MDA on this pick- he even went as far as to say he would have traded out of the pick if Douglas had not been there- since they thought so highly of him.

Only time will tell.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-01-2009 11:52 AM]

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Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by misterearl:

Teams the worked out McNeal include:

Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Charlotte Bobcats, Oklahoma City, Houston, Washington, Detroit, Miami, Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento and Milwaukee.

He went undrafted. You do the math.

Thats the way it is for a 6-2 combo guard. Either you have amazing athletic ability like a Ben Gordon with a bullseye jumpshot or your either a second round/undrafted.

Look at the two combo guards taken before Douglas Teague and Beaubois --both process elite athletic ability. Next one after Douglas off the board is McClinton who is a bullseye shooter@51. Not to many small combo guards even drafted--beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Do we have any idea if Douglas drops to 45-55 if not taken by the Knicks? I do know that if he wasnt taken by the Knicks he wasnt going to be a first round draft pick--we know that as absolute.

For 4 million he has a lot to prove--thats what Im saying. Im not rooting against him.

The Knicks just used their resources to pick the play they wanted and you are finding fault. I can't believe that. What's the difference to the organization or the fans if Douglas was picked 29th or 37th? Nada. Maybe $300K in salary against the cap?

So what's the biggie? They didn't pick a player who YOU think was better in Jerel? There were a TON of people who do this for a living who were calling Douglas a late first round pick.

What's the down side for not picking the player you want with the 29th and trying to see if you can buy a later 2nd rounder that may not be there? Missing out completely. So why not take the player?

I wouldnt have picked him--I wouldve taken Dejuan Blair. Lets see who is the superior player. My point is 6-2 combo guards can be had very late in the draft or perhaps not drafted at all and we didnt take the BPA and the money was not spent wisely.

If people who do this for a living would like to bet me who is going to be a better NBA basketball player Dejaun Blair or Toney Douglas--let me know .


Any takes on Blair versus Douglas? Do the math and watch and learn.

well I guess the same can be said for undersized, fat, big men, I guess that is why blair went so late and into the second round.. right briggs?

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Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by misterearl:

Teams the worked out McNeal include:

Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Charlotte Bobcats, Oklahoma City, Houston, Washington, Detroit, Miami, Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento and Milwaukee.

He went undrafted. You do the math.

Thats the way it is for a 6-2 combo guard. Either you have amazing athletic ability like a Ben Gordon with a bullseye jumpshot or your either a second round/undrafted.

Look at the two combo guards taken before Douglas Teague and Beaubois --both process elite athletic ability. Next one after Douglas off the board is McClinton who is a bullseye shooter@51. Not to many small combo guards even drafted--beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Do we have any idea if Douglas drops to 45-55 if not taken by the Knicks? I do know that if he wasnt taken by the Knicks he wasnt going to be a first round draft pick--we know that as absolute.

For 4 million he has a lot to prove--thats what Im saying. Im not rooting against him.

The Knicks just used their resources to pick the play they wanted and you are finding fault. I can't believe that. What's the difference to the organization or the fans if Douglas was picked 29th or 37th? Nada. Maybe $300K in salary against the cap?

So what's the biggie? They didn't pick a player who YOU think was better in Jerel? There were a TON of people who do this for a living who were calling Douglas a late first round pick.

What's the down side for not picking the player you want with the 29th and trying to see if you can buy a later 2nd rounder that may not be there? Missing out completely. So why not take the player?

I wouldnt have picked him--I wouldve taken Dejuan Blair. Lets see who is the superior player. My point is 6-2 combo guards can be had very late in the draft or perhaps not drafted at all and we didnt take the BPA and the money was not spent wisely.

If people who do this for a living would like to bet me who is going to be a better NBA basketball player Dejaun Blair or Toney Douglas--let me know .


Any takes on Blair versus Douglas? Do the math and watch and learn.

The answer is simple. Blair will definitely be better if his knee can take the pounding. If not, Douglas.

Other factors that you have to consider - desire, intensity, the ability to perform under pressure, and the desire to win. Douglas gets high marks on all of these.

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Posted by Ira:

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Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by misterearl:

Teams the worked out McNeal include:

Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Charlotte Bobcats, Oklahoma City, Houston, Washington, Detroit, Miami, Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento and Milwaukee.

He went undrafted. You do the math.

Thats the way it is for a 6-2 combo guard. Either you have amazing athletic ability like a Ben Gordon with a bullseye jumpshot or your either a second round/undrafted.

Look at the two combo guards taken before Douglas Teague and Beaubois --both process elite athletic ability. Next one after Douglas off the board is McClinton who is a bullseye shooter@51. Not to many small combo guards even drafted--beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Do we have any idea if Douglas drops to 45-55 if not taken by the Knicks? I do know that if he wasnt taken by the Knicks he wasnt going to be a first round draft pick--we know that as absolute.

For 4 million he has a lot to prove--thats what Im saying. Im not rooting against him.

The Knicks just used their resources to pick the play they wanted and you are finding fault. I can't believe that. What's the difference to the organization or the fans if Douglas was picked 29th or 37th? Nada. Maybe $300K in salary against the cap?

So what's the biggie? They didn't pick a player who YOU think was better in Jerel? There were a TON of people who do this for a living who were calling Douglas a late first round pick.

What's the down side for not picking the player you want with the 29th and trying to see if you can buy a later 2nd rounder that may not be there? Missing out completely. So why not take the player?

I wouldnt have picked him--I wouldve taken Dejuan Blair. Lets see who is the superior player. My point is 6-2 combo guards can be had very late in the draft or perhaps not drafted at all and we didnt take the BPA and the money was not spent wisely.

If people who do this for a living would like to bet me who is going to be a better NBA basketball player Dejaun Blair or Toney Douglas--let me know .


Any takes on Blair versus Douglas? Do the math and watch and learn.

The answer is simple. Blair will definitely be better if his knee can take the pounding. If not, Douglas.

----> Other factors that you have to consider - desire, intensity, the ability to perform under pressure, and the desire to win.


My guess is you never watched Pittsburgh play for one second in the last two years then.